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morgwar

morgwar

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FluffsTravels said:
One of my Copper Chem keepers (A2) on it's 3rd run. It has between 7 to 14 days left. It took 78 days the first time but only 74 the second run. It's gotten better with each successive run, and it is now moved into second place as far as my Copper Chem keepers are concerned. Vigorous, high resin, high yield, great odor and strong effects. One patient said;
A2
Fantastic
Looks and smells like new pussy
Grapes, Grape meaning it had a fruity-ier smell. NO FUEL
Like Flint stone vitamins maybe
Tastes exotic, unique
Spacey buzz laughing all night

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Love the descriptions, those are some Happy girls. I picked the sweet smelling expression too. No gas, just cotton candy/vanilla and a freshly showered XXXX more to the latter. Almost as many trichs on the leaves as on the bud.
 
Fibromyoucha

Fibromyoucha

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FluffsTravels said:
One of my Copper Chem keepers (A2) on it's 3rd run. It has between 7 to 14 days left. It took 78 days the first time but only 74 the second run. It's gotten better with each successive run, and it is now moved into second place as far as my Copper Chem keepers are concerned. Vigorous, high resin, high yield, great odor and strong effects. One patient said;
A2
Fantastic
Looks and smells like new pussy
Grapes, Grape meaning it had a fruity-ier smell. NO FUEL
Like Flint stone vitamins maybe
Tastes exotic, unique
Spacey buzz laughing all night

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That looks like almost a replica.of the animal cookis x triangle kushy tester pics that just posted
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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durbanblue said:
It was grower error. Even the best have issues at some stage, look at all the elites cuts available. Just take it on the chin and move on.
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Is it reasonable to expect a poly-hybrid pollen chuck to be consistent and stable?

Hell I was reading a description by a breeder where he freely admitted that his seeds throw balls on lower branches during early flower and they don't come back after being plucked. Truth in advertising! Who woulda thunk it???

Is it reasonable to expect growers to have a perfect environment and make zero mistakes?

The real problem lies with expectations. We all know "breeders" who don't pheno hunt a damn thing. They just acquire a couple of well-known cuts, reverse one, and viola - a new strain is born! Whether that's good or bad depends on expectations.

In an ideal world, prices would reflect the amount of effort required, but we all know this isn't an ideal world.
If something bad happens, just blame the grower... :dunce:
 
durbanblue

durbanblue

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Chunky Stool said:
Is it reasonable to expect a poly-hybrid pollen chuck to be consistent and stable?

Hell I was reading a description by a breeder where he freely admitted that his seeds throw balls on lower branches during early flower and they don't come back after being plucked. Truth in advertising! Who woulda thunk it???

Is it reasonable to expect growers to have a perfect environment and make zero mistakes?

The real problem lies with expectations. We all know "breeders" who don't pheno hunt a damn thing. They just acquire a couple of well-known cuts, reverse one, and viola - a new strain is born! Whether that's good or bad depends on expectations.

In an ideal world, prices would reflect the amount of effort required, but we all know this isn't an ideal world.
If something bad happens, just blame the grower... :dunce:
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I am under no illusions that genetics plays a huge part in a hermi, but the op is running a commercial grow from seed. Grower error.
 
bobrown14

bobrown14

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Why wood anyone run a commercial grow from seed if its like bigger than a 15x20 room?

I used to run a lot of clones. Got tired of the same old same old. Started popping from my seed vault that is extensive. This past year has been all seed runs.

I've gotten a few hermies almost every one was my fault. Not watering soon enough telling the plants its about to be drought and a few hermies. Ran the seeds from them - water thing automated and no hermies.

Anecdotal - yes

I think the single most contributing factor to hermies is environment. The hermie trait is there already in the genetics. Been there for 10s of thousands of years. How does that recessive trait turn on.... that's the big question. And why only a few flowers why not the whole plant.

This summer I saw a female plant (fem seeds) and ID'd as a fem before putting outside to grow out she not only started growing balls but there were no flowers at all. Flip from FEM to MALE?? I could have mis-identified but doubt it. Was a lot of work to dig big ass holes in the ground in the woods and plant my patch.
 
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Dad223

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I don’t know a single commercial operation personally that solely relies on seeds for production. All have mother rooms and take clones for a lower over head.

For introduction of new cultivars; what they ALSO have (if space allows) are designated areas to bring in new genetics OR stress test cultivars OR for their own breeding projects OR even to quarantine incoming clones from an offsite vendor.

This isn’t even debatable. The hermaphrodite trait is a genome and an undesirable one at that.

Growers run cultivars through these designated areas.

If they find an undesirable trait (not limited to intersex genes) they discard it and (some) make a note to report and inform other growers to steer clear of this specific strain and/or breeder or at the very least to proceed with extreme caution. It’s called mutual respect.

If you like unstable pollen chucked hermaphrodite prone seeds, that’s fine. 100% fine. But you DO NOT speak for commercial operators.
 
SwampYankee

SwampYankee

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bobrown14 said:
Why wood anyone run a commercial grow from seed if its like bigger than a 15x20 room?

I used to run a lot of clones. Got tired of the same old same old. Started popping from my seed vault that is extensive. This past year has been all seed runs.

I've gotten a few hermies almost every one was my fault. Not watering soon enough telling the plants its about to be drought and a few hermies. Ran the seeds from them - water thing automated and no hermies.

Anecdotal - yes

I think the single most contributing factor to hermies is environment. The hermie trait is there already in the genetics. Been there for 10s of thousands of years. How does that recessive trait turn on.... that's the big question. And why only a few flowers why not the whole plant.

This summer I saw a female plant (fem seeds) and ID'd as a fem before putting outside to grow out she not only started growing balls but there were no flowers at all. Flip from FEM to MALE?? I could have mis-identified but doubt it. Was a lot of work to dig big ass holes in the ground in the woods and plant my patch.
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Had my purple chem and purple crash throw a single set of balls each. Sadly only caught one before it opened. Hopefully my last 3 months werent a waste but at week 5 Ill probably keep chugging unless pollination was widespread.
Im in the same boat as you, I have herms but I had enough issues with my environment that I cannot go to genetics alone to blame if Im being honest.
Between my couple of nights at 55 degrees and a blue light on a fan I didnt catch until week 2 flower I am ready to shoulder the blame
 
durbanblue

durbanblue

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Every environment is different and it can take a small thing to set the plant off on a road to throw balls. A lot of the time it is grower error, no matter how small the error is. As I said even the best out there have these issues from time to time, look how many elite plants have come from these errors. I believe it is a learning curve, take note of what changed in your environment and make adjustments to avoid this issue in the future.
 
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Dad223

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durbanblue said:
Every environment is different and it can take a small thing to set the plant off on a road to throw balls. A lot of the time it is grower error, no matter how small the error is. As I said even the best out there have these issues from time to time, look how many elite plants have come from these errors. I believe it is a learning curve, take note of what changed in your environment and make adjustments to avoid this issue in the future.
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A plant that gets “set off” by a “small thing” and turns intersex is not an elite cut. It is a hermaphrodite prone cut with desirable qualities. Nothing more, nothing less. If we lived in an honest world.

Also, selling regular seeds as stabilized superior genetics when they are hermaphrodite prone F1’s is fraudulent, to put it nicely.
 
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Dad223

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Now if you know you’re buying feminized seeds that are F1’s and that’s advertised, then yeah expect some to intersex and don’t be upset.

But when your an established cultivator who’s already dialed in and you buy regular seeds with a promise of superiority, and you get intersex plants without introducing ANY environmental stressors...

I think we can understand how these two situations are vastly different in expectations and simply lumping them all in the “grower error” category is an incorrect approach.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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bobrown14 said:
Why wood anyone run a commercial grow from seed if its like bigger than a 15x20 room?

I used to run a lot of clones. Got tired of the same old same old. Started popping from my seed vault that is extensive. This past year has been all seed runs.

I've gotten a few hermies almost every one was my fault. Not watering soon enough telling the plants its about to be drought and a few hermies. Ran the seeds from them - water thing automated and no hermies.

Anecdotal - yes

I think the single most contributing factor to hermies is environment. The hermie trait is there already in the genetics. Been there for 10s of thousands of years. How does that recessive trait turn on.... that's the big question. And why only a few flowers why not the whole plant.

This summer I saw a female plant (fem seeds) and ID'd as a fem before putting outside to grow out she not only started growing balls but there were no flowers at all. Flip from FEM to MALE?? I could have mis-identified but doubt it. Was a lot of work to dig big ass holes in the ground in the woods and plant my patch.
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Gotta disagree here.
There are strains that will not herm, regardless of environmental stress.

While others will herm if you look at them wrong.

It is primarily genetic.

Want to make some fems with a strain derived from GG4? During flower, just let a plant dry out until it’s noticeably wilted and you’ll get some pollen for sure.

No colloidal silver required. :cool:
 
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