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Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Dad223 said:
Possibly, I am misunderstanding.

To be clear, are you saying that genetics do or do not play a huge part in plants that intersex?
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If that’s what he said, he’s 100% wrong.
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Ok I’m not sure who said what anymore.
But claiming genetics are less of a factor than environment makes zero sense.

And I’m not saying hermie-prone seeds are bad, in fact, my favorite keeper was a hermie bitch from seed but she mellowed out after cloning.

Still pretty sensitivity tho.
Somewhere I’ve got pics of pistils growing from a male flower...
 
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Dad223

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Chunky Stool said:
Gotta disagree here.
There are strains that will not herm, regardless of environmental stress.

While others will herm if you look at them wrong.

It is primarily genetic.

Want to make some fems with a strain derived from GG4? During flower, just let a plant dry out until it’s noticeably wilted and you’ll get some pollen for sure.

No colloidal silver required. :cool:
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Well said. I couldn’t agree more.
 
thenotsoesoteric

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People are aware the these polyhybrids are far from stable right?

Who works strains anymore? Seriously like 3 breeders.

Buying a cross of a cross of a cross will almost never produce 100% stable non herming plants/phenos.

If you want stable genetics build a time machine and go back to the 90s.

The market now doesn't allow breeders to work strains and stay competitive. Just look at Cannarado, dude has literally released 200+ crosses in the last year or so. So while breeder x is spending a couple years locking down a strain dudes like Rado have saturated the market and breeder x is left going broke.

If you want "stable"genetics it may be beneficial to just do it yourself. Open pollination followed by some selective breeding.

If you want to find a great mom plant pop as many seeds as you can and learn to clone. Be ready to toss 99% of those seed plants.
 
macsnax

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thenotsoesoteric said:
People are aware the these polyhybrids are far from stable right?

Who works strains anymore? Seriously like 3 breeders.

Buying a cross of a cross of a cross will almost never produce 100% stable non herming plants/phenos.

If you want stable genetics build a time machine and go back to the 90s.

The market now doesn't allow breeders to work strains and stay competitive. Just look at Cannarado, dude has literally released 200+ crosses in the last year or so. So while breeder x is spending a couple years locking down a strain dudes like Rado have saturated the market and breeder x is left going broke.

If you want "stable"genetics it may be beneficial to just do it yourself. Open pollination followed by some selective breeding.

If you want to find a great mom plant pop as many seeds as you can and learn to clone. Be ready to toss 99% of those seed plants.
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"Build a time machine"...... I needed a laugh bro, getting all cranky n shit lately.
 
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Dad223

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macsnax said:
The tool is back making a fool of himself again, every single post lol. Learn to grow and learn the genetics you're playing with and you won't have many issues. Pretty sure I've only had balls on two plants in the last 5 years, they were plucked off and the grow continued without issues. Still run one of those plants to this day.
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@macsnax so let me guess, every single respected breeder, cannabis researcher and the other people agreeing with me ON THIS FORUM they are all tools as well? The entire cannabis community is wrong but YOU and YOUR pollen chucking hermaphrodite buddies got it right. Is that about the size of it? Hahaha.
 
blueberryrose

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Pretty excited about my two solid female Cake N Chem that are about 3 weeks in bloom now, wow, beautiful plants. Long-fingered fan leaves. One stretched a fair bit more than the other and they're both beautiful. Upstairs their brother starting to show impressive clusters of balls - I may use his pollen or I may use the pollen from a previous CNC male that was really nice. Really, kinda sad that I only got two fems out of the pack, oh well. I'll be doing my careful pollination with these and typically will get 30 - 40 really nice seeds from the smaller lower buds. Then I'll have a lot more to run. My cutting from the more sativa gal rooted, now just waiting for the other one. When buds start stacking up fat I'll post pics.

Always nice to see the nature/nurture debate on hermaphroditism rage on LOL :clap:
 
blueberryrose

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thenotsoesoteric said:
If you want "stable"genetics it may be beneficial to just do it yourself. Open pollination followed by some selective breeding.

If you want to find a great mom plant pop as many seeds as you can and learn to clone. Be ready to toss 99% of those seed plants.
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I can't imagine too many things more enjoyable than popping runs of seeds one has made oneself and watching them grow, smelling them, sexing them once it's time and then hopefully trying to preserve a keeper with some selective breeding.

I'm as guilty as the next guy for splurging on breeder x's cross. Buying seeds online IS addictive. Maybe time for a bigger tent and a second LED hahaha bongsmilie
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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thenotsoesoteric said:
People are aware the these polyhybrids are far from stable right?

Who works strains anymore? Seriously like 3 breeders.

Buying a cross of a cross of a cross will almost never produce 100% stable non herming plants/phenos.

If you want stable genetics build a time machine and go back to the 90s.

The market now doesn't allow breeders to work strains and stay competitive. Just look at Cannarado, dude has literally released 200+ crosses in the last year or so. So while breeder x is spending a couple years locking down a strain dudes like Rado have saturated the market and breeder x is left going broke.

If you want "stable"genetics it may be beneficial to just do it yourself. Open pollination followed by some selective breeding.

If you want to find a great mom plant pop as many seeds as you can and learn to clone. Be ready to toss 99% of those seed plants.
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Totally agree with you bro.
It's all about expectations, and obviously they vary quite a bit or this wouldn't be an issue.

I'm running 2 phenos of my own LVTK pollen chuck and the last time I checked lower growth, there was something going on that didn't look right.

Gonna blame covid for that shit. :eyesmoke:
 
FluffsTravels

FluffsTravels

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A friend just finished up a bunch of Jelly Pies. He won't post pics because of where he grows, but I saw some pics on Signal. They look just sick. I'm hoping to get a clone.

Everyone should use Signal for messaging.
 
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blueberryrose

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macsnax said:
You can screen shot them and it won't have the location tag. Idk signal, I've been using telegram. Thinking their probably similar.
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A buddy of mine got me using Signal for the precise purpose of talking /crops/ - it supports end-to-end encryption so we can text and send pics.


bobrown14 said:
Genetics not 100% but most of it - the way I see it.

Anyone, and that wood NOT include "commercial operators", that has ran or will run a +120 day landrace sativa will know about hermies, genetics and how environment plays a role. Just sayin.
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I'm no scientist but from what I've read my understanding is that ALL ganja has the genetic potential for hermaphroditism. Some much more, some much less. I recently grew a MangoThai from RSC (source from Ventiene province Laos) and the plant was INCREDIBLE. Incredible smell, growth structure, etc. except that it was hermie through and through, so he/they (I hope I got her pronouns right) got the axe. After further reading, I discovered that Lao and Thai cultivars are notorious for displaying hermaprhoditic traits.
Bottom line (again, as I understand it) is that some strains are way more prone to hermie and you have to be super careful in your grow, the slightest stress and it will be balls everywhere.
 
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Dad223

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bobrown14 said:
Genetics not 100% but most of it - the way I see it.

Anyone, and that wood NOT include "commercial operators", that has ran or will run a +120 day landrace sativa will know about hermies, genetics and how environment plays a role. Just sayin.
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If the GENOME isn’t present in the DNA it physically can’t be hermaphrodite. It is entirely genetic. Not an opinion. Fact that has been proven by multiple universities. Environmental stressors or chemical manipulations BRING FORTH the hermaphrodite genome ONLY IF the genome is present in the plants GENETIC MAKEUP. I.e. Dominant/Recessive traits.

Exactly, other than microgrows or specialty batch’s that are ran parallel to the main crop NO commercial operator is dedicating mass sq footage to 120+ day flowering Sativa’s (Especially ones prone to intersex).

But we’re not talking 120+ day Landraces are we?

We are talking about GPS gear that’s all polyhybrid F1’s and claim 65-75 days.

Big gap there friend.
 
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Dad223

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blueberryrose said:
A buddy of mine got me using Signal for the precise purpose of talking /crops/ - it supports end-to-end encryption so we can text and send pics.




I'm no scientist but from what I've read my understanding is that ALL ganja has the genetic potential for hermaphroditism. Some much more, some much less. I recently grew a MangoThai from RSC (source from Ventiene province Laos) and the plant was INCREDIBLE. Incredible smell, growth structure, etc. except that it was hermie through and through, so he/they (I hope I got her pronouns right) got the axe. After further reading, I discovered that Lao and Thai cultivars are notorious for displaying hermaprhoditic traits.
Bottom line (again, as I understand it) is that some strains are way more prone to hermie and you have to be super careful in your grow, the slightest stress and it will be balls everywhere.
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There are strains of corn that are hermaphrodite prone (and even preferred by some in the agricultural community) does that mean ALL corn is intersex prone and heirlooms or genetic lines that haven’t been introduced to the intersex genome seize to exist? No. But if they keep mashing these intersex polyhybrids with every species, yes eventually they will become the dominant variant due to over saturation and cross breeding.

Same thing applies to Cannabis. There absolutely 100% are cultivars that WILL not hermaphrodite under ANY conditions because the genome is not present.
 
bobrown14

bobrown14

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Dad223 said:
If the GENOME isn’t present in the DNA it physically can’t be hermaphrodite. It is entirely genetic. Not an opinion. Fact that has been proven by multiple universities. Environmental stressors or chemical manipulations BRING FORTH the hermaphrodite genome ONLY IF the genome is present in the plants GENETIC MAKEUP. I.e. Dominant/Recessive traits.

Exactly, other than microgrows or specialty batch’s that are ran parallel to the main crop NO commercial operator is dedicating mass sq footage to 120+ day flowering Sativa’s (Especially ones prone to intersex).

But we’re not talking 120+ day Landraces are we?

We are talking about GPS gear that’s all polyhybrid F1’s and claim 65-75 days.

Big gap there friend.
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I was commenting on hermaphrodite traits that's all. Take it FWIW.

All cannabis has the trait/genetic makeup for Hermaphroditism.

Not running 120+ day sativa strains.... yer missing out. Test your skill as a grower and expand your knowledge. There's more to growing than yields my friend.

I wood consider myself a professional grower and will grow long running landrace sativa. Its one tool in the grower toolbox and we can use those genetics in hybrid crosses. We need to first select the worthy. That means growing them out. Its the fun part, the way I see it.

Keep you on your game it will.
 
bobrown14

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Dad223 said:
There absolutely 100% are cultivars that WILL not hermaphrodite under ANY conditions because the genome is not present.
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Thats like saying the earth WILL not get hit by a asteroid.

Are you saying that certain cultivars of cannabis sativa do NOT have a genetic trait for Hermaphroditism? Cause I'm VERY skeptical if that's what you meant up there ^^^


You need to show me some science bro.
 
bobrown14

bobrown14

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The reason I mentioned 120+ day landrace sativa is 2 fold.

1 - there is a genetic trait of self preservation. Its common to see it show in cannabis that has been flowering and not pollinated for plus 80 or so days this trait will kick in... how that happens I don't know but from experience, I know its there.

2 - most all growers growing for profit wont mess with 120+ day sativa. So they have no experience in this topic. They think the time doesn't pay and thats not true.
 
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