Alot of green leaves falling off daily.

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Orblight

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Has anyone had this problem before? Every day when go into my tent there are about 5+ on the floor that are green, and generally a few o the plants that have almost dropped they are only just connected by the tiniest bit of the stem and hanging down, they don't generally pull off easy if I try. If i leave them they just shrivel an dry up then fall in a day or 2.
3 plants in a 5 x 5 tent all in 7 gal pots of coco. Under spider farmer leds 3 weeks into flower I'm feeding once A day atm with H&G Cocos nutrients I just dropped to 1.8 ec a week ago because i got nute burn at 2.0ec about 10 days ago which was weird because I had been feeding at 2.0 for a few weeks before that and the run off was only 1.9 when I noticed the burn before that the runoff was slowly coming up from 1.3 even while feeding at 2.0.
Oh and i am fighting fungus gnates at the moment too.
 
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Orblight

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Also after the nutes burn I I feed with the nutes at 1.4 for a few days in till my runoff was at 1.5 and now it's about 1.6 - 1.7 while feeding at 1.8
 
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Bukvičák

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Can you post how the fallen leaves look like as well as whole plant pic? It gonna say more than yours thousand words...
 
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Orblight

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There's A few leaves that where on the floor today and a couple shriveled up ones that was still just hanging on. I do notice the centre vein on the A lot of the leaves are yellow but only the vein.
 

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Orblight

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There rather week too a fair few just snapped off on my hardly touching them or brushing past them trying to get in there
 
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Bukvičák

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Orblight said:
There's A few leaves that where on the floor today and a couple shriveled up ones that was still just hanging on. I do notice the centre vein on the A lot of the leaves are yellow but only the vein.
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Thats a jungle! Can you take some samples of your coco to inspect it for larvae. You have mentioned gnats, when they came from? Environment or medium? If they were in coco before I would bet they are already in the roots of your plants...
 
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Orblight

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Yes it is, I don't think it's going to end well. I was planning to put a screen in there but it was too late by the time I found one with the hole size I wanted, no1 had any smaller than 6" squares. they veged for a bit to long the I've had to cut quite A lot off over the last few weeks.
I can try dig a bit of the medium out but they could have been there awhile I seen a random 1 or 2 few weeks ago and gave everything a spray but over the past few days I've noticed a fair few, I've just put sticky traps in there but need to get some neem oil or something tomorrow to water into the coco. If there in the roots is that game over?
 
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Bukvičák

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Orblight said:
Yes it is, I don't think it's going to end well. I was planning to put a screen in there but it was too late by the time I found one with the hole size I wanted, no1 had any smaller than 6" squares. they veged for a bit to long the I've had to cut quite A lot off over the last few weeks.
I can try dig a bit of the medium out but they could have been there awhile I seen a random 1 or 2 few weeks ago and gave everything a spray but over the past few days I've noticed a fair few, I've just put sticky traps in there but need to get some neem oil or something tomorrow to water into the coco. If there in the roots is that game over?
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I think there are ways how to control it, but not familiar with coco and ways how to solve it without side affect to the plant (again in coco). Neem oil in flower no. If the problem is in the pot it wont help anyway. Probably some h2o2 can help but NOT sure about coco. At first you should make yourself sure about the source of the issue. Few gnats means nothing unless they came from “outside”. But if they born in your medium than it can be a problem. Your plants look healthy in general as well as the fallen leaves. I bet the problem is in the roots. But maybe more experienced coco guys give a better shot @MickFoster @TintEastwood
 
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Unless you have a severe infestation there is nothing to worry about. The adult flyers pose no threat to the plant and there would have to be thousands of larvae to be a problem to the roots.

Yellow stickies for the adult flyers and 3 drenches of Gnatrol for the larvae.......works every time.

Good luck.
 
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Orblight

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MickFoster said:
Unless you have a severe infestation there is nothing to worry about. The adult flyers pose no threat to the plant and there would have to be thousands of larvae to be a problem to the roots.

Yellow stickies for the adult flyers and 3 drenches of Gnatrol for the larvae.......works every time.

Good luck.
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Awesome I don't believe it's severe infestation as I only ever see a few and i really have to look for them. I'll get onto some gnatrol. So based on that the gnats wouldn't be the cause of all these leaves falling off then?
Cheers
 
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Bukvičák

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MickFoster said:
Unless you have a severe infestation there is nothing to worry about. The adult flyers pose no threat to the plant and there would have to be thousands of larvae to be a problem to the roots.

Yellow stickies for the adult flyers and 3 drenches of Gnatrol for the larvae.......works every time.

Good luck.
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What do you think about that fallen leaves? Thats the most concerning thing. They are too healthy to fall down like apples...
 
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Orblight

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Nah it's weird one day they will be relatively healthy, (besides the fact the center vein of A lot of my leaves is yellow and only the vein. Yet to figure that one out.) Then the next day to have a few on the floor and a couple just hanging down barely attached and dying.
Yeah I've done a few in coco before but they wh were fair few years ago now.
 
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Go with the Big picture rather than focusing on the little one which is a common mistake. Your plants look extremely happy, your stock, branches and leaf stems show No signs of stress, deficiencies etc.
As Bukvicak said "it looks like a jungle" (your canopy is Thick) and that gives insight to what's going on. Leaves on plants need to be thought of as solar panels that create the energy the plant needs to grow, the more leaves the more energy the better the growth. However plants (Any Plant) are highly efficient organisms and will shed or drop leaves that are buried under a thick canopy or light is being blocked by another source. If they're not catching any light (even the perfectly healthy ones) they're useless to the plant and it will cut em loose since they're not creating energy only using it at that point to stay green and alive.
Once your plant has voided the useless non energy producing leaves the shedding will stop and it will go on with what it has remaining.
Mine do this constantly, almost lollipopping themselves but I'm in a confined space and don't have the room to open them up but still manage to grow a gram per watt. If you do have the room spread them open so light can reach all the way through the plant and that will stop the shedding as well.
The only other reason I've seen the shedding happen is an over abundance of a silicate additive which can make the entire plant brittle.
Don't sweat the small stuff if your plant looks healthy and is growing healthy (and yours are just that) let it be!
Cheers!
 
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I've used coco for a number of years but I've never seen or even read/heard about that happening, it's an odd one considering the plant looks fine. Normally a plant will use up the stored nutrients before letting go of a leaf it's an odd one, I hope someone can shed some light on it I'm curious myself as to what the cause is?
 
Scuzzman

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use coco coir all the time, not an issue, leafs do drop under the canopy( not just coco coir either), keep feeding and watering as per normal , - clean the plants- strip some of that green off let the air flow and the light in, dont stress its a weed it will grow and product bud
 
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Orblight

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Geedoubya said:
Go with the Big picture rather than focusing on the little one which is a common mistake. Your plants look extremely happy, your stock, branches and leaf stems show No signs of stress, deficiencies etc.
As Bukvicak said "it looks like a jungle" (your canopy is Thick) and that gives insight to what's going on. Leaves on plants need to be thought of as solar panels that create the energy the plant needs to grow, the more leaves the more energy the better the growth. However plants (Any Plant) are highly efficient organisms and will shed or drop leaves that are buried under a thick canopy or light is being blocked by another source. If they're not catching any light (even the perfectly healthy ones) they're useless to the plant and it will cut em loose since they're not creating energy only using it at that point to stay green and alive.
Once your plant has voided the useless non energy producing leaves the shedding will stop and it will go on with what it has remaining.
Mine do this constantly, almost lollipopping themselves but I'm in a confined space and don't have the room to open them up but still manage to grow a gram per watt. If you do have the room spread them open so light can reach all the way through the plant and that will stop the shedding as well.
The only other reason I've seen the shedding happen is an over abundance of a silicate additive which can make the entire plant brittle.
Don't sweat the small stuff if your plant looks healthy and is growing healthy (and yours are just that) let it be!
Cheers!
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Ok cheers hopefully that's all it is, it makes sence. Haha nah I can't open them up any more than I have the whole tent is wall to wall basicly.

Scuzzman said:
use coco coir all the time, not an issue, leafs do drop under the canopy( not just coco coir either), keep feeding and watering as per normal , - clean the plants- strip some of that green off let the air flow and the light in, dont stress its a weed it will grow and product bud
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Sweet it seems to be the popular opinion an it makes sense. Yeah I've been trying to strip some of it out but been doing it slowly about a shopping bag full a week for the last 3 or 4 weeks, I just don't want to take to many of the tops ones but I think I'm going to have too.
 
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