food grade hydrogen peroxide

mistaphuck

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ive heard great things about hydrogen peroxide (food grade not that shit you put on cuts) for putting in your water to help prevent some diease i heard its also very good for you if you drink a few drops in some juice everyday or put it in your pets dish my mom wont shut up about that shit since she read some book by kevin trudeu or watever but shes the one who suggested i use it on my plants and i looked it up and some people say yes and some people say no. so whats the concensus folks?
 

thelastpirate

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The shit is liquid oxygen (for all intents and purposes), and CAN burn the living shit outta some roots if you're not careful. That 3% "shit you put on cuts" is about as strong a solution as you'd want to fuck with. Anything stronger and you're gonna have problems.
That being said, I've heard that it can increase the oxygen levels in your soil, of course, if you over do it a bit, it could kill off the beneficial bacteria in the soil as well.
Are you trying to fix what aint broke?
 

mistaphuck

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no ive just been wanting to expirament. the cut fixing stuff has other chems in it i think. you could always just dilute the foodgrade stuff ALOT like a drop in a gal or something
 

thelastpirate

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no ive just been wanting to expirament. the cut fixing stuff has other chems in it i think. you could always just dilute the foodgrade stuff ALOT like a drop in a gal or something
H2O2 is 2 molecules of Hydrogen and 2 oxygen. Thats it. It's just water with an extra oxygen molecule added on. The pharmacy "shit you put on cuts" is just the same stuff, diluted down (with water) to be safe for human use. IF you can get a hold of some reagent grade peroxide, be really careful with it, but it IS some fun stuff!!!

If you don't have a good chemistry background, stick with what you know. With all the "Meth Cooks" and other bozos, we already have enough people out there handling chemicals (and reactions) with absolutely no clue what they are doing, and really putting others in danger.
 

mistaphuck

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i already use that shit for lots of stuff cleaning and using for myself i havent been sick in forever because viruses and bullshit like that cant live in an oxygenated bloodstream. i could see uses in a hydro grow like algie? put a few drops in a fountain that was al covered in algie once cleared that shit up. and maybe it would kill disease in the plant or soil?
 

tusseltussel

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Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is a clear sharp smelling substance very similar in appearance to water (H2O). Like water it is made up of Hydrogen (H2) and Oxygen (O2), however H2O2 has an extra Oxygen atom in an unstable arrangement. It is this extra atom that gives H2O2 its useful properties. H2O2 has been used for many purposes including cleaning, bleaching, sterilizing, rocket fuel, animal feed treatment and in addition many miraculous claims about its health benefits have been made. This article isn't about any of these; instead it will concentrate on horticultural applications. H2O2 is of great use for both hydroponics and dirt/soilless gardening.

What Does Hydrogen Peroxide do?
H2O2 is an unstable molecule, when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. This is the method by which H2O2 is beneficial. Pre treating the water supply with H2O2will drive out the Chlorine many cities use to sterilize it. This will also degrade any pesticides or herbicides that might be present as well as any other organic matter. Well water can be high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Many disease causing organisms and spores are killed by Oxygen, the free Oxygen H2O2 releases is extremely effective at this. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e, leaves roots) in the system preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases.

Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution; this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish color with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginning of a serious problem. An organic, ‘dirt like’ rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscous circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/over watering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.

How to use it.
H2O2 comes in several different strengths 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using, as at this high concentration it can cause damage to skin and clothing. When working with food grade H2O2 it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost anything very quickly. This is extra important with skin and clothing. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical.

Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to three ml's per liter (2 1\2 tsp. Per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. Use every watering even on fresh cuttings. For hydroponics use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2when changing the nutrient. You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day.

Where to get it.
35% food grade: called food grade because it has no toxic impurities. Of course your local hydroponics retailer, whom you can locate over the web.(there may be shipping restrictions on high strength peroxides). The local feed supplier may have it in small towns. Prices range from fifteen dollars per quarter liter to eighty dollars a gallon. One gallon will treat up to fifty thousand liters of water.

3%5%, 8% Can be found at most drugstores or pharmacies, prices start at a less than a dollar for a one hundred-ml bottle that will treat one hundred liters.

What to do if you already have root rot.

In Dirt:
Use peroxide water with an anti-fungicide and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.

In Hydro:
Change your nutrients. Add H2O2 to the system. This will add oxygen and chemically eat dead roots. If roots are badly rotted and can be pulled away by hand you should pull them off. They are already dead and will only rot, causing further problems. Add a fungicide to kill any fungus that is probably present in the rotted tissue to prevent it from spreading. Increase aeration of the water, get an air pump and air stones, or more of them, for the reservoir. An air stone under every plant is usually very effective, but will require a larger air pump. Models that will do from forty to four hundred stones are available. Decrease the reservoir temperature, oxygen dissolves better in cold water and disease causing organisms reproduce slower as well. A good temperate range is 62F to 65F; anything above 70F will eventually cause a problem. It is also a good idea to remove any wilty plants from the system and put them on a separate reservoir so they don't infect plants that are still healthy.

Summary
The key to big productive plants is a big healthy root system and Hydrogen Peroxide is a great way to keep your roots healthy. It is a must to ensure the biggest best crops possible and to increase the chances of your plants thriving to harvest. Peroxide users will rarely lose plants or crops to root disease and will harvest larger and more consistent crops.

Now i bet you want to know how much to add right?
Here is Ozgrowa's H2O2 formula:
Quote:
US Standard
1.28*G/C= Liquid Oz's per day

Metric
10*L/C= Ml per day

C= % concentration of H2O2
L= Number of liters in reservoir
G= Number of Gallons in reservoir

Example: How much 3% H202 should I add to 7 gallons of nutes?
1.28*7/3=2.986 Oz's each day.

where gloves this shit burns and bleaches your skin dont drink it if you wanna drink it google h2o2 for cancer first
 

mistaphuck

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wow thanks you summed up my thoughts. and getting that shit on you isnt that bad a lil annoying it gets all white and itchy for like fifteen mins. you can get it at a health food store too i get the brand azure standard its a white bottle with an eagle on the front it 12 bux
 

thelastpirate

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Thanx Tussel, that should explain things. I'd be all about using it, except I'm worried that I'll kill off the mycorrhizae in the soil. They be really important, too.
Peroxide in any concentration other than "that shit you put on cuts" (3%) is really unstable and reactive, and gets more so with concentration. Ya'll can think of it as liquid ozone in reactivity.
And it is really toxic if swallowed. It will bleach out just about anything (including any skin it doesn't burn off)
It DOES make for a great oxidizer, Reagent grade peroxide with some refined kerosene is a great rocket fuel. Pretty high ISP as propellants go.
 

thelastpirate

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So how much do ya think to add to 3/4 watter bubbler?? or would that just be stupid?

Do you lack oxygen in your water? You are aerating it, why is that not sufficient? Yes, H2O2 will add oxygen, but it can kill off the beneficial bacteria in the grow medium. I would think that would far outweigh any possible benefits. Now as a "last ditch" rescue effort for, say, over watering it might be useful.

Experimentation is one thing, trying to re-invent the wheel when the wheel you have is already round is quite another.
 

stumps

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just looking for ways to boost root growth. there is no medium. it's for a bubble cloner and as for as re-inveting I don't know crap about what does and dosen't work with a bubbler system. but lol never the less had a boss used that line daily on me.
 
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