brown hairs in early flower

mr.mattress

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2 weeks into flower on this girl and some of her hairs are shrivelling and browning. I definitely overfed her :cry: fan leaf tips turning brown too.

trying to fix the nutrient burn...flushed two days ago and waiting to see what happens.

so my question: will these flowers recover or are they fucked?

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smokinrav

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They will recover just fine, all things being equal. Besides, pistils don't get you high...

Very nice trichome production for only two weeks in flower!
 

trichoneum

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Yes, they will be just fine as long as you fix the nutrient issue. Other thing, have you knocked or brushed the flowers more than gently? Sometimes an elbow or maybe sleeve catches them, or when youre tying down you give them a knock, which causes the pistils to die (why they go brown, this is what happens when they ripen. The dying that is.). Happens to me all the time, part of confined spaces. As long as your plants healthy new ones will outgrow them pretty quickly. Just watch the nutes. I look at the very newest growth when assessing this, any change in the way of kinking, twisting, or even looking at me funny and I know the nutes are out. I go in .25ml increments which for me is 75ppm and can see if they've been overfed even by one increment the same day, be sure by the following morning. Getting on top straightaway is best and your plants always tell you what they want.
The sheen on the leaves suggests slight nitrogen toxicity by the way. Common in early flower, particularly as you change schedule. Flush and a reduction will sort it although unless its considerable you could have got away without the flush. Keep a proper flush as last resort always.
Anyway, you done good!
 
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trichoneum

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Not at all, you're quite correct i just like proper answers. However I would contend that first thing is likely to be heavy handed feeding as op acknowledges himself. I would assume ph is correct in first instance and I see no other indication of the lights being too close. Flush will have fixed. Go back in correct n ratio and ph. Don't get too complicated in first instance.
 

trichoneum

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Hairs are pre maturely desiccating. Turning brown. Leaves are twisting and attempting to roll over. LOL. High N from low ph. LOL. Increase will reduce uptake while increasing P and K availability. But I'm just a dumb redkneck. My bad. Carry on.
Glad I can be of entertainment redneck. Or redkneck. However you're spelling it now.
 
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MICHI-CAN

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Not at all, you're quite correct i just like proper answers. However I would contend that first thing is likely to be heavy handed feeding as op acknowledges himself. I would assume ph is correct in first instance and I see no other indication of the lights being too close. Flush will have fixed. Go back in correct n ratio and ph. Don't get too complicated in first instance.
And I disagree. Yet am happy to hear all points of view. Running out of patience of late is all. No malice here. Lay it out for the OP please. Can get more opinions then. I wish for education for all. Even my old carcass.
 

trichoneum

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Purely as I said. The plants have had excess nutrient and show signs of toxicity, they have been flushed, this should be fixed by resuming reduced nutrients at this stage. We don't know the ph as we haven't been told but I'm assuming It's in appropriate range. Overfeeding won't be fixed by changing it. This is only the solution if your nutes are correct and you're having issues. Assumptions don't get you anywhere do they so perhaps checking ph is good advice also! But, all things being equal, simplest answer is as I said. However I will certainly concede you have a good point with the lights and this must be checked. Interesting isn't it, most problems are ph related and the nitrogen toxicity is often mistaken as being caused by lights or overwatering due to symptoms specific to n toxicity. It shows like a deficiency due to the prevention of uptake.

Patience is an overrated quality. Its just tolerance for stupidity and who has time for that?
 

MICHI-CAN

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Purely as I said. The plants have had excess nutrient and show signs of toxicity, they have been flushed, this should be fixed by resuming reduced nutrients at this stage. We don't know the ph as we haven't been told but I'm assuming It's in appropriate range. Overfeeding won't be fixed by changing it. This is only the solution if your nutes are correct and you're having issues. Assumptions don't get you anywhere do they so perhaps checking ph is good advice also! But, all things being equal, simplest answer is as I said. However I will certainly concede you have a good point with the lights and this must be checked. Interesting isn't it, most problems are ph related and the nitrogen toxicity is often mistaken as being caused by lights or overwatering due to symptoms specific to n toxicity. It shows like a deficiency due to the prevention of uptake.
Oh boy.

In an attempt to help the op and yourself....? There is no clawing or tip burn. May we start there?
 

trichoneum

Member
What are you talking about? Who said there was? I said quite clearly the sheen. Read it. Its a sign of n toxicity. Shiny leaves. Start where you like as long as its not near me smart arse. Did you think I was having a dig or something? The dude says himself there's tip burn.
 
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MICHI-CAN

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What are you talking about? Who said there was? I said quite clearly the sheen. Read it. Its a sign of n toxicity. Shiny leaves. Start where you like as long as its not near me smart arse. Did you think I was having a dig or something? The dude says himself there's tip burn.
Yep. Still digging.
 

trichoneum

Member
What clawing?? Op says fan leaf tips gone brown. Man I've had enough. I don't think you even understand my post. Did you think I was trying to explain something to you or patronise? Better things to do.
Youre sad and very hard work. That's my last word.
 

mr.mattress

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oh shit i’m sorry y’all! I apologize for the lack of information. appreciate the lively debate.

last I checked the runoff pH was slightly acidic, around 5.5, which I also tried to fix with the flush. there’s definitely a sheen and deep green hues which is what alerted me to overfeeding. i thought simply reducing the amount of N would help but the issue i’m pretty sure was that i fed too often, hence the burn despite feeding at 50% strength
 

mr.mattress

Member
Yes, they will be just fine as long as you fix the nutrient issue. Other thing, have you knocked or brushed the flowers more than gently? Sometimes an elbow or maybe sleeve catches them, or when youre tying down you give them a knock, which causes the pistils to die (why they go brown, this is what happens when they ripen. The dying that is.). Happens to me all the time, part of confined spaces. As long as your plants healthy new ones will outgrow them pretty quickly. Just watch the nutes. I look at the very newest growth when assessing this, any change in the way of kinking, twisting, or even looking at me funny and I know the nutes are out. I go in .25ml increments which for me is 75ppm and can see if they've been overfed even by one increment the same day, be sure by the following morning. Getting on top straightaway is best and your plants always tell you what they want.
The sheen on the leaves suggests slight nitrogen toxicity by the way. Common in early flower, particularly as you change schedule. Flush and a reduction will sort it although unless its considerable you could have got away without the flush. Keep a proper flush as last resort always.
Anyway, you done good!
also: I accidentally left a fan running way too strong overnight. jostled the colas more than i would like, so that might account for some of the brown pistils!
 

trichoneum

Member
Well thats your answer and teaches me a lesson for assuming! Ph too low indeed. The other advice still stands under appropriate circumstances. Wind stress is very real and causes a bit of cupping sometimes, if it battered them it could do it. Bare in mind though that nutes may still be too high and it may not just be ph. I wouldn't worry about the browning of itself if the rest is fixed. Which it does sound like.
 
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