Setting LEDs at the right height to select phenos "thriving in intense light," killing the weak

[KonopCh]

16 pages of drama for this.
Hahahahaha guys.

 

[budolskie]

all pics uploaded tonight were from the bloom tents
- small one has plants 5 weeks along, and a few finishing 2 weeks (they replaced some that tanked early)
- larger tent is all plants ending week 2

- i stagger them by a few weeks, so i don't have to harvest all at once ... but i didn't plan to have one tent with plants 3 weeks apart in it... oh well.

what size are the 2 bloom rooms

 

[Apostatize]

16 pages of drama for this.
Hahahahaha guys.

all i said was i hoped to hit 5 lbs at some point ... hit 3 consistently then work toward 4 and so on ... i didn't expect all the backlash. whatever, this is my grow and it gets me really stoned ... so, I'm happy.

 

[budolskie]

all pics uploaded tonight were from the bloom tents
- small one has plants 5 weeks along, and a few finishing 2 weeks (they replaced some that tanked early)
- larger tent is all plants ending week 2

- i stagger them by a few weeks, so i don't have to harvest all at once ... but i didn't plan to have one tent with plants 3 weeks apart in it... oh well.

Also how many weeks from starting seed/ clones untill they go in the bloom tent and how many plants in each bloom tent

 

[Apostatize]

what size are the 2 bloom rooms

smaller flowering tent grow space: ~46" x 70"
larger flowering tent grow space: ~66" x 70"

a grower on here estimated I'd need about 1.6 oz/sq ft to get me to 5 lbs. I'm looking at it like 2+ oz/plant. I'd be happy with 4 lbs, 5's aspirational.

 

[Apostatize]

Also how many weeks from starting seed/ clones untill they go in the bloom tent and how many plants in each bloom tent

clones: about 3+ months from clone to bloom (maybe 2-3 extra weeks if I'm delayed in flipping a tent).
seedlings: maybe a little longer.
- actually, a few strains take longer to veg to amount to anything, even though i eliminated 10 strains before selecting ones that finish flowering (not ripening) in about 8-9 weeks. most are decent after 3 mos. of veg.

the # of plants varies. depends on what I have to work with. Usually (and I'm only on my 4th bloom), I'll toss a good # of plants that aren't shaped right ... unless it's a strain I need 1 or 2 more plants of, then I'll squeeze in one that's a little fugly.

right now,
12 in the smaller space, 16 in the larger space.
that's a lot ... but with lights so close and encouraging stretching of secondary branches, plants really haven't stretched much toward the light. and they're tight, but they're not really overcrowding each other to the point where there's no space between them.

 

[budolskie]

I get 12 plants in my 8x4ft tent and first time i got 19oz after a few tweeks my second time i got 29oz and now 33 days into my third run.
I have an 80x80x160cm veg/seed tent and usually start my pips around now for my next run to give them few weeks so i can pot up soon my flower tent dry

 

[budolskie]

clones: about 3+ months from clone to bloom (maybe 2-3 extra weeks if I'm delayed in flipping a tent).
seedlings: maybe a little longer.
- actually, a few strains take longer to veg to amount to anything, even though i eliminated 10 strains before selecting ones that finish flowering (not ripening) in about 8-9 weeks. most are decent after 3 mos. of veg.

the # of plants varies. depends on what I have to work with. Usually (and I'm only on my 4th bloom), I'll toss a good # of plants that aren't shaped right ... unless it's a strain I need 1 or 2 more plants of, then I'll squeeze in one that's a little fugly.

right now,
12 in the smaller space, 16 in the larger space.
that's a lot ... but with lights so close and encouraging stretching of secondary branches, plants really haven't stretched much toward the light. and they're tight, but they're not really overcrowding each other to the point where there's no space between them.

I believe its hard to hit what your saying with your numbers and space, just with what i have yielded over the years..... i had few year break and just started back up in september last year

 

[Apostatize]

now that i'm selecting phenos and, consequently, have less genetic material to clone/get to the next round ... I can focus more on individual plants and start allowing them to veg for 5+ mos. i won't be so rushed/scattered keeping unnecessary genetics going.

 

[Apostatize]

see this image? online pic. this is sort of the prototype of what i'm trying to do. i see a lot of enormous plants with lots of unused branch space ... idk, I see "micro grows" producing substantial yields ... and figured I could squeeze out a little more bud, from more plants, in less space, if I eliminated organic matter I don't need. we'll see.

when i buy a house, the space will be larger -- it will be designed for 5+. I'll makes sure of it, I'm just using my current space until I save up money to do something grander.

 

[bk78]

I forget since there’s so much trash to go through but you’re in this for production right? To make as much money as possible off each run?

 

[Apostatize]

I forget since there’s so much trash to go through but you’re in this for production right? To make as much money as possible off each run?

Basically, yes. I wouldn't say it's all about money. There's definitely people who grow lots of trash weed for profit. I'm at least ensuring strains stink, are potent, and look good. Goal's 5 lbs, 4 x per year (12-20 lbs/yr). Want it to be like clockwork. Anticipate achieving a more consistent, predictable product via pheno selection.

- it seems obvious that as avg. plant yield increases, my plant size will increase.
- and now that I've excluded strains and can work on pheno selection, I should be able to focus more on individual plants and extend veg by months if needed.
- willing to make other adjustments, new strain choices (over time).
- agreed, this thread needs a bs filter....

 

[bk78]

Basically, yes. I wouldn't say it's all about money. There's definitely people who grow lots of trash weed for profit. I'm at least ensuring strains stink, are potent, and look good. Goal's 5 lbs, 4 x per year (12-20 lbs/yr). Want it to be like clockwork. Anticipate achieving a more consistent, predictable product via pheno selection.

- it seems obvious that as avg. plant yield increases, my plant size will increase.
- and now that I've excluded strains and can work on pheno selection, I should be able to focus more on individual plants and extend veg by months if needed.
- willing to make other adjustments, new strain choices (over time).
- agreed, this thread needs a bs filter....

You are going about this all wrong if it’s about money. 5-6 month veg you’re losing a whole cycle. You should be finding a pheno or 2 and be vegging no more than 30 days and flip.

 

[Apostatize]

You are going about this all wrong if it’s about money. 5-6 month veg you’re losing a whole cycle. You should be finding a pheno or 2 and be vegging no more than 30 days and flip.

yeah, not doing 5-6 mos. veg now ... just assumed that's how people grow monster plants. i veg about 3 mos. from clone/seedling to the time I go 12/12 for bloom.

so, 4 harvests per year, 12-20 lbs/yr. if you're suggesting I can get 5 or more harvests per year, you've got my attention.
- currently, by the time I hang plants, the next round of veg are already ready to be flipped to bloom. only so much space.

 

[budolskie]

You are going about this all wrong if it’s about money. 5-6 month veg you’re losing a whole cycle. You should be finding a pheno or 2 and be vegging no more than 30 days and flip.

Also how i think, more plants to compensate for less veg time, overall more cycles a year

 

[bk78]

yeah, not doing 5-6 mos. veg now ... just assumed that's how people grow monster plants. i veg about 3 mos. from clone/seedling to the time I go 12/12 for bloom.

so, 4 harvests per year, 12-20 lbs/yr. if you're suggesting I can get 5 or more harvests per year, you've got my attention.
- currently, by the time I hang plants, the next round of veg are already ready to be flipped to bloom. only so much space.

Only people I see vegging for that long are soil growers. If you notice very few commercial ops run soil. 95% are in coco (indoor)

If you just want to put around in your pinto stay with soil, if you want to get to point a to point b the fastest hop in a V8 supercharged muscle car (coco)

 

[Apostatize]

Only people I see vegging for that long are soil growers. If you notice very few commercial ops run soil. 95% are in coco (indoor)

If you just want to put around in your pinto stay with soil, if you want to get to point a to point b the fastest hop in a V8 supercharged muscle car (coco)

Thanks! Noticed that. Consequently, I use Grodan blocks. I suppose I should start running one tent in coco as a comparison. I'll go with coco if it's comparable or better -- and cheaper. Currently, I buy enough of each Grodan block size to qualify for a discount at https://www.bghydro.com.

Also, I know Taskenti prefers low humidity ... I haven't flowered it yet ... I like to handle all plants the same way, but Taskenti presents an opportunity to control humidity more closely wherever I decide to flower it.

 

[bk78]

Thanks! Noticed that. Consequently, I use Grodan blocks. I suppose I should start running one tent in coco as a comparison. I'll go with coco if it's comparable or better -- and cheaper. Currently, I buy enough of each Grodan block size to qualify for a discount at https://www.bghydro.com.

Also, I know Taskenti prefers low humidity ... I haven't flowered it yet ... I like to handle all plants the same way, but Taskenti presents an opportunity to control humidity more closely wherever I decide to flower it.

Your set up is not set up to run blocks or coco. You need a plan for drain to waste management, and your dish drying racks won’t cut it unfortunately.

You need to start feeding those plants multiple times a day in blocks or coco for optimal growth for production

 

[Apostatize]

Your set up is not set up to run blocks or coco. You need a plan for drain to waste management, and your dish drying racks won’t cut it unfortunately.

You need to start feeding those plants multiple times a day in blocks or coco for optimal growth for production

I hear ya. I feed them twice a day. Irrigation ... here's the rub: until my plant #s per tent are the same every time, irrigation is a real pita because I have to add hoses and it gets messy quick. When I'm averaging 4+ oz/plant, I can confidently fix #s and set up irrigation. Fortunately, I've been working from home and have been around to water....

- draining ... yeah, not sophisticated. I have plastic wells (small tent, shallow; large tent, >3" deep (really thick industrial plastic)) blocks can drip into for overflow, but mainly I just run a shop vac and/or dump out the excess as needed. labor-intensive for sure.

 

[Highlife42]

now that i'm selecting phenos and, consequently, have less genetic material to clone/get to the next round ... I can focus more on individual plants and start allowing them to veg for 5+ mos. i won't be so rushed/scattered keeping unnecessary genetics going.

I really like what you are doing dude. Your photos are very cool to look at and your style is totally different. Im sure its very fun & interesting. Whatever keeps you in the garden right. I quoted above bc its important to keeps the plants healthy through its life when selecting phenos and such. Doing it right ya know. Like you said, focus. I would say just improve the room. Get set up on adjustable flood tables.