Will You Take The Vaccine?

[PJ Diaz]

But what are you talking about with being forced? Are you worried the gov't will kick down your door and pin you down and give you a shot? That will never happen. I'm worried you're talking about being forced, as in, private businesses requiring you to have a vaccine in order to do business with them, but if you know anything about rights, then you know it's not being forced, it's just you throwing a tantrum.

Who cares what people "want". That's not really a thing that imposes anything on you. Taco Bell "wants" you to go down and buy their food, but it doesn't mean anything.

Multiple have intimated in this thread, that "if you want to continue to participate in society, you better get vaccinated". That is a form of force by way of coercion. It's pretty straightforward to me. It may not be physical force, but it's force nonetheless.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I believe that Manson mediated daily. Your points are moot, because you are a psychotic sociopath yourself.

I don't think Charlie practiced, though I don't know much about him. Your opinion of psychopathy is as valid as your beliefs about vaccination and is rooted in ignorance and stupidity. I could care less about your opinion and most people here know me well enough. I figure ya got a sore asshole and that's about it, it should be kinda raw considering the pounding it got on this thread.

 

[HaroldRocks]

Who cares what people "want". That's not really a thing that imposes anything on you. Taco Bell "wants" you to go down and buy their food, but it doesn't mean anything.

Right - just like you want us to go down and get a shot but it doesn't mean anything

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Then you aren't really looking hard enough at the other side of things. You have a bias perspective. How do you account for all of the adverse reactions to the vaccine on the CDC website?

Adverse reactions are not being fucked for life and what I said only applies to mRNA vaccines. Most medications have a far higher mortality rate than the mRNA vaccines and as far as I know there have been no deaths that have been confirmed as having a vaccination cause. People have short term reactions and anything worthy of note would be all over the media, even a single death.

 

[HaroldRocks]

Right - they can't confirm anything unless they can draw a straight line to it

so don't worry about those blood clots....it's a good trade-off

 

[HaroldRocks]

Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received to the system for the previous week. Today’s data show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 1, a total of 56,869 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 2,342 deaths — an increase of 93 over the previous week — and 7,971 serious injuries, up 245 over the same time period.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Adverse reactions are not being fucked for life and what I said only applies to mRNA vaccines.

Many adverse reactions are fucked for life. Not all, but many. What I said applied to the covid vaccine specifically. Are you sure you're paying attention?

 

[HaroldRocks]

Of the 2,342 deaths reported as of April 1, 28% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 19% occurred within 24 hours and 42% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received to the system for the previous week. Today’s data show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and April 1, a total of 56,869 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 2,342 deaths — an increase of 93 over the previous week — and 7,971 serious injuries, up 245 over the same time period.

Yes, I've been watching VAERS on the CDC since the start of Feb. It's scary. These other people here aren't looking, they are dismissing the realities on the very CDC website which they praise so highly.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Of the 2,342 deaths reported as of April 1, 28% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 19% occurred within 24 hours and 42% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

Also it's estimated that the numbers on VAERS are widely under reported, so fee free to add a zero or two to every number you see there.

 

[mooray]

But this shot isn't about the team

it's about protecting yourself and yourself only

Multiple have intimated in this thread, that "if you want to continue to participate in society, you better get vaccinated". That is a form of force by way of coercion. It's pretty straightforward to me. It may not be physical force, but it's force nonetheless.

So this is moving our way to the crux of the issue, which is a poor understanding of rights mixed with selfishness. People only know about their rights and then expect the world to protect those rights, but that's not how it works. Only the gov't needs to protect your rights. Full stop. Any other private business or person's rights take priority over yours *when in their domain*. Same as how you can kick someone out of your house for saying something you don't like, that's your right in your domain and everyone knows it. However, people are so effing stupid and selfish these days, they cry about the 1a if someone kicks them out in the reverse situation. People that think this way have failed to understand American freedom at the most basic level.

In addition, consideration for others is mandatory(in a non-mandatory way), if you like freedom. Because freedom allows quite a bit of room to be an asshole and to do shitty, but legal, things. Over time, people choosing to do the bare minimum(i.e. exercising rights in a shitty way), causes everyone else to get sick of it, then laws change and freedom is reduced. Just about every law we have represents a failure of society to do what's right when they don't have to. Having freedom requires doing more than exercising your rights, it requires you to be considerate of other people's rights, even when you don't like it, especially when you don't like it. Because if you don't, then you're not protecting your own rights.

And to sum that up, other people's rights take priority in their domain and if that results in you not being able to go shopping or to the movies, tough shit. If you don't like it, start your own business where you can be in charge of your domain.

 

[HaroldRocks]

This week’s VAERS data show:

• 19% of deaths were related to cardiac disorders.
• 55% of those who died were male, 43% were female and the remaining death reports did not include gender of the deceased.
• The average age of those who died was 77.5 and the youngest death was an 18-year-old. There are a few reported deaths in children under 18, but these reports contained errors.
• As of April 1, 379 pregnant women had reported adverse events related to COVID vaccines, including 110 reports of miscarriage or premature birth.
• Of the 620 cases of Bell’s Palsy reported, 61% of cases were reported after Pfizer-BioNTech vaccinations — almost twice as many as reported (37%) following vaccination with the Moderna vaccine. Fifteen cases (2%) of Bell’s Palsy were reported with J&J.
• There were 72 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome with 57% of cases attributed to Pfizer, 43% to Moderna and 6% to J&J’s COVID vaccine.
• There were 16,876 reports of anaphylaxis with 50% of cases attributed to Pfizer’s COVID vaccine, 44% to Moderna and 7% to J&J vaccine.

 

[HaroldRocks]

As The Defender reported today, Florida health officials said Thursday their joint investigation with the CDC into the death of 56-year-old Dr. Gregory Michael confirmed Michael’s death was caused by immune thrombocytopenia, a blood disorder caused by an immune reaction.


Michael developed symptoms of the disorder three days after receiving his first dose of the Pfizer COVID vaccine, and died 12 days after that.


An official with the Florida Department of Health said investigators could not determine with “medical certainty” if there was a link between the vaccine and Michael’s death, leading them to conclude the doctor died of natural causes.

 

[mooray]

J&J is most closely related to a regular flu vaccine FWIW. It's the one I would choose.

 

[HaroldRocks]

On April 6, The Defender reported that 246 Michigan residents fully vaccinated against COVID were later diagnosed with the virus, resulting in three deaths.


All “breakthrough cases” occurred between Jan. 1 and March 31 in people who tested positive 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series. Of the 117 with hospitalization data entered, 11 were hospitalized, 103 were not hospitalized and three were reported as unknown.


The three people who died were all 65 or older and two “were within three weeks of completion of vaccination.”


On April 8, Kaiser Health News reported that a man died at age 36 of coronavirus, just days after getting his first dose of COVID vaccine. Espinoza fell ill a few days after his first dose on Jan. 5, but went to work thinking it was vaccine-related. His symptoms progressed to a fever and chills and he tested positive for COVIDfive days later. Three weeks later Espinoza had passed away.


“Even after you’re fully vaccinated, there still is a remaining risk,” said Horton, co-author of a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine about post-vaccination infection rates among healthcare workers in California. “Even if it’s so much lower, it’s still present.”


Multiple states have reported breakthrough cases of COVID including, Washington, Florida, South Carolina, Texas, New York, California and Minnesota, Oregon, Idaho, Nebraska, Louisiana, Utah, North Carolina and Hawaii.

 

[PJ Diaz]

So this is moving our way to the crux of the issue, which is a poor understanding of rights mixed with selfishness. People only know about their rights and then expect the world to protect those rights, but that's not how it works. Only the gov't needs to protect your rights. Full stop. Any other private business or person's rights take priority over yours *when in their domain*. Same as how you can kick someone out of your house for saying something you don't like, that's your right in your domain and everyone knows it. However, people are so effing stupid and selfish these days, they cry about the 1a if someone kicks them out in the reverse situation. People that think this way have failed to understand American freedom at the most basic level.

In addition, consideration for others is mandatory(in a non-mandatory way), if you like freedom. Because freedom allows quite a bit of room to be an asshole and to do shitty, but legal, things. Over time, people choosing to do the bare minimum(i.e. exercising rights in a shitty way), causes everyone else to get sick of it, then laws change and freedom is reduced. Just about every law we have represents a failure of society to do what's right when they don't have to. Having freedom requires doing more than exercising your rights, it requires you to be considerate of other people's rights, even when you don't like it, especially when you don't like it. Because if you don't, then you're not protecting your own rights.

And to sum that up, other people's rights take priority in their domain and if that results in you not being able to go shopping or to the movies, tough shit. If you don't like it, start your own business where you can be in charge of your domain.

1. I work for the government, so all of that applies to my situation
2. I'm very considerate. Have worn masks from the start, even outdoors with people 100-feet away. Getting a vaccine does not make me more considerate. Vaccines protect the individual, your god Fauci said so.

 

[mooray]

1. I work for the government, so all of that applies to my situation
2. I'm very considerate. Have worn masks from the start, even outdoors with people 100-feet away. Getting a vaccine does not make me more considerate. Vaccines protect the individual, your god Fauci said so.

Your gov't employer dictates which private business you shop at?

If you're considerate, then you should be recommending people at least look into the vaccines if they're in a high risk category, or have contact with people in high risk categories.

 

[HaroldRocks]

i didn't think id get much response once i posted some numbers from the other side

 

[go go kid]

without the jab, id be worried about future visits to other countrys.

 

[mooray]

On April 6, The Defender reported that 246 Michigan residents fully vaccinated against COVID were later diagnosed with the virus, resulting in three deaths.


All “breakthrough cases” occurred between Jan. 1 and March 31 in people who tested positive 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series. Of the 117 with hospitalization data entered, 11 were hospitalized, 103 were not hospitalized and three were reported as unknown.


The three people who died were all 65 or older and two “were within three weeks of completion of vaccination.”


On April 8, Kaiser Health News reported that a man died at age 36 of coronavirus, just days after getting his first dose of COVID vaccine. Espinoza fell ill a few days after his first dose on Jan. 5, but went to work thinking it was vaccine-related. His symptoms progressed to a fever and chills and he tested positive for COVIDfive days later. Three weeks later Espinoza had passed away.


“Even after you’re fully vaccinated, there still is a remaining risk,” said Horton, co-author of a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine about post-vaccination infection rates among healthcare workers in California. “Even if it’s so much lower, it’s still present.”


Multiple states have reported breakthrough cases of COVID including, Washington, Florida, South Carolina, Texas, New York, California and Minnesota, Oregon, Idaho, Nebraska, Louisiana, Utah, North Carolina and Hawaii.

Again, I don't think you know what 90% means.