Joe Biden, the good, bad and ugly. Starting with the good.

DIY-HP-LED

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How about Joe's rise from the ashes, an afterthought after a couple primaries, just about written off,UNTIL that one precious lightbulb moment when Dems realized he was the only Dem in pack that could actually WIN, at that precise moment the Dems realized disposing of DONALD was the ISSUE of 2020, lefter policies be damned. CHEETO had to go PLAIN AND SIMPLE and anybody to the left of Joe no matter how shiny and new and progressively thinking was going to give DONALD the socialist/communist tag to play during the election. The Dem party smartened up, put their priorities in order,and made the right call on who to run for President.ccguns
It was the fact that Joe won without the big bucks, he was near broke when Clyburn lifted him up. Bernie respected that more than anything else, the people spoke, not money. The last election gave Bernie pause too, everybody saw the true state of the country and how dangerous the racist fools are. Joe is running left enough for Bernie, Bernie is a progressive and progress takes time and effort, as far as Bernie is concerned it's a start.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think Lincoln was right to show mercy, can you even imagine the BS that would be coming from south of the Mason/Dixon line now had he really put the screws to them.ccguns
Yeah, but there would be fewer of them and they would have had 6 states instead of 13. Racism was just as prevalent in the north as in the south though and there were limits to what could be done. One thing that should have been done was to cut their senate power in half by combining their states with shotgun weddings.
 

CCGNZ

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Yeah, but there would be fewer of them and they would have had 6 states instead of 13. Racism was just as prevalent in the north as in the south though and there were limits to what could be done. One thing that should have been done was to cut their senate power in half by combining their states with shotgun weddings.
I have to admit there have been some real "winners" rep. the south in Senate howbout these 2 southern "gentlemen" Strom Thurmund and Jessie Helms.It is harder now to have to take the 2 senator thing in those lightly pop states in midwest that exert undo influence over matters affecting millions more in heavily pop states.ccguns
 

smokinrav

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They could have at least combined the Carolinas and Virginias. 4 less shithead Senators for this era.
Yes, I know W. Virginia was Union.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I have to admit there have been some real "winners" rep. the south in Senate howbout these 2 southern "gentlemen" Strom Thurmund and Jessie Helms.It is harder now to have to take the 2 senator thing in those lightly pop states in midwest that exert undo influence over matters affecting millions more in heavily pop states.ccguns
People should have rights, not geography.
 

CCGNZ

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It was the fact that Joe won without the big bucks, he was near broke when Clyburn lifted him up. Bernie respected that more than anything else, the people spoke, not money. The last election gave Bernie pause too, everybody saw the true state of the country and how dangerous the racist fools are. Joe is running left enough for Bernie, Bernie is a progressive and progress takes time and effort, as far as Bernie is concerned it's a start.
No doubt, I have trouble visualizing a Bernie Adm. on Foreign Policy issues.ccguns
 

CCGNZ

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People should have rights, not geography.
Yeah, tough call as less pop states would not feel they had a seat at the table if everything was pop based, it's a head scratcher as there are times I feel these low pop states have too much say on pressing issues that affect more people,at the same time what kind of insurrection awaits if heavily pop. states have total control of agenda.ccguns
 

CCGNZ

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They could have at least combined the Carolinas and Virginias. 4 less shithead Senators for this era.
Yes, I know W. Virginia was Union.
It's a tough cat to let out of the bag,I mean once that goes down take a look at my area New England, Rhode Island,really,that's the type of thing rolling that snowball down the mount. will cause.GUARANTEEDccguns
 

schuylaar

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How about Joe's rise from the ashes, an afterthought after a couple primaries, just about written off,UNTIL that one precious lightbulb moment when Dems realized he was the only Dem in pack that could actually WIN, at that precise moment the Dems realized disposing of DONALD was the ISSUE of 2020, lefter policies be damned. CHEETO had to go PLAIN AND SIMPLE and anybody to the left of Joe no matter how shiny and new and progressively thinking was going to give DONALD the socialist/communist tag to play during the election. The Dem party smartened up, put their priorities in order,and made the right call on who to run for President.ccguns
Joe just had the whole Hunter Biden/Ukraine thing but that quickly faded when red realized it wasn't a hoax after all. Sanders clearly had the money and who the people wanted sorry about the Socialist price tag..i understand having food, shelter for working 40 was too steep of a price to pay.

Joe had what this country needed.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's a tough cat to let out of the bag,I mean once that goes down take a look at my area New England, Rhode Island,really,that's the type of thing rolling that snowball down the mount. will cause.GUARANTEEDccguns
Only applies to treasonous states who were outside the protection of the constitution they rejected, they would have had no vote on their fate.
 

injinji

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How about Joe's rise from the ashes, an afterthought after a couple primaries, just about written off,UNTIL that one precious lightbulb moment when Dems realized he was the only Dem in pack that could actually WIN, at that precise moment the Dems realized disposing of DONALD was the ISSUE of 2020, lefter policies be damned. CHEETO had to go PLAIN AND SIMPLE and anybody to the left of Joe no matter how shiny and new and progressively thinking was going to give DONALD the socialist/communist tag to play during the election. The Dem party smartened up, put their priorities in order,and made the right call on who to run for President.ccguns
I think what happened was they went to South Carolina, the first primary with very many black folks. Black voters are pretty moderate, and there are not very many of them in the early primary states. The polls showed Joe as the leader way back when Trumpf did his little song and dance in Ukraine, or he would have gone after some one else.
 

injinji

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. . . . . . . . . . ..It is harder now to have to take the 2 senator thing in those lightly pop states in midwest that exert undo influence over matters affecting millions more in heavily pop states.ccguns
We would not have had a Union in the beginning without the two senator thing. New York and Virginia were the big boys in 1787. None of the small states would agree to joining without protections from those two. The group also agreed to make the debt of the big states communal. Something they had to have in order to join. (they were far deeper in debt after the war)

Here's a quick overview of what went down.

 

HGCC

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I'm a bit critical from the left, but well, Biden has done a fine job with the current issues at hand. I like that he is pulling troops out of the middle east and that he is pro union, his two main jobs were dealing with the Pandemic and not being a stupid embarrassment tweeting conspiracy theories. Done fine on those two.

The play to the center did work for the dems, but I do think they risk alienating the left. Granted we don't have a better alternative, but I do see the dems as being in a fairly weak position and they can't afford to lose support. While they beat trump, overall they didn't do so great in 2020 and fell short of expectations, what happens when Trump isn't at the top of the ticket?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'm a bit critical from the left, but well, Biden has done a fine job with the current issues at hand. I like that he is pulling troops out of the middle east and that he is pro union, his two main jobs were dealing with the Pandemic and not being a stupid embarrassment tweeting conspiracy theories. Done fine on those two.

The play to the center did work for the dems, but I do think they risk alienating the left. Granted we don't have a better alternative, but I do see the dems as being in a fairly weak position and they can't afford to lose support. While they beat trump, overall they didn't do so great in 2020 and fell short of expectations, what happens when Trump isn't at the top of the ticket?
Joe is capturing many independent voters who lean republican and as for the left, does Bernie look unhappy? The nice non threating competent old white man can give progressives and their policies the kind of cover Obama would have dreamed of. Joe can only move as fast as the country is willing to be lead and he is picking the low hanging fruit to divide the GOP from the true moderates and soft republican independents with an eye on 2022. HR-1 and voters rights will help to level the playing field too, but getting shit done will help the most. Give Joe some credit, the Obama administration was largely his creation, 30 years of presidential ambitions caused Joe to make a long list of competent people who filled both administrations, Joe did the bulk of Obama's hiring. The Obama administration was also as clean as a cat's asshole and so will Joe's.
 

hanimmal

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I'm a bit critical from the left, but well, Biden has done a fine job with the current issues at hand. I like that he is pulling troops out of the middle east and that he is pro union, his two main jobs were dealing with the Pandemic and not being a stupid embarrassment tweeting conspiracy theories. Done fine on those two.

The play to the center did work for the dems, but I do think they risk alienating the left. Granted we don't have a better alternative, but I do see the dems as being in a fairly weak position and they can't afford to lose support. While they beat trump, overall they didn't do so great in 2020 and fell short of expectations, what happens when Trump isn't at the top of the ticket?
Then it is a lesser goon like Cruz/Rubio/ect. Biden is old AF, and I had hoped that things would be in a place to allow him to be able to step down after one term, but as long as he is alive it is my guess now that he will be running again in 2024.

The only risk of alienating the left IMO looks to be from cat fishing of right wing trolls convincing people that somehow Biden screwed them over. I know there are a lot of major issues on the table that Trump left because he sucked and was a baby, but Biden doesn't even have most of his cabinet yet (30 out of 108 he has appointed has been confirmed).
 

injinji

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. . . . . . . . . but Biden doesn't even have most of his cabinet yet (30 out of 108 he has appointed has been confirmed).
This is a couple of three weeks old, but I think it's still pretty accurate.

President Joe Biden (D) identified 23 nominees for his Cabinet, a group of senior federal officials who advise the president on the issues and activities of their respective agencies, prior to taking office on January 20, 2021.
As of March 22, 2021:
  • Twenty-one Cabinet members have been confirmed.
  • One nominee has not yet had a confirmation hearing.
  • One nominee was withdrawn from consideration.
 

hanimmal

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This is a couple of three weeks old, but I think it's still pretty accurate.

President Joe Biden (D) identified 23 nominees for his Cabinet, a group of senior federal officials who advise the president on the issues and activities of their respective agencies, prior to taking office on January 20, 2021.
As of March 22, 2021:
  • Twenty-one Cabinet members have been confirmed.
  • One nominee has not yet had a confirmation hearing.
  • One nominee was withdrawn from consideration.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2020/biden-appointee-tracker/
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CCGNZ

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I think what happened was they went to South Carolina, the first primary with very many black folks. Black voters are pretty moderate, and there are not very many of them in the early primary states. The polls showed Joe as the leader way back when Trumpf did his little song and dance in Ukraine, or he would have gone after some one else.
I'd love to see what the last 4yrs. might have been like had Joe ran in 2016, just imagine if the CHEETO yrs. never existedccguns
 

CCGNZ

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Only applies to treasonous states who were outside the protection of the constitution they rejected, they would have had no vote on their fate.
I get punishing the seditious FKS, but actions like that probably result in Civil War #2 or at the very least a gorilla insurgency that would have set back the Union even more most likely w/western expansion already on the plate a even more hostile South is a lot to deal with a victory in the war is one thing, stomping out their hardcore racist beliefs is another.ccguns
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I get punishing the seditious FKS, but actions like that probably result in Civil War #2 or at the very least a gorilla insurgency that would have set back the Union even more most likely w/western expansion already on the plate a even more hostile South is a lot to deal with a victory in the war is one thing, stomping out their hardcore racist beliefs is another.ccguns
You had both a cold civil war and a successful terrorism campaign with the KKK for well over a hundred years.

“You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.' - To Neville Chamberlain”
― Winston Churchill

Compromising your principals for peace is always a bad idea, especially when dealing with the dishonest and dishonorable, though necessary at times.
 
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