Covid-19

cannabineer

cannabineer

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FresnoFarmer said:
Is this how they are reporting normal cases? Why do it only for vaccinated and not those who haven’t taken the jab? No bias? Hmmm....

“As previously announced, CDC is transitioning to reporting only patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection that were hospitalized or died to help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance. That change in reporting will begin on May 14, 2021. In preparation for that transition, the number of reported breakthrough cases will not be updated on May 7, 2021.”
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Simple.
The criterion is breakthrough infection. An unvaccinated person cannot have a breakthrough infection, after all “breaking through what?” Your argument is a straw man.

You perceive bias in scientific methods that you do demonstrably not understand. When the methods are vetted objectively, the bias disappears. Such as the tempest in a teapot about PCR cycle numbers. It is reasonable to assign a cutoff cycle number Ct below which the signal gets lost in noise. This is simple science, but you see ghosts in the shadows suggesting some sort of bias.

What I do not understand is why you are embracing logical contortions now associated with a specific class of MAGAs, sworn enemies of truth and open society.

The GQP has unmasked (!) itself as the Klan Party, working diligently to keep nonwhite men and (special emphasis) women from any power. You are embracing and advancing some of their broken antiscience logic whose primary goal is to keep those uppity brown folk where they belong: poor, broken and subservient.

The real harm, if you run with their antiscience agenda, is to your own family members. The virus doesn’t care. It will gladly infect and either kill or maim your elders, which it has a higher chance of doing as this pathogen is worse for those who are not white.
 
FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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cannabineer said:
Simple.
The criterion is breakthrough infection. An unvaccinated person cannot have a breakthrough infection, after all “breaking through what?” Your argument is a straw man.

You perceive bias in scientific methods that you do demonstrably not understand. When the methods are vetted objectively, the bias disappears. Such as the tempest in a teapot about PCR cycle numbers. It is reasonable to assign a cutoff cycle number Ct below which the signal gets lost in noise. This is simple science, but you see ghosts in the shadows suggesting some sort of bias.

What I do not understand is why you are embracing logical contortions now associated with a specific class of MAGAs, sworn enemies of truth and open society.

The GQP has unmasked (!) itself as the Klan Party, working diligently to keep nonwhite men and (special emphasis) women from any power. You are embracing and advancing some of their broken antiscience logic whose primary goal is to keep those uppity brown folk where they belong: poor, broken and subservient.

The real harm, if you run with their antiscience agenda, is to your own family members. The virus doesn’t care. It will gladly infect and either kill or maim your elders, which it has a higher chance of doing as this pathogen is worse for those who are not white.
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Why are people so obsessed with MAGA folks and Trump? This has nothing to do with them. This has everything to do with designing a study in manner that will favor an agenda.
According to MIT researchers “anti-maskers” aren’t actually anti-science. More like anti-dogma.

"Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution."

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.07993.pdf
 
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Ursus marijanus
FresnoFarmer said:
Why are people so obsessed with MAGA folks and Trump? This has nothing to do with them. This has everything to do with designing a study in manner that will favor an agenda.
According to MIT researchers “anti-maskers” aren’t actually anti-science. More like anti-dogma.

"Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution."

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.07993.pdf
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It is very facile to portray science as a process. This allows the biased outside observer to question every scientific conclusion as open to question. The difficulty here is that the process of question is every bit as vulnerable to the same rational process as the original hypothesis.
 
FresnoFarmer

FresnoFarmer

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cannabineer said:
It is very facile to portray science as a process. This allows the biased outside observer to question every scientific conclusion as open to question. The difficulty here is that the process of question is every bit as vulnerable to the same rational process as the original hypothesis.
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In your opinion.

"They are highly reflexive about the inherently biased nature of any analysis, and resent what they view as the arrogant self-righteousness of scientific elites."
 
FresnoFarmer

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cannabineer said:
My opinion is backed by a Ph.D. in a relevant field, from Princeton University on a topic sharing a fenceline with cleaving genes. What credentials do you bring to the table?
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Weird flex but.....good for you?....

I bring to the table all the research from those who have the same credentials as you or higher. So......
 
FresnoFarmer

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cannabineer said:
I did. It spoke about the repurposing of scientific terminology by ideology-driven nonscientists to legitimize their agenda. Did you miss or dismiss that part?
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It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that. What I want to know is if you actual read the full article then how did you miss the portions I quoted?
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

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If someone is fully vaccinated can they still be a carrier infecting and spreading Covid 19? Or are the chances so remote you don’t need to mask up?
 
raratt

raratt

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"“A vaccinated person controls the virus better, so the chances of transmitting will be greatly reduced,” said Dr. Robert Gallo a virus expert at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

Among the evidence so far: Studies suggesting if people do get infected despite vaccination, they harbor less coronavirus in the nose than the unvaccinated. That makes it harder to spread."
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

Dr.Amber Trichome

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raratt said:
"“A vaccinated person controls the virus better, so the chances of transmitting will be greatly reduced,” said Dr. Robert Gallo a virus expert at the University of Maryland School of Medicine.

Among the evidence so far: Studies suggesting if people do get infected despite vaccination, they harbor less coronavirus in the nose than the unvaccinated. That makes it harder to spread."
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What if I get another shot? Like a triple jab, does that make me level less likely to spread? Triple jabbers need to speak up . I know they are out there.
 
cannabineer

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Ursus marijanus
FresnoFarmer said:
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that. What I want to know is if you actual read the full article then how did you miss the portions I quoted?
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I read it.

The article illustrates the fallacy you are espousing, which hinges on the use of scientific terminology without the education needed to use it right.

This allows the appearance of making a complex and legitimate argument, when they are actually backing a specious one. Without the actual scientific education, they are unrestrained from seeing their error.

That was the point of the article.
 
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