Tesla New Model Unveil...

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — There are more than 250,000 jobs available in Tennessee right now, but only 3% of the jobs posted, pay $20,000 or more. The federal poverty line for a family of three is just under $22,000.

And there lies the fucking problem. $22,000 for three???? Fuck try one! I would love to see one of those employers try it for 6 months. It should be mandated that jobs pay a living wage, “they” won’t do it otherwise.
 

doublejj

Well-Known Member
And there lies the fucking problem. $22,000 for three???? Fuck try one! I would love to see one of those employers try it for 6 months. It should be mandated that jobs pay a living wage, “they” won’t do it otherwise.
The typical Tesla Assembly Line Worker salary is $21. Assembly Line Worker salaries at Tesla can range from $19 - $25
 

CatHedral

Well-Known Member
Pretty much the same with every auto manufacturer. You must loath Volkswagen and others for what they did then. And thanks for the somewhat of an apology for the “dishonest” remark......
I am not pleased with Volkswagen massaging their mileage numbers, if that is what you mean.

Allow me to be plain: I apologize. What I did was not fair to you.
 

CatHedral

Well-Known Member
Is Tesla pumping up its numbers more than other EV manufacturers? Seems to me that they all put the very best numbers forward but they have to show how they got them and there are test standards that they have to meet. As that article you posted said, it's natural to see 20% swings simply due to changes in air temperature. To what end? We can split hairs on EV mileage specs all we want and still, bicycles are cleaner tech than EV's.

The thing is, I wasn't trying to sell Tesla based upon those numbers. I was responding to @mooray 's assertion that because Tesla at full throttle "used as much power in 30 miles as a household does in a single day" means it is dirty tech. His complaints could be applied to all EV and many aren't true. In that context, a more realistic 3.x miles per kWH still makes my point.

Regarding Tesla as a car company. I'm repelled by the hype and waiting for the next shoe to drop regarding that company. From what I can tell, i it can go either way, up or down. The hype and Musk's own weirdness are also driving a lot of irrational hate on the company. There is a lot of froth surrounding that company and I'm not buying into the hype one way or the other.
The "full throttle" phrase fails because in the real world that will have you impact-welded to the rear bumper of a truck before mile three.

Bicycles are good in their place, but as intercity commuters they sort of suck. I live near the west coast, where public transport is not a viable choice. If local bus and train lines allowed one to bring a bicycle on board at zero added charge, that could actually work.

Otherwise I believe that you and I see things similarly.

As I live on the west coast, one of my most basic negative reactions to electric charging does not apply. We don't use much coal power. Elsewhere in the nation, driving an electric that draws significant power from burning coal is a lot less green than it looks.
 

doublejj

Well-Known Member
Tesla Model Y Demand Shoots Up, Long Range Variant Nearly Sold Out for Q3
 

doublejj

Well-Known Member
Tesla’s battery tech shines as new Model S Long Range gets stellar EPA rating
The 2021 Tesla Model S Long Range received a stellar EPA rating of 405 miles of total range with a combined city/highway MPGe of 120. Tesla’s Model S Long Range refresh showcased the company’s improving battery technology throughout the years.
 

TacoMac

Well-Known Member
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
This is the real future of clean energy vehicles. Hydrogen fuel cells. Tesla is using old battery technology that is no greener than just a plain old internal combustion vehicle when you take into account the nasty pollution and environmental destruction to mine the metals used for the batteries. Those up north in Canada have likely seen the destruction caused by nickel mining and the pollution to bodies of water it can cause. Then there are the other metals they use being mined with forced child labor in Africa. Some may call Tesla a green car company but that's far from the truth when you peek under the hood. It's just another company exploiting whatever and whoever it can.

Tesla's technology is not the future. The first battery was invented in 1800. It's old technology. Hydrogen is the future and is 1000 times greener than a Tesla and the nasty batteries they use that create a significant amount of pollution and destruction to the environment to produce. The other major car manufacturers are all working on hydrogen fuel cell vehicles while Tesla is stuck with old battery technology and sidetracked with their self driving nonsense.


Jaguar Land Rover says it’s developing a hydrogen-powered prototype vehicle (msn.com)


 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
This is the real future of clean energy vehicles. Hydrogen fuel cells. Tesla is using old battery technology that is no greener than just a plain old internal combustion vehicle when you take into account the nasty pollution and environmental destruction to mine the metals used for the batteries. Those up north in Canada have likely seen the destruction caused by nickel mining and the pollution to bodies of water it can cause. Then there are the other metals they use being mined with forced child labor in Africa. Some may call Tesla a green car company but that's far from the truth when you peek under the hood. It's just another company exploiting whatever and whoever it can.

Tesla's technology is not the future. The first battery was invented in 1800. It's old technology. Hydrogen is the future and is 1000 times greener than a Tesla and the nasty batteries they use that create a significant amount of pollution and destruction to the environment to produce. The other major car manufacturers are all working on hydrogen fuel cell vehicles while Tesla is stuck with old battery technology and sidetracked with their self driving nonsense.


Jaguar Land Rover says it’s developing a hydrogen-powered prototype vehicle (msn.com)



Fuel cell tech might replace natural gas for niche users who are already converted to gas. For the consumer car market, hydrogen fuel cells are simply too inefficient compared to batteries:

Fuel cells: start with 100 Watts and at best, 38 Watts are delivered to the consumer-driver

1623876562387.png

EV: start with 100 Watts and 80 Watts are delivered to the consumer-driver
1623876587558.png

 
Top