Purple queen auto getting too bushy?

[mtnbob75]

Hi everyone. First time growing purple queen auto from seed (RQS). Soil, humidity, light and temperature are good. These are in their 3d week of flowering and, man, there is a LOT of green bushiness happening. It's making me unsure of whether the many bud sites will fully develop in the time they have left. I have read so much conflicting info about whether to trim leaves or not, whether to feed autos or not ... Kind of inclined to just let them be and see what happens because I'm curious by nature, but wondering if thinning them out a bit, or a lot, or giving them some bloom boost nutrients might make a difference.

 

[Yande]

You can look at as a learning experience. Not sure your overall experience, but I am in my first grow (for a long time), and I was told, just let them be, and then learn from that. But, I can't sit idle, so would have been plucking and trimming yours days, if not weeks ago. But I no nothing, except that light needs to get to those buds.. Otherwise, your grow is wasted, to some degree. Hopefully someone that knows more will chime in for ya!

 

[Star Dog]

there is a LOT of green bushiness happening. It's making me unsure of whether the many bud sites will fully develop in the time they have left.

They don't have a limited time to be ready, ignore the breeders notes and let them mature without a time frame.

Others have different views about removing leafs, I'll give you my 2p.

Without leafs there's no growth, photosynthesis is dependent on them, as well as collecting light they absorb CO2, breath out moisture (transpiration) helping to maintain temperature and pulling up fresh nutrient from the roots, store food which they then turn into usable sugars.

Leafs covering multiple sites need removing, lower shoots that aren't going to come to anything need removing.
Select leaf removal is the phrase I think, shwazing/demolition of foliage or whatever is idiotic imo.

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

That is usually why I top mine after the third node and train outwards. It doesn't really do any harm to let it grow naturally, I just like to give each head there own air space for circulation reasons. Less chance of getting any bud rot, canopy gets better penetration and light distribution. I also enjoy messing around...find it strangely therapeutic. I generally remove anything under the main canopy that doesn't get adequate light, but leave as many leaves on as I can.

Two autoflowers (GDP on the right, blackberry gum on the left) Day 43 from seed, topped after third node, in a 120x60.

 

[mtnbob75]

there is a LOT of green bushiness happening. It's making me unsure of whether the many bud sites will fully develop in the time they have left.

They don't have a limited time to be ready, ignore the breeders notes and let them mature without a time frame.

Others have different views about removing leafs, I'll give you my 2p.

Without leafs there's no growth, photosynthesis is dependent on them, as well as collecting light they absorb CO2, breath out moisture (transpiration) helping to maintain temperature and pulling up fresh nutrient from the roots, store food which they then turn into usable sugars.

Leafs covering multiple sites need removing, lower shoots that aren't going to come to anything need removing.
Select leaf removal is the phrase I think, shwazing/demolition of foliage or whatever is idiotic imo.

Thanks! That seems a reasonable and prudent course.

 

[mtnbob75]

That is usually why I top mine after the third node and train outwards. It doesn't really do any harm to let it grow naturally, I just like to give each head there own air space for circulation reasons. Less chance of getting any bud rot, canopy gets better penetration and light distribution. I also enjoy messing around...find it strangely therapeutic. I generally remove anything under the main canopy that doesn't get adequate light, but leave as many leaves on as I can.
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Two autoflowers (GDP on the right, blackberry gum on the left) Day 43 from seed, topped after third node, in a 120x60.

Thank you, that grow looks gorgeous!

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

TLDR from my last post, I find training more effective than defol when it comes to cramped plants.

 

[mtnbob75]

TLDR from my last post, I find training more effective than defol when it comes to cramped plants.

Yeah, my three are a little cramped in a 1mX1M. Was planning on putting these outside but my friend with the garden bailed on me.

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

there is a LOT of green bushiness happening. It's making me unsure of whether the many bud sites will fully develop in the time they have left.

They don't have a limited time to be ready, ignore the breeders notes and let them mature without a time frame.

Others have different views about removing leafs, I'll give you my 2p.

Without leafs there's no growth, photosynthesis is dependent on them, as well as collecting light they absorb CO2, breath out moisture (transpiration) helping to maintain temperature and pulling up fresh nutrient from the roots, store food which they then turn into usable sugars.

Leafs covering multiple sites need removing, lower shoots that aren't going to come to anything need removing.
Select leaf removal is the phrase I think, shwazing/demolition of foliage or whatever is idiotic imo.

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That is some serious bush right there.

 

[Star Dog]

That is some serious bush right there.

Cheers dude!

 

[mtnbob75]

So while I'm here, a somewhat related question on this autos. I was finishing a photoperiod plant as these Purple Queen autos were vegging. Now the photoperiod plant is gone and I'm wondering if it makes any sense to increase the lighting time for these autos. I'm not a geneticist, but it seems really hard to believe that a plant with only 5% Ruderalis is completely insensitive to the photoperiod, but like I said, I'm not a geneticist

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Hi everyone. First time growing purple queen auto from seed (RQS). Soil, humidity, light and temperature are good. These are in their 3d week of flowering and, man, there is a LOT of green bushiness happening. It's making me unsure of whether the many bud sites will fully develop in the time they have left. I have read so much conflicting info about whether to trim leaves or not, whether to feed autos or not ... Kind of inclined to just let them be and see what happens because I'm curious by nature, but wondering if thinning them out a bit, or a lot, or giving them some bloom boost nutrients might make a difference.View attachment 4932995View attachment 4932996View attachment 4932997View attachment 4932998

What u might not of read is that instead of removing leaves tuck them behind the bud sites!

Tadah!

 

[mtnbob75]

What u might not of read is that instead of removing leaves tuck them behind the bud sites!

Tadah!

I have read that, and have done it with other plants, but these are quite a bit leafier than any others I've grown, too many leaves to tuck them all.

 

[Nutty sKunK]

I have read that, and have done it with other plants, but these are quite a bit leafier than any others I've grown, too many leaves to tuck them all.

Fans leaves should avoid being tucked or chopped. They are the powerhouses.

Sugar leaves can be selectively pruned as the don’t photosynthesise as much and often block light.

Don’t defoliate for a while as you won’t see any gains from it. When some orange hairs start appearing you can open up the canopy somewhat to allow more light on them. Keep them fan leaves!

Your plant is healthy and that in itself is what you are trying to achieve! The buds will come in time.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

That is some serious bush right there.

Did someone say bush?

 

[xtsho]

Why do people always want to chop off their plant leaves? It might look cool with nothing but buds and no leaves but the leaves power the plant to produce big buds. I don't cut anything and end up with huge buds and yields in a 4x4 with just a 600 watt HID. Any larf I just strip off and use for dry ice hash. Cutting off your leaves isn't going to lead to bigger yields. In fact it can reduce your final yield.

Photosynthesis occurs in the leaves and it's not broscience it's real science.

 

[xtsho]

So while I'm here, a somewhat related question on this autos. I was finishing a photoperiod plant as these Purple Queen autos were vegging. Now the photoperiod plant is gone and I'm wondering if it makes any sense to increase the lighting time for these autos. I'm not a geneticist, but it seems really hard to believe that a plant with only 5% Ruderalis is completely insensitive to the photoperiod, but like I said, I'm not a geneticist

That plant doesn't need a single leaf removed.

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Why do people always want to chop off their plant leaves? It might look cool with nothing but buds and no leaves but the leaves power the plant to produce big buds. I don't cut anything and end up with huge buds and yields in a 4x4 with just a 600 watt HID. Any larf I just strip off and use for dry ice hash. Cutting off your leaves isn't going to lead to bigger yields. In fact it can reduce your final yield.

Photosynthesis occurs in the leaves and it's not broscience it's real science.

Must be YouTube haha Nice healthy ladies there man! Are you running your carbon filter on the floor? Reason I ask is I see that ducting coming down to the floor.

Ive been contemplating moving it from the roof to the floor as it’s limiting how high I can put my new LED light since its massive (the light)

 

[xtsho]

Must be YouTube haha Nice healthy ladies there man! Are you running your carbon filter on the floor? Reason I ask is I see that ducting coming down to the floor.

Ive been contemplating moving it from the roof to the floor as it’s limiting how high I can put my new LED light since its massive (the light)

No my filter is at the top. I go filter-fan-hood. I run HID. That duct hanging down goes into the attic and outside under the soffit. The end was plugged. The photo was taken when it was cold during the winter when I just vented back into the unheated garage where my tent is. I switch back and forth depending on the time of the year. When it's hot I vent outside. When it's cold I vent back into the garage because I want the heat. One of the reasons I like HID's. The heat is actually good at certain times of the year.

 

[Nutty sKunK]

No my filter is at the top. I go filter-fan-hood. I run HID. That duct hanging down goes into the attic and outside under the soffit. The end was plugged. The photo was taken when it was cold during the winter when I just vented back into the unheated garage where my tent is. I switch back and forth depending on the time of the year. When it's hot I vent outside. When it's cold I vent back into the garage because I want the heat. One of the reasons I like HID's. The heat is actually good at certain times of the year.

Ah Kk. Yeah I’m going to have to work out something as I exhaust outside the grow room. Taking all that moisture and heat with it when it can be 20% humidity in the house during a cold dry spell in winter. Since LEDs run cooler I might just exhaust back into the room but keep the fan up there to reduce noise.

Never used LEDs before so will more than likely run into some issues