DJ SHORT BLUEBERRY FROM SEED, FIRST TIME GROW!! (updated daily)

[yoyoyojoe]

I think I am just going to do the 1 month veg and try to have 12. I have been told from some people that with one light you can do either 6 big ones or 12 little ones, I might just have to try each scenario to get it right. I think I am going to go with the 12 at first if I can.

 

[maxivenezuela]

I think I am just going to do the 1 month veg and try to have 12. I have been told from some people that with one light you can do either 6 big ones or 12 little ones, I might just have to try each scenario to get it right. I think I am going to go with the 12 at first if I can.

Theres no actual limit or rule, thats all depinding on the light, the reflector, how long you veg them, what kind of plant/strain, the tecnics you use to trim them or to tie them down, the space in the closet, the fans, and a lot more factors. And last but not least it depends on how full do you like or are you able to handle your closet, and if you love all around nice and healthy plants or if you don't care if some plants or lower parts don't get all the light they would need...



About the Sex:
If you Veg them for more then 4-5 weeks, you maybe can figure out wich are the female ones before changing light to 12/12 but still I wouldn't throw away the others or just take clones from the best probably female Plant, 'couse it's not 100%
You can see it if they get something like #1 on the pics I postet yesterday. Forget this the males are more tall bullshit, there are lots of other reasons that make a plant more tall then the others, it has always to be male.

 

[yoyoyojoe]

Theres no actual limit or rule, thats all depinding on the light, the reflector, how long you veg them, what kind of plant/strain, the tecnics you use to trim them or to tie them down, the space in the closet, the fans, and a lot more factors. And last but not least it depends on how full do you like or are you able to handle your closet, and if you love all around nice and healthy plants or if you don't care if some plants or lower parts don't get all the light they would need...



About the Sex:
If you Veg them for more then 4-5 weeks, you maybe can figure out wich are the female ones before changing light to 12/12 but still I wouldn't throw away the others or just take clones from the best probably female Plant, 'couse it's not 100%
You can see it if they get something like #1 on the pics I postet yesterday. Forget this the males are more tall bullshit, there are lots of other reasons that make a plant more tall then the others, it has always to be male.

Well I will be honest max I really need to get the best yield out of everything. But I do respect the plant and I want to be able to treat them the best and make them as healthy as possible. If from what you have seen and heard about my set up, can you please tell me what is the best method to get yield from.

 

[DeweyKox]

I would say scrog it & hydro it! or you could do the Al B Fuct Style which is what I will be doing.

 

[yoyoyojoe]

Plants are looking real good and healthy. It has been hot the last week so the temperature has pretty much stayed about 83 with the lights on and about 78 with them off. The humidity is still low around 30 but I cant quite seem to raise it with just putting water in the room.

I know I am only two weeks into veg but I have a feeling that I should be able to tell the sex. The plants had been under a flourecent for about a month before I started this two week veg. So dont you all think sex should be determined or do I have to wait the full 4 weeks of vegging with the 600?

 

[DeweyKox]

Well, I have not had a batch that ever showed sex during veg except for my current one that are 7 weeks. And only one is showing. I was not expecting to find out till flower time. But the others look normal for vegging. You may never find out till flower which is usually what you have to do.

 

[maxivenezuela]

I was doing a little research about those Blueberry from DJ Short, and I've seen they are supposed to be 80%Indica.
Sativa after 5 weeks usually show if they are female, Indica usually don't show it, so I guess Blueberry is not gonna show you.

Wait 'till you can take 5 clones of each Plant and put the big ones into flower after doing so. When they show their Sex, throw away the males and their clones, and select 1 or 2 mothers out of them...

For further on theres lot's of different ways to go.
I everytime would use 15-20 clones, and just veg them till they are a little less then a foot tall(25-30cm), and put them into 3,5L buckets for flowering, square buckets are the best if you can get some.
In total those indica's will get about 2 feet, if you do so, maybe even a little less.
With more plants but small plants you can get lots of good weed very fast, almost all comercial growers in europe do so.
Usually you will have healthy plant's this way 'couse even the low leafs and buds will get enough light.

 

[yoyoyojoe]

Max again coming through in the clutch with the great idea. I actually just checked my pots and they are 3.4 liter pots. I think the plan should be to veg for another 2 weeks. Then take 6 clones from each. Take 1 clone from each set of the 6 and veg those for a week and then flower just so we can tell the sex. Then I will pick 12 female clones (hopefuly I have 3 females) and then start to flower those after I find out the sex. This way I can keep the mother poants straight from seed.

I heard that it is better to keep the mother from the seed because it doesnt loose potency.

Also what height should my current plants be at before I cloan.

Let me know what you guys think.

 

[yoyoyojoe]

Ok everyone. I have been looking for a great format to give updates in and from searching from some of my fellow posters I believe I will have to thank DEWEYKOX for giving me such a great update template. DEWEY I hope you keep following, as will I and only hope that using your format will make it easier for everyone. THANKS AGAIN DEWEY


Date: 11/18 9:00 PM
Cycle: VEG Day 18
Total Days: 32 (Rooting of the seeds took two weeks)

Room Conditions:
LIGHTS (600 W HPS) ON 18/6 (4:30 PM to 10:30AM )
Distance from top of Growing Medium 15"
Temperature – 82F Current, 78F-91 F Last 12 Hours
Humidity - 34% 28-37% Last 12 hours
Room/Light vent running-YES
Small room fan 24/0

Nutrient Solution:
SUPERthrive & Fox Farm Grow Big, Big Bloom

Everything seems to be going real well. I have noticed a lot of change the past couple days. I had one plant that was smaller than the other and struggling a bit but when I added the fox farm to the soil it seems to start to be catching up. I have gotten a lot of great suggestions so keep em coming.

 

[maxivenezuela]

Max again coming through in the clutch with the great idea. I actually just checked my pots and they are 3.4 liter pots. I think the plan should be to veg for another 2 weeks. Then take 6 clones from each. Take 1 clone from each set of the 6 and veg those for a week and then flower just so we can tell the sex. Then I will pick 12 female clones (hopefuly I have 3 females) and then start to flower those after I find out the sex. This way I can keep the mother poants straight from seed.

I heard that it is better to keep the mother from the seed because it doesnt loose potency.

Also what height should my current plants be at before I cloan.

Let me know what you guys think.

It's not about the height, you can take clones when there are enough branches the size you want for your clones, and for shure there must be enough of the mother left so it can recover and build new branches fast.

I recomend to use the head of your plants for a clone too, so mothers won't get too high, it's usually the best clone, and your mother will get two heads for the next time.


Clones are the same age as their mothers, the first few month they gain potency, then very very slowly they start to loose a little bit of potency.
But it's better if you use the plants from seeds as mothers, becouse sometimes anything wents wrong and further clones start to cripple or get hermies very easy, but its not usual and every more clones you take from a mother than more clones you can take the next time, if you would start to make a mother from a clone this would need a long time 'till it's a "good" mother.

Even if it's possible to use a mother for several years, after a year or so usually it's better to make some new mothers if you wish you can do it from clones(keep in mind very slowly they are loosing potency) or you just buy other Seeds.
For shure when you are going to do so, flower you former mothers, they will bring more buds than any other plant.

What kind of light are you going to use for your mothers?

 

[yoyoyojoe]

I was planning on using 430 hps for future veg and mothers. The 600 will be just for flowering, I am just trying to set up a cycle. Any suggestions on the cycle if I plan to do 12 plants. I was thinking of harvesting 3 every two weeks. That way I will be able to do a great cycle. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS MY FRIENDS?

 

[MrHowardMarks]

Both my Blueberries showed sex after 6 weeks, but none of the Superskunks showed, gonna have to test flower a bunch...

 

[maxivenezuela]

every 3 weeks? don't harvest too early you will loose quantity...

If you wish to do every 3,5-4 weeks 12 plants than you will need 24Plants and you will have to put half of your plants on top of something 'couse they should all be at the same distance to the HPS...

It's possible if 24 pots fit in the closet(get square ones!) and you keep the plants small, but maybe you will have to modify your reflector a little bit, but no big deal^^
For shure you can make it less Plants, what ever fits in the closet.

If you really wanna use 400W just to veg them, nice, but better use metal halide then HPS to veg them, the bulb just costs a little bit more, the rest is the same!
To save energy if you are just gonna veg little clones to 25-30cm for a see of green, you can also use a 180W or 200W CFL with a good reflector!
For your clones and mothers under the same light, you need to build something to put your clones on top of it...
It's the same thing like with different size flowering plants, same distance to the light is required.

Anyway if all plants are the same strain anyway, you soon will not need more then 1-2 small mothers to get all the clones you need, couse everytime you cut clones you can cut more the next time from the same mother and this goes really fast after a while.

A friend in Germany, is throwing away lots of clones and gives clones for free to good friends, 'couse he can't use all his clones!
He just has two mothers.(Ed' Rosenthal Superbud and White Skunk)
He uses 7x36W 1,2m flourescents, for rooting his clones, for his mothers, and to veg the little girls.
He uses 2x600W HPS for flowering.
He has usually has about 50 plants flowering, harvesting some every 14 days, at 8weeks flowering...

I'll attach a drawing of my friends equip, you could build almost the same 18/6 area, and use your closet like half of his flowering room.

 

[yoyoyojoe]

Hey Max,
I understand that I have to have the different layers. The one thing that I am confused about now is why I need 24 plants. I think that I could just do 3 plants every 2 weeks.

If there are 12 plants
3 will be in the 1-2 week
3 will be in the 3-4 week
3 will be in the 5-6 week
3 will be in the 7-8 week

I dont see why you couldnt do this with just 12 plants. I mean I dont think with 1 600W I would be able to do 24 plants. Granted I think there is plenty of room but I think that is to many under 1 light. Let me know why you think the 12 plant system wont work cause I am kind of confused on that. But I do understand what you are talking about the levels, I know they need to be on the same height level.

Also I have total 4 lights, 2 430's and 2 600's but right now I only have room for 1 600, the other 3 are just sitting around collecting dust. I am moving in a couple of months and I am going to try to find the ideal spot to where I can have 3 different areas, 1 clone and mother, 1 veg and one flower room.

Do you also think it is a problem that I am vegging under a 600 W right now? Is that to much heat, should I be using some strong flourecents instead? Also why MH for vegging? And what do you mean by modifying my reflector?

And what is the consensus on the sexing, should I wait 6 weeks of veg time, take clones at around 4 weeks so they can root, or should I just flower a clone thats been vegging a week and try to find out.

 

[maxivenezuela]

Hey Max,
I understand that I have to have the different layers. The one thing that I am confused about now is why I need 24 plants. I think that I could just do 3 plants every 2 weeks.

If there are 12 plants
3 will be in the 1-2 week
3 will be in the 3-4 week
3 will be in the 5-6 week
3 will be in the 7-8 week

I dont see why you couldnt do this with just 12 plants. I mean I dont think with 1 600W I would be able to do 24 plants. Granted I think there is plenty of room but I think that is to many under 1 light. Let me know why you think the 12 plant system wont work cause I am kind of confused on that. But I do understand what you are talking about the levels, I know they need to be on the same height level.

Also I have total 4 lights, 2 430's and 2 600's but right now I only have room for 1 600, the other 3 are just sitting around collecting dust. I am moving in a couple of months and I am going to try to find the ideal spot to where I can have 3 different areas, 1 clone and mother, 1 veg and one flower room.

Do you also think it is a problem that I am vegging under a 600 W right now? Is that to much heat, should I be using some strong flourecents instead? Also why MH for vegging? And what do you mean by modifying my reflector?

And what is the consensus on the sexing, should I wait 6 weeks of veg time, take clones at around 4 weeks so they can root, or should I just flower a clone thats been vegging a week and try to find out.

I wouldn't do 4 layers with 1 Light... rather just two layers 1-4 and 5-8 week flowering...

I would do more than 12 Plants keeping them low.
I said 24 'couse I thought you want to harvest 12 everytime you harvest, for shure ya can take less if you want to do so.
24 Plants with a modified reflector like yours or something like the "adjust-a-wing" reflector is no problem with 600W there's eneugh light. You just have to start flower them at about 25cm(clones you could even flower lower, seed plants at least nedd about a foot) so they will just reach about 0,5m, this wil maximize your harvest and there's no problem at all for your plants!


There's no Problem to veg them unter 600W HPS, they even sell some HPS with spectre optimized for veging and others for both veging and flowering, but any HPS will work!
But with a metal halide plants grow faster an more pretty, and CFL or flourescents can save energy, but you have to use the correct ones and use them the right way, otherwise your plants will stech...


I would even take 2 clones(maybe one is not gonna root^^) each plant pretty soon(do it right now if allready possible) instead of waiting 'till you can take your 6 clones each plant.
After rooting them and veging them very few days, put them to flower, so you don't even have to take the 6 clones of your males, that might save you lots of work, rockwool, and rooting hormones, and you will know how many clones to take from each mother to get as many clones as you wish for your first cycle!

 

[yoyoyojoe]

Thanks Max,
So the best bet would be to do a once a mounth cycle, I think I can fit more than 12 under, because the closet is small the light pretty much strtches all the way across my width, which means that the light spectrum is deff there, I dont think I would need a modified hood, I feel like the light is covering the whole area.

I am going to take pictures of each plant this afternoon and post them so that you can tell me if you think they are ready for cloan. I know I can prolly take them now but I just want an experts opinion.

 

[maxivenezuela]

When you upload pictures, please take some of the 2 lowest branches, anyway if those branches have got at least 4 pairs of leaves so that you can cut 3 pairs and let one at the plant it's a good moment to use them for the 2 test clones per plant.
There are tecnics to make very small clones aswell, but how you need to force them to flower very as soon, I guess it's better if they allready have certians size.

I guess you know how to clone, if not, just google for a cloning guide

If you will just about flower about 12 Plants(6 per month), than you should veg those mostly indica cuttlings to 35-40cm(not with flo's or cfl, better use hps or metal halide in this case) they will usually not even double their size during the flowering period anyway.

You will need just one mother for that few clones, it's better anyway to have just one mother or in case you need more later on make a second mother from a clone, so all plants will grow and flower the same speed and size, and need the same nuts.
Find out wich mother is the one that gives you the best clones you like most, than you can flower the others...

 

[yoyoyojoe]

UPDATED PICS OF THE BABIES!!!
Hey guys,
Here are the pics of the babies at about 3 weeks into veg. Trying to get some advice on weather or not to clip a few clones from each.

LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK, There is a back shot and then a close up of each. The first one I didnt have a profile pic of so it starts just with its close up.

 

[plantsinpants]

YUMMMMMMY blueberry is the plant that i respect the most out of the 10 strains i grew,,, 2 years back i had 2 blueberrys outdoors and got 9oz on one and 6 on the other,,, an oz short of a pound on 2 plants mmmmmmmmmmmm gotta luv blueberry

 

[yoyoyojoe]

YUMMMMMMY blueberry is the plant that i respect the most out of the 10 strains i grew,,, 2 years back i had 2 blueberrys outdoors and got 9oz on one and 6 on the other,,, an oz short of a pound on 2 plants mmmmmmmmmmmm gotta luv blueberry

That sounds awesome. How long did it take to grow that, also would love to hear what you thought about how mine look.