FlushingVsNotFlushing & Chlorophyll Breakdown (Help a fellow Newbie/wanabie Gromie)

DrOgkush

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Sparky413 said:
that's not what I'm referring to when i said "fade". I used the wrong terminology. I'm not sure how to explain it, are you familiar with the natural marijuana flowering cycle, where the leaves naturally yellow and fall off? That's what i'm talking about, when you don't get that because you are overfeeding you are going to have too much chlorophyll and chloroplast in the leaf material that you smoke that is all around the bud, and is going to take longer to cure
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That's not the way it works tho. The plant only takes in what it can. After that it burns or locks out
 
Dank Bongula

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Sparky413 said:
I'm just saying, when you starve the plant it forces the plant to use up the chlorophyll and chloroplast as food. If you were overfeeding with synthetic nute and your plants is more green than she would be naturally she is going to take much longer to cure if you don't flush her. I've acknowledge that the end product wouldn't be as good. Do you have any research papers that disputes that?
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Do you have any research papers that discuss using chlorophyll as an energy source? My understanding is they (A&B, not sure what the other 4 do, but they become food, somehow) convert light energy into chemical energy and do not actually become energy themselves. Hope this ain't a dumb question, but if you are flushing all the chlorophyll out, how do the electrons in the chlorophyll (that is no longer there) make the transfer to the acceptor molecule?
 
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Hollatchaboy

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xtsho said:
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Do it.... just do it! Lol
 
xtsho

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Sparky413 said:
that's not what I'm referring to when i said "fade". I used the wrong terminology. I'm not sure how to explain it, are you familiar with the natural marijuana flowering cycle, where the leaves naturally yellow and fall off? That's what i'm talking about, when you don't get that because you are overfeeding you are going to have too much chlorophyll and chloroplast in the leaf material that you smoke that is all around the bud, and is going to take longer to cure
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Yes cannabis is typically grown as an annual but with intervention can be kept growing for years. When grown as an annual it will eventually start to die and the leaves will yellow and die. But a plant can be fully ripe and ready to harvest without getting to the point where the leaves are yellowing and dying.

The "Fade" is just cannabis broscience and has nothing to do with actual science. Thinking that because the leaves are yellow that all these nutrients and chlorophyll. are gone and the weed is better is not true. Just think about Mexican brick weed. It's brown without a trace of this green chlorophyll yet it tastes like garbage compared to weed that is green. So think about that.

Anyway, I have to commend you for staying civil and not going on a name calling tangent like so many others have considering the fact that you're debating multiple individuals with views different than yours. That's cool . Not that it matters but you're OK in my book.

:peace:
 
Sparky413

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curious2garden said:
The tobacco growers taught us about Chlorophyll and drying. They take their drying much further than we take ours. To the point they have to add back natural sugars. By not taking our drying that far we retain more of the carbohydrates. Which leads to a better tasting smoke.

"The first curing step common for all tobacco types is the “yellowing stage,” which is the color change that results from chlorophyll degradation that starts as soon as the green leaves start to dry."

You don't need to starve your plant. The normal drying process removes chlorophyll. But I would postulate that smoking a green pigment isn't harsh. Harsh smoke is usually related to water retention in incompletely dried Cannabis.

I hope that helped.
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I postulate differently, to me smoking a greener pigment is harsher than smoking a lesser green. 27 years of first hand scientific experimentation lead me to believe this. Interesting study and I'm sure everything is correct but doesn't disprove any of what i'm saying. Different cultivars taste differently at different cure stages, I guess it's something that can't really be proven, it's too subjective. We have different taste. I don't flush, the weed, it isn't as developed and not as good, I grow organic. I just can see it's application. I've had weed that took 4 months before it was smoke able because I overfeed and didn't flush. I grew a clone of her that was delicious much earlier when grown organically, she took up nutrients how she wanted and the leaf material wasn't nearly as green. Agree to postulate differently.
 
curious2garden

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Dank Bongula said:
Do you have any research papers that discuss using chlorophyll as an energy source? My understanding is they (A&B, not sure what the other 4 do, but according to you they become food, somehow) convert light energy into chemical energy and do not actually become energy themselves. Hope this ain't a dumb question, but if you are flushing all the chlorophyll out, how do the electrons in the chlorophyll (that is no longer there) make the transfer to the acceptor molecule?
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Chlorophyll, which is the green pigment, contained within the chloroplasts absorbs certain spectrums of light and via photosynthesis;
1. Uses CO2 + H2O = Glucose, in turn it uses
2. Glucose + nutrients to create plant structures

The byproduct is O2 which is expired by the plant into the air. At night the plant halts photosynthesis and uses O2.

Chlorophyll is shed during the drying process (tobacco research demonstrated that).
 
Sparky413

Sparky413

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Dank Bongula said:
Do you have any research papers that discuss using chlorophyll as an energy source? My understanding is they (A&B, not sure what the other 4 do, but they become food, somehow) convert light energy into chemical energy and do not actually become energy themselves. Hope this ain't a dumb question, but if you are flushing all the chlorophyll out, how do the electrons in the chlorophyll (that is no longer there) make the transfer to the acceptor molecule?
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It is a dumb question. Obviously I wouldn't know or literally care. You can literally observe the plant having less chlorophyll. I don't really care what happens to the chlorophyll as long as I don't smoke it.
 
Sparky413

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curious2garden said:
Chlorophyll, which is the green pigment, contained within the chloroplasts absorbs certain spectrums of light and via photosynthesis;
1. Uses CO2 + H2O = Glucose, in turn it uses
2. Glucose + nutrients to create plant structures

The byproduct is O2 which is expired by the plant into the air. At night the plant halts photosynthesis and uses O2.

Chlorophyll is shed during the drying process (tobacco research demonstrated that).
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cool, so flushing helps to get rid of chlorophyll, that's what i'm saying!
 
curious2garden

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Sparky413 said:
I postulate differently, to me smoking a greener pigment is harsher than smoking a lesser green. 27 years of first hand scientific experimentation lead me to believe this. Interesting study and I'm sure everything is correct but doesn't disprove any of what i'm saying. Different cultivars taste differently at different cure stages, I guess it's something that can't really be proven, it's too subjective. We have different taste. I don't flush, the weed, it isn't as developed and not as good, I grow organic. I just can see it's application. I've had weed that took 4 months before it was smoke able because I overfeed and didn't flush. I grew a clone of her that was delicious much earlier when grown organically, she took up nutrients how she wanted and the leaf material wasn't nearly as green. Agree to postulate differently.
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May I enquire as to your credentials? Anecdotal (first hand) experience is not science. Can you share your experimental structure; your data collection methods, and statistical handling of the data, your controls. I would also like to read your peer reviewed and journal published papers.
 
Sparky413

Sparky413

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curious2garden said:
May I enquire as to your credentials? Anecdotal (first hand) experience is not science. Can you share your experimental structure; your data collection methods, and statistical handling of the data, your controls. I would also like to read your peer reviewed and journal published papers.
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Did you not just describe, chlorophyll turning into glucose during photosynthesis lol? I don't know or care and don't flush, you are a fucking nerd, I'm not above stooping to ignorant insults.
 
Sparky413

Sparky413

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Hollatchaboy said:
And he said he wasn't an asshat......:wall:
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I also couldn't prove that I wasn't. I'm sure there is a bunch of peer studies out there saying that I am. Nobody has discredited anything I said, or proved anything I said was wrong lol just liking long ass research papers pretending to have read it, then not knowing how photosynthesis works lol
 
twentyeight.threefive

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Sparky413 said:
Did you not just describe, chlorophyll turning into glucose during photosynthesis lol? I don't know or care and don't flush, you are a fucking nerd, I'm not above stooping to ignorant insults.
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You said you had "27 years of first hand scientific experimentation". It was pointed out what you said was false and then you get mad and start iinsulting people?
 
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