DIY-HP-LED
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Yeah, but ya can't help but feel sorry for them, many are victims of disinformation, they were in effect murder victims, killed by bullshit.
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Dr.Amber Trichome
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I don’t feel sorry for the assholes that I meet on a daily basis that tell me the haven’t gotten the shot. They make me quite upset and they are the biggest jerks! Rude , privelaged , arrogant and obnoxious . They are not victims what so ever.
DIY-HP-LED
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They are their own worst enemy, covid will beat the shit out of them for you!
Some are victims of bullshit and ignorance, but many just wanna own the libs and for those, I agree with your sentiments. The fact that they don't wear masks and eschew safety measures will make sure they get nailed by delta.
More contagious is worse than more virulent and causes way more deaths and misery, but at least most of the elderly and healthcare workers are protected this time around. It should reduce the stress of working with a deadly virus quite a bit that's already killed thousands of doctors and nurses. This wave will be different, the hospitals will be overwhelmed with younger people who have a better chance of survival and there should be fewer deaths because of that and vaccinations. Some very red places might be forced into lockdowns and masks though.
no, they want to own the llibtards..guess they didn't see the backfire coming.
Dr.Amber Trichome
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When I have direct patient care with unvaccinated I am much more on guard and see them as a germ infested dumb ass death cult. And they have really picked up some nasty attitudes lately as well. Before when I asked if they were vaccinated they would just say no. Now they get all paranoid and ask why I need to know like scared to tell me they are not vaccinated and get all defensive . At least that’s the unvaxxed women lately. Not sure why.They are their own worst enemy, covid will beat the shit out of them for you!
Some are victims of bullshit and ignorance, but many just wanna own the libs and for those, I agree with your sentiments. The fact that they don't wear masks and eschew safety measures will make sure they get nailed by delta.
More contagious is worse than more virulent and causes way more deaths and misery, but at least most of the elderly and healthcare workers are protected this time around. It should reduce the stress of working with a deadly virus quite a bit that's already killed thousands of doctors and nurses. This wave will be different, the hospitals will be overwhelmed with younger people who have a better chance of survival and there should be fewer deaths because of that and vaccinations. Some very red places might be forced into lockdowns and masks though.
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Unwaxed women. Of course they would feel sensitive about it.
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Trust in Fauci, federal health agencies strong: poll
A survey released this week by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania found 76 percent of respondents said they were "somewhat or very confident" in the veracity of information about the coronavirus coming from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and its leaders.
At the same time, 68 percent said they believed Fauci, a member of former President Trump's coronavirus task force and a top adviser to President Biden on the pandemic, has provided trustworthy advice.
A total of 77 percent also expressed confidence in the information being put forth by the Food and Drug Administration about vaccines and vaccine science.
The poll, first reported by The New York Times, found the highest level of confidence among respondents in personal primary care doctors, with 83 percent saying they trust them most to help them navigate the pandemic.
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Certainly not at Newsmax.
A survey released this week by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania found 76 percent of respondents said they were "somewhat or very confident" in the veracity of information about the coronavirus coming from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and its leaders.
At the same time, 68 percent said they believed Fauci, a member of former President Trump's coronavirus task force and a top adviser to President Biden on the pandemic, has provided trustworthy advice.
A total of 77 percent also expressed confidence in the information being put forth by the Food and Drug Administration about vaccines and vaccine science.
The poll, first reported by The New York Times, found the highest level of confidence among respondents in personal primary care doctors, with 83 percent saying they trust them most to help them navigate the pandemic.
Trust in Fauci, federal health agencies strong: poll
Public trust in Anthony Fauci and the nation’s federal health officials is high more than a year into the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new poll. A survey released this …
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Certainly not at Newsmax.
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House GOP leaders say vaccine works but shouldn't be mandated
The GOP Doctors Caucus, along with the conference leaders, avoided directly instructing Americans to get their COVID-19 shots at the press conference, but did encourage hesitant Americans to discuss vaccines with their doctors and then come to a “personal decision.”
“We urge all Americans to talk to their doctors about the risks of COVID, talk to their doctors about the benefits of getting vaccinated and then come to a decision that's right for them about the vaccine,” Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) said.
The press conference comes as the delta variant sweeps through unvaccinated communities, filling hospitals in some places. States across the country have seen a rise in cases, hospitalizations and deaths, but those suffering are almost all people who have not been vaccinated.
As those statistics have risen, Republican office holders increasingly have been talking publicly about vaccines this week, as have a number of figures on Fox News.
Harris, the first of the GOP doctors to speak, emphasized the COVID-19 vaccinations do “protect against symptomatic infection from the delta variant.”
House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), who got his first shot of Pfizer days ago amid concerns about the delta strain, said he “would encourage people to get the vaccine,” saying the caucus has “expressed confidence in the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine.”
Another member of the GOP Doctors Caucus, Rep. Greg Murphy (R-N.C.), said all of the physicians present “want people vaccinated,” but as a medicine with potential side effects, the vaccine should not be mandated.
“There's not one physician, there's not one doctor here that doesn't want people vaccinated,” he said.
But he added, “This should not come down from the government saying you have to have something because there can be some side effects.”
Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), a physician, said the spread of the delta strain presents “a great opportunity” to discuss “the risks and benefits of taking the vaccine.”
“On the other hand, I think we can all take a deep breath, a sigh of relief that the science shows us there's no reason to panic over the delta variant,” he said, citing the vaccine’s effectiveness and the vaccination rates for adults and seniors.
He also noted that half of unvaccinated people are expected to have natural immunity from contracting the virus, although experts have recommended those who had COVID-19 should still get vaccinated.
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The GOP Doctors Caucus, along with the conference leaders, avoided directly instructing Americans to get their COVID-19 shots at the press conference, but did encourage hesitant Americans to discuss vaccines with their doctors and then come to a “personal decision.”
“We urge all Americans to talk to their doctors about the risks of COVID, talk to their doctors about the benefits of getting vaccinated and then come to a decision that's right for them about the vaccine,” Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) said.
The press conference comes as the delta variant sweeps through unvaccinated communities, filling hospitals in some places. States across the country have seen a rise in cases, hospitalizations and deaths, but those suffering are almost all people who have not been vaccinated.
As those statistics have risen, Republican office holders increasingly have been talking publicly about vaccines this week, as have a number of figures on Fox News.
Harris, the first of the GOP doctors to speak, emphasized the COVID-19 vaccinations do “protect against symptomatic infection from the delta variant.”
House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.), who got his first shot of Pfizer days ago amid concerns about the delta strain, said he “would encourage people to get the vaccine,” saying the caucus has “expressed confidence in the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine.”
Another member of the GOP Doctors Caucus, Rep. Greg Murphy (R-N.C.), said all of the physicians present “want people vaccinated,” but as a medicine with potential side effects, the vaccine should not be mandated.
“There's not one physician, there's not one doctor here that doesn't want people vaccinated,” he said.
But he added, “This should not come down from the government saying you have to have something because there can be some side effects.”
Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.), a physician, said the spread of the delta strain presents “a great opportunity” to discuss “the risks and benefits of taking the vaccine.”
“On the other hand, I think we can all take a deep breath, a sigh of relief that the science shows us there's no reason to panic over the delta variant,” he said, citing the vaccine’s effectiveness and the vaccination rates for adults and seniors.
He also noted that half of unvaccinated people are expected to have natural immunity from contracting the virus, although experts have recommended those who had COVID-19 should still get vaccinated.
House GOP leaders say vaccine works but shouldn’t be mandated
House GOP leaders on Thursday expressed confidence in the COVID-19 vaccine’s effectiveness against the virus but said it shouldn’t be mandated for Americans as cases surge in pockets of the U…
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injinji
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I would think it was the freshly waxed that would be sensitive.
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Fogdog
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Perhaps is just that people have difficulty admitting they are behaving stupidly. Or maybe they are afraid you'll refuse to treat them.
Either way, you need to know so you have to ask. If they feel embarrassed telling you the truth, that's their problem. effem.
PJ Diaz
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Thanks for posting that, because it's quickly becoming clear that the numbers we're hearing about "97% of hospitalizations being of the unvaccinated" is only true when you fudge the numbers and consider cases earlier in the year, prior to May when few people were even vaccinated yet but we still had high covid cases. The numbers coming out is Israel and some of the US States now clearly shows that vaccinated people are as much at risk of Delta (perhaps more) than those who are unvaccinated.
I do always like to check figures for myself, and had a bit of trouble initially finding the stats that are posted in your graph, but after digging around, I found the database here: https://data.gov.il/dataset/covid-19/resource/9b623a64-f7df-4d0c-9f57-09bd99a88880
It looks like this week may be even worse for the vaxxed in Israel than it was last week. Here's a SS I just pulled from that page:
Fogdog
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The stage hand speaks gibberish again.
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So what do these figures tell us? That there were (Just using one row for example) #261 - 554 positives after 20 days, 113 Sum positive without vaccination. Now why would there be a greater number of vaccinated positives than those without vaccination? Because the majority of people in Israel have been vaccinated while the pool of people without vaccination is small? We do not have enough information to asses what this is showing.
PJ Diaz
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That is true, but I know that you're a smart guy and can look further into the multitude of data posed on that site, and begin making some real assessments.
Let's go ahead and consider that specific line you are referring to (#261). Line #261 is looking at individuals between 40 and 49. We further know that 80.6% of individuals in that age group in Israel are vaccinated by looking at their posted data. When we further look at the numbers posted, we see that out of a total of 667 cases in that age range for that week, 554 were fully vaxxed, and 113 were not vaxxed, which equates to 83% fully vaxxed and 17% unvaxxed. Weird eh? You would think that if the vaxx is working, the rates of contraction among the vaxxed would be at least lower than the vaxxed population, when compared against unvaxxed.
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Two doses of Pfizer, AstraZeneca shots effective against Delta variant: study
Two doses of Pfizer (PFE.N) or AstraZeneca's (AZN.L) COVID-19 vaccine are nearly as effective against the highly transmissible Delta coronavirus variant as they are against the previously dominant Alpha variant, a study published on Wednesday showed.
Two doses of Pfizer, AstraZeneca shots effective against Delta variant: study
LONDON, July 21 (Reuters) - Two doses of Pfizer (PFE.N) or AstraZeneca's (AZN.L) COVID-19 vaccine are nearly as effective against the highly transmissible Delta coronavirus variant as they are against the previously dominant Alpha variant, a study published on Wednesday showed.
Officials say vaccines are highly effective against the Delta variant, now the dominant variant worldwide, though the study reiterated that one shot of the vaccines is not enough for high protection.
The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, confirms headline findings given by Public Health England in May about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca (AZN.L), based on real-world data.
Wednesday's study found that two doses of Pfizer's shot was 88% effective at preventing symptomatic disease from the Delta variant, compared to 93.7% against the Alpha variant, broadly the same as previously reported.
Two shots of AstraZeneca vaccine were 67% effective against the Delta variant, up from 60% originally reported, and 74.5% effective against the Alpha variant, compared to an original estimate of 66% effectiveness.
"Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the Delta variant as compared with the Alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses," Public Health England researchers wrote in the study.
Data from Israel has estimated lower effectiveness of Pfizer's shot against symptomatic disease, although protection against severe disease remains high.
PHE had previously said that a first dose of either vaccine was around 33% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant.
The full study published on Wednesday found that one dose of Pfizer's shot was 36% effective, and one dose of AstraZeneca's vaccine was around 30% effective.
"Our finding of reduced effectiveness after the first dose would support efforts to maximise vaccine uptake with two doses among vulnerable groups in the context of circulation of the Delta variant," the authors of the study said.
DIY-HP-LED
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Why Some Republicans Changed Their Tune On Vaccines
In the last few days, we have seen conservatives coming out to finally state the obvious: vaccines are saving lives. But why? Chris Hayes gives his theory.
In the last few days, we have seen conservatives coming out to finally state the obvious: vaccines are saving lives. But why? Chris Hayes gives his theory.
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So how many of the vaxed had to go to hospital and how many of the unvaxed? Still do not know enough. And I only have a minimal amount of time to check things out. And not much desire to waste the hours that way.
DIY-HP-LED
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Prominent Republicans Speak Up About Vaccines As Delta Infections Soar
America's latest surge of covid-19 infections is so concerning that even vaccine holdouts like Republican Congressman Steve Scalise are getting their jabs.
America's latest surge of covid-19 infections is so concerning that even vaccine holdouts like Republican Congressman Steve Scalise are getting their jabs.
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