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PJ Diaz

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Two doses of Pfizer, AstraZeneca shots effective against Delta variant: study

LONDON, July 21 (Reuters) - Two doses of Pfizer (PFE.N) or AstraZeneca's (AZN.L) COVID-19 vaccine are nearly as effective against the highly transmissible Delta coronavirus variant as they are against the previously dominant Alpha variant, a study published on Wednesday showed.

Officials say vaccines are highly effective against the Delta variant, now the dominant variant worldwide, though the study reiterated that one shot of the vaccines is not enough for high protection.

The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, confirms headline findings given by Public Health England in May about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca (AZN.L), based on real-world data.

Wednesday's study found that two doses of Pfizer's shot was 88% effective at preventing symptomatic disease from the Delta variant, compared to 93.7% against the Alpha variant, broadly the same as previously reported.

Two shots of AstraZeneca vaccine were 67% effective against the Delta variant, up from 60% originally reported, and 74.5% effective against the Alpha variant, compared to an original estimate of 66% effectiveness.

"Only modest differences in vaccine effectiveness were noted with the Delta variant as compared with the Alpha variant after the receipt of two vaccine doses," Public Health England researchers wrote in the study.

Data from Israel has estimated lower effectiveness of Pfizer's shot against symptomatic disease, although protection against severe disease remains high.

PHE had previously said that a first dose of either vaccine was around 33% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant.

The full study published on Wednesday found that one dose of Pfizer's shot was 36% effective, and one dose of AstraZeneca's vaccine was around 30% effective.

"Our finding of reduced effectiveness after the first dose would support efforts to maximise vaccine uptake with two doses among vulnerable groups in the context of circulation of the Delta variant," the authors of the study said.
Did you read the study they are referencing in that article, or just read the article? I always like to read the original sources myself, and found it odd that they didn't link back to the source material. It made it a bit more difficult for me to find, but I did take a look and noticed a couple of items of note to the study. I found it odd that the study was restricted to calendar weeks 13 thru 20 only, which is sometime between March and May. I also find it odd that they specifically excluded people who were vaxxed and tested positive but were asymptomatic from the study, which was around one third of the vaxxed group. Also it's good to note that the study included Pfizer and AstraZenica only, no Moderna or J&J. I wonder what the numbers from week 21 to 29 given the same study might uncover?
 

PJ Diaz

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So how many of the vaxed had to go to hospital and how many of the unvaxed? Still do not know enough. And I only have a minimal amount of time to check things out. And not much desire to waste the hours that way.
They have those numbers posted too, I believe. Maybe if I have some down time and get bored tomorrow, I will go looking for those.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Perhaps is just that people have difficulty admitting they are behaving stupidly. Or maybe they are afraid you'll refuse to treat them.

Either way, you need to know so you have to ask. If they feel embarrassed telling you the truth, that's their problem. effem.
Right. I am just doing my job for fucks sake. Nothing worse than having to provide care to an ungrateful pompous death cult member. Anyway I hope your doing well and sorry to hear about the fires burning in Or. really terrible situation. I remember how horrible the smoke smelled when I lived there. Take care and have a nice weekend!
 

injinji

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this is a great example of how an ignorant person deals with a stuation they could have understood if they were better educated.

home schooling creates morons. They weren't born stupid, their parents made them.
I have to disagree. Home school does produce kids with some social difficulties, but your genetics have more to do with your intelligence. Most of what you are is decided when the sperm meets the egg. And most learning at schools happen outside the classroom, which is why home schooling can be so restrictive to social development.
 

UncleBuck

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I have to disagree. Home school does produce kids with some social difficulties, but your genetics have more to do with your intelligence. Most of what you are is decided when the sperm meets the egg. And most learning at schools happen outside the classroom, which is why home schooling can be so restrictive to social development.
There is more correlation between unrelated children raised together than there is between fraternal twins raised apart with regard to intelligence actually

Its more nurture than nature
 

Jimdamick

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I particularly like guy who had Covid & was admitted to a hospital and was asked if he knew then, before he caught it, would he get the vaccine & he said no, I wouldn't. (Toss that Republican asshole out onto the street & tell him to fucking die somewhere else, your taking up valuable resources here you dumb fuck, you deserve to die :) )

 

DIY-HP-LED

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I particularly like guy who had Covid & was admitted to a hospital and was asked if he knew then, before he caught it, would he get the vaccine & he said no, I wouldn't. (Toss that Republican asshole out onto the street & tell him to fucking die somewhere else, your taking up valuable resources here you dumb fuck, you deserve to die :) )

Like covid, the republicans are getting their noses rubbed in 1/6 daily, as reality bitch slaps them silly. Once you get the big lie rolling, it's like a big rock rolling down hill, or more like a snowball, the republicans can't get in front of it because it will crush them. The same law of inertia applies to vaccine disinformation, most people tend to believe the first thing they hear, especially when it's reinforced and discount subsequent counter information. This is just a couple of many ways the republicans are fucking not just themselves, but everybody else too. With delta covid it will be a bit different this time around, their base is gonna get very badly fucked over very soon, they are roadkill waiting to happen and their leaders who've been bullshitting them about covid know it.
 

FresnoFarmer

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LOL

you cant tell the difference between a right wing disinformation group and a legitimate health organization but you wont let that stop you from making an ass out of yourself

Never change, dumb girl
That is the only response you can come up with to the data that I posted? What an intellectual.
 

UncleBuck

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Can you offer a direct link to the website listed in the copy/paste that you provided that contains a graph that matches the one in the copy/paste that you provided?

I visited that website and couldn't find one...
Hes too dumb to even know what hes posting, who gives a shit
 
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