Afganistan Collapse

[Dorian2]

Hoping for the best for the Afghans. Last 20 years have created an entirely new generation so I figure all bets are off.

I'm an Optimist who believes in the human spirit.

 

[Cycad]

 

[Kervork]

I served over there fairly early and the women were quite at home with their culture. Hell, the women hated us being there more than the men did. That "womens rights" crap is just a way for bleeding heart politicians to keep the door open to future conflict. I did not like Trump. I like Sloppy Joe even less. But if they did one right thing it was pulling the plug on this hilarious waste of time and money. The feminists over here cry about how men treat them but believe me by and large they wouldn't have it any other way

We could have taken our half trillion dollars worth of taxpayer paid for shit with us when we left.

I'm sure leaving behind all that gear will never come back and bite us in the ass.

They didn't defeat our army, they defeated a bunch of fuckwit politicians that we should be dumping in the middle of Kandahar naked and covered in honey in the middle of the night.

 

[Rob Roy]

 

[RobCat]

We could have taken our half trillion dollars worth of taxpayer paid for shit with us when we left.

I'm sure leaving behind all that gear will never come back and bite us in the ass.

They didn't defeat our army, they defeated a bunch of fuckwit politicians that we should be dumping in the middle of Kandahar naked and covered in honey in the middle of the night.

Losers are very predictable. They knew Joe was going to speed up the pull out by 6 weeks and factored everything else in around that. The gear. The trapped government workers. The interpreters were getting dropped left and right when i was there. A lot of them had bounties out on them. I can only imagine what will go on the next few months. We needed out of that dumpster fire. Im just so sorry he didn't stick with the original strategy. We could have got a lot out of there in 6 weeks

 

[schuylaar]

trolls are very predictable.

 

[BudmanTX]

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Y do I see big pharma here...not clinton...and now there is prescription drugs epidemic too...

Interesting

 

[CunningCanuk]

The feminists over here cry about how men treat them but believe me by and large they wouldn't have it any other way

Yeah. Those damn feminists don’t know what they want.

You got em figured out tho playa.

 

[RobCat]

Yeah. Those damn feminists don’t know what they want.

You got em figured out tho playa.

On the contrary. They know what they want and they get what they need. Spending time in a place with no womens rights taught me that

 

[Tangerine_]

but he is ending the war and bringing home the kids......

Not all the kids
Wish I could say more...
This whole thing just sucks

 

[Kerowacked]

Resistance forming in the Panjshir

Redirect Notice

 

[doublejj]

Resistance forming in the Panjshir

Redirect Notice

tell him to look around, we left him lots of guns and sh*t.....best of luck. The US has it's hands full right now with our own domestic terrorists.

 

[zeddd]

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I don't believe that. It would have been way too organised. I think it's more likely that people were scared of the dark, and when the sun came up every morning, it was their 'God' or 'Lord' call it whatever you like but the sun gives everything, without it life cannot exist. From there, it wasn't too difficult to spin a Harry Potter-style story about "The son (SUN) of God" and so Christianity was born.

you think they spoke English back then?

 

[hanimmal]

We could have taken our half trillion dollars worth of taxpayer paid for shit with us when we left.

I'm sure leaving behind all that gear will never come back and bite us in the ass.

They didn't defeat our army, they defeated a bunch of fuckwit politicians that we should be dumping in the middle of Kandahar naked and covered in honey in the middle of the night.

So disarm the (what was) Afghan army prior to them standing down and allowing the Taliban to capture them?

Im not sure how that would have worked out.

 

[Rob Roy]

Y do I see big pharma here...not clinton...and now there is prescription drugs epidemic too...

Interesting

Always follow the money.

 

[Don't Bogart]

I served over there fairly early and the women were quite at home with their culture. Hell, the women hated us being there more than the men did. That "womens rights" crap is just a way for bleeding heart politicians to keep the door open to future conflict. I did not like Trump. I like Sloppy Joe even less. But if they did one right thing it was pulling the plug on this hilarious waste of time and money. The feminists over here cry about how men treat them but believe me by and large they wouldn't have it any other way

Your post presents a lot of issues.
That the women wouldn't have it any other way. I guess is o.k. since they don't know any other way. Presented with a fair choice you think they would be all satisfied with what they have?
Aside from the war I don't see anything wrong with at least letting them get educated. It could only benefit their country.
Produce more doctors, teachers, nurses you name it. Prosperity all around.
Bottom line is though we should never have been there in the first place. We went in on a lie.
9-11 wasn't caused by them.
And thank you for your service.

 

[hanimmal]

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-middle-east-business-ap-top-news-22e96cb6f619f7f9ba3bcf4d4c48aa57

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has pledged firmly to bring all Americans home from Afghanistan — and all Afghans who aided the war effort, too — as officials confirmed that U.S. military helicopters flew beyond the Kabul airport to scoop up 169 Americans seeking to evacuate.

Biden’s promises came Friday as thousands more Americans and others seeking to escape the Taliban struggled to get past crushing crowds, Taliban airport checkpoints and sometimes-insurmountable U.S. bureaucracy.

“We will get you home,” Biden promised Americans who were still in Afghanistan days after the Taliban retook control of Kabul, ending a two-decade war.

The president’s comments, delivered at the White House, were intended to project purpose and stability at the conclusion of a week during which images from Afghanistan more often suggested chaos, especially at the airport.

His commitment to find a way out for Afghan allies vulnerable to Taliban attacks amounted to a potentially vast expansion of Washington’s promises, given the tens of thousands of translators and other helpers, and their close family members, seeking evacuation.

“We’re making the same commitment” to Afghan wartime helpers as to U.S. citizens, Biden said, offering the prospect of assistance to Afghans who largely have been fighting individual battles to get the documents and passage into the airport that they need to leave. He called the Afghan allies “equally important” in the evacuations.

Meanwhile, Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., said Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin had disconcerting news for the lawmakers he briefed Friday, confirming that Americans are among those who have been beaten by the Taliban at airport checkpoints.

Biden is facing continuing criticism as videos and news reports depict pandemonium and occasional violence outside the airport.

“I made the decision” on the timing of the U.S. withdrawal, he said, his tone firm as he declared that it was going to lead to difficult scenes, no matter when. Former President Donald Trump had set the departure for May in negotiations with the Taliban, but Biden extended it.

Thousands of people remain to be evacuated ahead of Biden’s Aug. 31 deadline to withdraw most remaining U.S. troops. Flights were stopped for several hours Friday because of a backup at a transit point for the refugees, a U.S. airbase in Qatar, but they resumed in the afternoon, including to Bahrain.

Still, potential evacuees faced continuing problems getting into the airport. The Belgian foreign ministry confirmed that one of its planes took off empty because the people who were supposed to be aboard couldn’t get in.

A defense official said about 5,700 people, including about 250 Americans, were flown out of Kabul aboard 16 C-17 transport planes, guarded by a temporary U.S. military deployment that’s building to 6,000 troops. On each of the previous two days, about 2,000 people were airlifted.

Biden said 169 Americans had been brought to the airport from beyond its perimeter, but he provided no details. Later, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said the 169 had gathered at the Baron Hotel near the airport and were flown across the airport perimeter to safety Thursday. He said they were transported by three U.S. military CH-47 helicopters.

Kirby said the helicopters took no hostile fire. He added that the Americans initially were going to walk the short distance from the hotel to an airport gate, but a crowd outside the gate changed the plan.

Separately, senior American military officials told The Associated Press that a U.S. helicopter picked up Afghans, mostly women and children, and ferried them to the airport Friday. The 3rd Brigade Combat Team of the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division airlifted the Afghans from Camp Sullivan, near the Kabul airport. Those officials commented only on condition of anonymity to discuss military operations.

Kirby said he was not aware of any such Friday helicopter mission.

For those living in cities and provinces outside Kabul, CIA case officers, special operation forces and agents from the Defense Intelligence Agency on the ground are gathering some U.S. citizens and Afghans who worked for the U.S. at predetermined pick-up sites.

The officials would not detail where these airlift sites were for security reasons. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss ongoing operations.

In Washington, some veterans in Congress were calling on the Biden administration to extend a security perimeter beyond the Kabul airport so more Afghans could get through.

The lawmakers also said they want Biden to make clearer that the Aug. 31 deadline for withdrawing U.S. troops is not a firm one.

The deadline “is contributing to the chaos and the panic at the airport because you have Afghans who think that they have 10 days to get out of this country or that door is closing forever,” said Rep. Peter Meijer, R-Mich., who served in Iraq and also worked in Afghanistan to help aid workers provide humanitarian relief.

With mobs of people outside the airport and Taliban fighters ringing its perimeter, the U.S. renewed its advisory to Americans and others that it could not guarantee safe passage for any of those desperately seeking seats on the planes inside. The Taliban are regularly firing into the air to try to control the crowds, sending men, women and children running.

The advisory captured some of the pandemonium, and what many Afghans and foreigners see as their life-and-death struggle to get inside. It said: “We are processing people at multiple gates. Due to large crowds and security concerns, gates may open or close without notice. Please use your best judgment and attempt to enter the airport at any gate that is open.”

While Biden has previously blamed Afghans for the U.S. failure to get out more allies ahead of this month’s sudden Taliban takeover, U.S. officials told The AP that American diplomats had formally urged weeks ago that the administration ramp up evacuation efforts.

Biden said Friday he had gotten a wide variety of time estimates, though all were pessimistic about the Afghan government surviving.

He has said he was following the advice of Afghanistan’s U.S.-backed president, Ashraf Ghani, in not earlier expanding U.S. efforts to fly out translators and other endangered Afghans. Ghani fled the country last weekend as the Taliban seized the capital.

Biden has also said many at-risk Afghan allies had not wanted to leave the country. But refugee groups point to yearslong backlogs of applications from thousands of those Afghans for visas that would let them take refuge in the United States.

Afghans and the Americans trying to help them also say the administration has clung to visa requirements for would-be evacuees that involve more than a dozen steps, and can take years to complete. Those often have included requirements that the Taliban sweep has made dangerous or impossible — such as requiring Afghans to go to a third country to apply for a U.S. visa, and produce paperwork showing their work with Americans.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

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This is all quite bizarre. I have total faith in Biden’s decision and the way this has been executed. The Taliban is actually checking passports and letting United States citizens through check points and into air planes to leave peacefully is quite shocking . Pictures of the Taliban in their white costumes with the dark black shiny United States machine guns is quite disturbing . Now they have all these American made weapons It would be so awesome if some of those big USA tanks they now have Had secret backup blow up devices in them that could be triggered in such cases as this when an enemy gets ahold of the tank the US military can blow them up remotely with a hidden explosive device buried deep inside the tanks body.

 

[hanimmal]

This is all quite bizarre. I have total faith in Biden’s decision and the way this has been executed. The Taliban is actually checking passports and letting United States citizens through check points and into air planes to leave peacefully is quite shocking . Pictures of the Taliban in their white costumes with the dark black shiny United States machine guns is quite disturbing . Now they have all these American made weapons It would be so awesome if some of those big USA tanks they now have Had secret backup blow up devices in them that could be triggered in such cases as this when an enemy gets ahold of the tank the US military can blow them up remotely with a hidden explosive device buried deep inside the tanks body.

White people are always leaving shit around when they leave.

Without money for the expensive maintenance I wonder how fast they stop working.

It is a lot like all that lead, asbestos, and giant schools white people left behind in Detroit when they fled to the burbs IMO.

 

[Don't Bogart]

Anyhow, government zealots have killed and persecuted more people lately than religious zealots. When they work in tandem, it gets even worse.

Like the Taliban. Gov't and religion all rolled into one.