Afganistan Collapse
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New Taliban rulers face tough economic, security challenges
When they last ruled in the late 1990s, Afghanistan was a poor agricultural nation, and the Taliban were preoccupied with imposing their harsh brand of Islam on an already deeply traditional and largely compliant population.
This time, they’re inheriting a more developed society with a small, educated middle class, but also an economy that has been devastated by war and corruption. Even before the Taliban overran Kabul on Aug. 15, the jobless rate was more than 30% and more than half of Afghans lived in poverty, despite two decades of U.S. involvement and billions of dollars in aid.
wear the all-encompassing burqa. Girls were denied education and entertainment like music and television were shunned.
The Taliban have conflicting demands and constituencies to please. Even among the leaders, there are contradictory views of how to govern. In addition, Afghanistan’s tribal elders are another powerful group that can’t be ignored.
Then there are the thousands of fighters whose formative years have been spent on the battlefield and who are imbued with a sense of victory over a superpower. It’s heady stuff for many of the young fighters, and convincing them that compromise is for the common good may be difficult, if not impossible.
The economy has been in the doldrums for years. If peace comes to Afghanistan, its citizens will increase their demands for economic relief — a near impossibility if the international community, which had funded 80% of former President Ashraf Ghani’s government, withdraws its support.
If it fails, “you have to start contemplating the possibility of large-scale protests against the Taliban that would clearly represent a major challenge to the Taliban as it attempts to consolidate its power,” he said.
But how far the Taliban are willing to bend to ease international concerns, while staying true to their own set of beliefs, could further widen divisions among the leadership, particularly those with more rigid ideology.
“You have a regime that doesn’t have any experience dealing with policy at a moment when you have a major policy crisis, compounded by the fact that the international community is going to cut off access to funds for this Taliban government,” he said.
apnews.com
When they last ruled in the late 1990s, Afghanistan was a poor agricultural nation, and the Taliban were preoccupied with imposing their harsh brand of Islam on an already deeply traditional and largely compliant population.
This time, they’re inheriting a more developed society with a small, educated middle class, but also an economy that has been devastated by war and corruption. Even before the Taliban overran Kabul on Aug. 15, the jobless rate was more than 30% and more than half of Afghans lived in poverty, despite two decades of U.S. involvement and billions of dollars in aid.
wear the all-encompassing burqa. Girls were denied education and entertainment like music and television were shunned.
The Taliban have conflicting demands and constituencies to please. Even among the leaders, there are contradictory views of how to govern. In addition, Afghanistan’s tribal elders are another powerful group that can’t be ignored.
Then there are the thousands of fighters whose formative years have been spent on the battlefield and who are imbued with a sense of victory over a superpower. It’s heady stuff for many of the young fighters, and convincing them that compromise is for the common good may be difficult, if not impossible.
The economy has been in the doldrums for years. If peace comes to Afghanistan, its citizens will increase their demands for economic relief — a near impossibility if the international community, which had funded 80% of former President Ashraf Ghani’s government, withdraws its support.
If it fails, “you have to start contemplating the possibility of large-scale protests against the Taliban that would clearly represent a major challenge to the Taliban as it attempts to consolidate its power,” he said.
But how far the Taliban are willing to bend to ease international concerns, while staying true to their own set of beliefs, could further widen divisions among the leadership, particularly those with more rigid ideology.
“You have a regime that doesn’t have any experience dealing with policy at a moment when you have a major policy crisis, compounded by the fact that the international community is going to cut off access to funds for this Taliban government,” he said.
New Taliban rulers face tough economic, security challenges
Afghanistan’s new Taliban rulers face tough economic and security challenges as they return to power in a country that is vastly different from the one they left 20 years ago.
apnews.com
smokinrav
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Colin Powell on Iraq to GWB (reverberating through the future) explaining the Pottery Barn ruleNew Taliban rulers face tough economic, security challenges
When they last ruled in the late 1990s, Afghanistan was a poor agricultural nation, and the Taliban were preoccupied with imposing their harsh brand of Islam on an already deeply traditional and largely compliant population.
This time, they’re inheriting a more developed society with a small, educated middle class, but also an economy that has been devastated by war and corruption. Even before the Taliban overran Kabul on Aug. 15, the jobless rate was more than 30% and more than half of Afghans lived in poverty, despite two decades of U.S. involvement and billions of dollars in aid.
wear the all-encompassing burqa. Girls were denied education and entertainment like music and television were shunned.
The Taliban have conflicting demands and constituencies to please. Even among the leaders, there are contradictory views of how to govern. In addition, Afghanistan’s tribal elders are another powerful group that can’t be ignored.
Then there are the thousands of fighters whose formative years have been spent on the battlefield and who are imbued with a sense of victory over a superpower. It’s heady stuff for many of the young fighters, and convincing them that compromise is for the common good may be difficult, if not impossible.
The economy has been in the doldrums for years. If peace comes to Afghanistan, its citizens will increase their demands for economic relief — a near impossibility if the international community, which had funded 80% of former President Ashraf Ghani’s government, withdraws its support.
If it fails, “you have to start contemplating the possibility of large-scale protests against the Taliban that would clearly represent a major challenge to the Taliban as it attempts to consolidate its power,” he said.
But how far the Taliban are willing to bend to ease international concerns, while staying true to their own set of beliefs, could further widen divisions among the leadership, particularly those with more rigid ideology.
“You have a regime that doesn’t have any experience dealing with policy at a moment when you have a major policy crisis, compounded by the fact that the international community is going to cut off access to funds for this Taliban government,” he said.
New Taliban rulers face tough economic, security challenges
Afghanistan’s new Taliban rulers face tough economic and security challenges as they return to power in a country that is vastly different from the one they left 20 years ago.
"If you break it, you own it"
printer
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I am on a couple of groups that would not exist without it. I have some family across the country, probably should keep more in touch. But I probably have not added to my page in years, you can look through it in about a minute. I am not much one to put my life story or what I had for lunch out for the world to see. Don't really care how many thousands of friends I have either.
printer
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And that is why the US was in Afghanistan for so long. They broke it so they bought it. But Afghanistan was just taped together before the invasion and putting it into a State that could defend itself against the Taliban would take a couple of generations if not more.
CunningCanuk
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Or the lives that will be lost under Taliban rule, I hope.
CunningCanuk
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Especially if that includes propping up a corrupt government in the process.
hanimmal
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That sounds like you are hoping that more people die, I don't think that is what you meant. Anyone that the Taliban kills is now fully on them. And is incredibly shitty, and if you meant that I am not being flippant about that too, you are correct, I am not.
I am strictly saying with that gif that Biden was being trolled hard about sticking to the agreement to withdraw to the point you think it was totally bungled, while it ended up evacuating over 100k people in a couple weeks while the propped up government was collapsing all around it.
Jimdamick
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Be careful for what you wish forNew Taliban rulers face tough economic, security challenges
When they last ruled in the late 1990s, Afghanistan was a poor agricultural nation, and the Taliban were preoccupied with imposing their harsh brand of Islam on an already deeply traditional and largely compliant population.
This time, they’re inheriting a more developed society with a small, educated middle class, but also an economy that has been devastated by war and corruption. Even before the Taliban overran Kabul on Aug. 15, the jobless rate was more than 30% and more than half of Afghans lived in poverty, despite two decades of U.S. involvement and billions of dollars in aid.
wear the all-encompassing burqa. Girls were denied education and entertainment like music and television were shunned.
The Taliban have conflicting demands and constituencies to please. Even among the leaders, there are contradictory views of how to govern. In addition, Afghanistan’s tribal elders are another powerful group that can’t be ignored.
Then there are the thousands of fighters whose formative years have been spent on the battlefield and who are imbued with a sense of victory over a superpower. It’s heady stuff for many of the young fighters, and convincing them that compromise is for the common good may be difficult, if not impossible.
The economy has been in the doldrums for years. If peace comes to Afghanistan, its citizens will increase their demands for economic relief — a near impossibility if the international community, which had funded 80% of former President Ashraf Ghani’s government, withdraws its support.
If it fails, “you have to start contemplating the possibility of large-scale protests against the Taliban that would clearly represent a major challenge to the Taliban as it attempts to consolidate its power,” he said.
But how far the Taliban are willing to bend to ease international concerns, while staying true to their own set of beliefs, could further widen divisions among the leadership, particularly those with more rigid ideology.
“You have a regime that doesn’t have any experience dealing with policy at a moment when you have a major policy crisis, compounded by the fact that the international community is going to cut off access to funds for this Taliban government,” he said.
New Taliban rulers face tough economic, security challenges
Afghanistan’s new Taliban rulers face tough economic and security challenges as they return to power in a country that is vastly different from the one they left 20 years ago.
The Taliban is soooo fucked
I like the item that was pointed out in that article. that the Taiban is composed of mostly illiterate heathens that have been living in the mountains for 20 years & have never seen the inside of a school or read a book besides the Quran.
Sure, they can break down an AK 47 blindfolded and put it back together, but little else.
And they're going to run a broken country in the 21st century while being ostracized by the majority on Earth?
Fat fucking chance.
I'll give them maybe 5 years (they won't make it that long) and that country will fail.
They're doomed without support and that is fact.
CunningCanuk
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I knew what you meant. My point is that there will be a lot of suffering now that the Taliban has taken over.
I don’t believe you can wash your hands of all responsibility for any future suffering, now that you’ve left.
hanimmal
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Is Canada still there?
CunningCanuk
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No. None of the countries in the coalition are there now, unfortunately.
hanimmal
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I disagree with it being unfortunate us getting out. We were not moving people there to open businesses and build up their economy and obviously would have had to continue to dump billions/trillions into that nation to keep the government propped up, and were just painting a target on our backs.
I have a lot of hope that 20 years has given a lot of people there a start in life that they would not have otherwise had, and that they will do the best with it, even if it is a struggle.
Jimdamick
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No shit
Who the fuck is/was in charge of intelligence gathering for the last 75 years that made all these fucking mistakes in interpretation of data they gathered.
They have been fucking up since WW2 starting with the threat from Hitler & Japan that they missed.
Then Korea (We'll kick their ass, forgetting about China)
Then Vietnam (another cake walk, right? Just a "police action" right?)
Then one of the CIA/NSA's most significant fuck up's, Iraq & the WMD's.
And then we come to Afghanistan.
Did any of those stupid fucks read the history of that fucked up country, how the Russians tried for 100 years to gain influence there only to be told to fuck off.
Or how the British invaded 3 times and lost every time.
We were doomed from the 1st moment we went in.
History should have taught us/them that.
hanimmal
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If history has taught us anything, it is that entitled white men sure don't understand the word 'no'.
printer
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Afghanistan is going to need lots of aid otherwise people will starve. The Taliban will have to go cap in hand to the world. While doing that they have to be on somewhat good behavior. I am concerned about the fighters and the wives they had been promised.
The world must not look away as the Taliban sexually enslaves women and girls
In early July, after Taliban leaders who took control of the provinces of Badakhshan and Takhar issued an order to local religious leaders to provide them with a list of girls over the age of 15 and widows under the age of 45 for “marriage” with Taliban fighters.
If these forced marriages take place, women and girls will be taken to Waziristan in Pakistan to be re-educated and converted to “authentic Islam.”
Despite claiming they’ve changed their stance on women’s rights, the Taliban’s actions and latest efforts to commit thousands of women to sexual slavery demonstrate quite the opposite.
Furthermore, the Taliban have signalled their intention to deny girls’ education past the age of 12, to ban women from employment and reinstate the law requiring women to be accompanied by a guardian.
theconversation.com
The world must not look away as the Taliban sexually enslaves women and girls
In early July, after Taliban leaders who took control of the provinces of Badakhshan and Takhar issued an order to local religious leaders to provide them with a list of girls over the age of 15 and widows under the age of 45 for “marriage” with Taliban fighters.
If these forced marriages take place, women and girls will be taken to Waziristan in Pakistan to be re-educated and converted to “authentic Islam.”
Despite claiming they’ve changed their stance on women’s rights, the Taliban’s actions and latest efforts to commit thousands of women to sexual slavery demonstrate quite the opposite.
Furthermore, the Taliban have signalled their intention to deny girls’ education past the age of 12, to ban women from employment and reinstate the law requiring women to be accompanied by a guardian.
The world must not look away as the Taliban sexually enslaves women and girls
Emboldened by success in Afghanistan, the Taliban is now ordering religious leaders to provide them with lists of girls over the age of 15 to enter into ‘marriages’ to Taliban fighters.
theconversation.com
CunningCanuk
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Another example of the Afghan people being better off under Taliban control.Afghanistan is going to need lots of aid otherwise people will starve. The Taliban will have to go cap in hand to the world. While doing that they have to be on somewhat good behavior. I am concerned about the fighters and the wives they had been promised.
The world must not look away as the Taliban sexually enslaves women and girls
In early July, after Taliban leaders who took control of the provinces of Badakhshan and Takhar issued an order to local religious leaders to provide them with a list of girls over the age of 15 and widows under the age of 45 for “marriage” with Taliban fighters.
If these forced marriages take place, women and girls will be taken to Waziristan in Pakistan to be re-educated and converted to “authentic Islam.”
Despite claiming they’ve changed their stance on women’s rights, the Taliban’s actions and latest efforts to commit thousands of women to sexual slavery demonstrate quite the opposite.
Furthermore, the Taliban have signalled their intention to deny girls’ education past the age of 12, to ban women from employment and reinstate the law requiring women to be accompanied by a guardian.
The world must not look away as the Taliban sexually enslaves women and girls
Emboldened by success in Afghanistan, the Taliban is now ordering religious leaders to provide them with lists of girls over the age of 15 to enter into ‘marriages’ to Taliban fighters.
Mission Accomplished!