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oswizzle said:
I’ve popped thousands of seeds and seen it one time ever about 10 years ago… not only with clones do you have to worry about DUDS… also theTh Micro mites … fungal and bacterial issues etc …

Seed are clean stock free of all the headaches clone peddlers pass around so easy
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I literally just posted proof that it is not all that clean. Plenty of viruses passed through seed form. No way to test them. I can test every mother plant and make sure my garden is clean. I understand you are a big time seed advocate but in reality there is more question in that area then there is in clones.
 
And as far as your "micro mites" I just find it comical. It is like the south park where they had "Super aids". Can easily keep a pest free environment through solid ipm.
 
Cyclamen mites, Broad mites, Hemp Russet Mites all Micro and need 200x to be seen… I’m sure your passing around mutants of these by now…. You sound desperate bro… my testing is the best lol not per your reviews … anyone who thinks Dark Heart is a good source is a clown show
 
oswizzle said:
Cyclamen mites, Broad mites, Hemp Russet Mites all Micro and need 200x to be seen… I’m sure your passing around mutants of these by now…. You sound desperate bro… my testing is the best lol not per your reviews … anyone who thinks Dark Heart is a good source is a clown show
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Obviously there's a market for clones and elites, otherwise A. No one would buy them. B. every big outfit ie jungleboys etc would only run seeds. Please don't say that a seed run of a cross is better than running the best selection out of maybe 200 plants.
Seeds personally.. I hate wasting the time on them. I've run pretty a fair amount of both and never found anything in seed that even touches some clone onlys. And seeds are extremely over hyped and have been for years too.

This thread isn't Really about what we think of clones, it's about the reviews and experiences on strainly. And if you don't buy seeds or clones there, there's not a lot of point posting in the thread.

My problem is I like strainly and the concept but unfortunately can't trust any vendors there. Simply because they will take $200 for a clone and destroy your garden and not give a shit.
 
And for those who do not understand tissue culture, anything cultured and tested in a lab is free from virus and pests. That's the whole point of tissue culture.

There needs to be more tissue cultures on strainly. Even if the vendor bought from the labs and resold at a mark up I'd buy them. At least then I'd know I was getting a clean cut.
 
sunsetdaydreamer said:
And for those who do not understand tissue culture, anything cultured and tested in a lab is free from virus and pests. That's the whole point of tissue culture.

There needs to be more tissue cultures on strainly. Even if the vendor bought from the labs and resold at a mark up I'd buy them. At least then I'd know I was getting a clean cut.
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Tissue culture does not remove all viruses unless done to a certain extent. HPLvD has to be removed through meristem culture and it is a little more intricate of the process. Takes a few meristem cultures to get to. Have to keep taking the newest form of growth before the viroid can get to it.
 
sunsetdaydreamer said:
And for those who do not understand tissue culture, anything cultured and tested in a lab is free from virus and pests. That's the whole point of tissue culture.

There needs to be more tissue cultures on strainly. Even if the vendor bought from the labs and resold at a mark up I'd buy them. At least then I'd know I was getting a clean cut.
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Anyone buying cuts from DarkHeart or Node labs have cuts that are reinvigorated and cleaned up through tissue culture although I would say DarkHeart is on another level than most. Which is why I find it funny when the pessimist here act like buying their clones are an issue. Shows how little they know.
 
Auntie Janes Nursery said:
Tissue culture does not remove all viruses unless done to a certain extent. HPLvD has to be removed through meristem culture and it is a little more intricate of the process. Takes a few meristem cultures to get to. Have to keep taking the newest form of growth before the viroid can get to it.
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Yeah it's apical meristem culture which takes the growing tip cluster of cells. They can do that in one round of tissue culture and get a clean clone. Regular meristem tissue culture is just taking a whole shoot. A lot of people post that on Instagram etc but actually its just for replication not removing pathogens.
 
Auntie Janes Nursery said:
Anyone buying cuts from DarkHeart or Node labs have cuts that are reinvigorated and cleaned up through tissue culture although I would say DarkHeart is on another level than most. Which is why I find it funny when the pessimist here act like buying their clones are an issue. Shows how little they know.
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Well its almost science vs the bible lol. Yeah dark heart have a sophisticated lab and thorough process. Not sure how legit the cuts are. But if you are in Europe like me then I have no access to tissue cultures at all unless I set my own mini lab.
 
sunsetdaydreamer said:
Yeah it's apical meristem culture which takes the growing tip cluster of cells. They can do that in one round of tissue culture and get a clean clone. Regular meristem tissue culture is just taking a whole shoot. A lot of people post that on Instagram etc but actually its just for replication not removing pathogens.
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Still able to remove some viruses and pathogens as well as spores and bugs through regular meristem. Also definitely beneficial for storage of multiple strains. The apical meristem to remove HPLvD can be a little more of a process and definitely a lot harder to do correctly. DarkHeart offers a service that takes about a year to a year and a half to remove HPLvD.
 
sunsetdaydreamer said:
Well its almost science vs the bible lol. Yeah dark heart have a sophisticated lab and thorough process. Not sure how legit the cuts are. But if you are in Europe like me then I have no access to tissue cultures at all unless I set my own mini lab.
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I have heard a lot of people talk about starting their own mini lab. I was considering it with one of my 4x8 tents. Putting an intake filter on it. Keeping positive pressure and then using a UVC light for sanitation. Was a little to intricate for me at this time. Maybe in the near future.
 
sunsetdaydreamer said:
Obviously there's a market for clones and elites, otherwise A. No one would buy them. B. every big outfit ie jungleboys etc would only run seeds. Please don't say that a seed run of a cross is better than running the best selection out of maybe 200 plants.
Seeds personally.. I hate wasting the time on them. I've run pretty a fair amount of both and never found anything in seed that even touches some clone onlys. And seeds are extremely over hyped and have been for years too.

This thread isn't Really about what we think of clones, it's about the reviews and experiences on strainly. And if you don't buy seeds or clones there, there's not a lot of point posting in the thread.

My problem is I like strainly and the concept but unfortunately can't trust any vendors there. Simply because they will take $200 for a clone and destroy your garden and not give a shit.
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You do know that "clone only's" come from seed right?? Don't understand your "seeds are overhyped and have been for years" comment.

OP
 
Auntie Janes Nursery said:
Still able to remove some viruses and pathogens as well as spores and bugs through regular meristem. Also definitely beneficial for storage of multiple strains. The apical meristem to remove HPLvD can be a little more of a process and definitely a lot harder to do correctly. DarkHeart offers a service that takes about a year to a year and a half to remove HPLvD.
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Yes I believe you..
I have done tissue culture in the past but only meristem culture. Its a lot easier than you think. The agar recipes are probably the hardest part along with really needing a laminar flow hood. Etc. The whole point of the apical meristem is that it's the growing tissue that is growing faster that it can be infected by the other tissues in the plant so it's the most effective. If regular meristem removed HPLvD then you Could just take small top shoot cuttings and sterilise them in bleach and alcohol. The cuts, would be small but would still root. I'm not sure how effective that is but would be cheaper and easier than tc
 
Clone vs seed is kind of a stupid argument. It is personal preference at that point. I choose to go with clones because I have access to elite genetics and reliable distributors and do not care to hunt through seeds and variation. I have done the seed hunts for plenty of years priors. Had my own mothers. And now to keep up with the variety I find purchasing clones to be much more efficient. Now my goal is to grow great medicine for people and myself. It is not to find some sort of new killer strain. I appreciate the people who put in the effort for seed hunts and definitely the breeders, although I do think some breeders are getting overly gimmicky and just throwing out as many crosses of elite clones as they can. But there are still some really great breeders out there. But still if I wanted to strain hunt, seeds would be the way to go. But for my needs and desires the clones are way more efficient and effective.
I mean how can someone like me compete with a seed hunt of the likes of Purple City Genetics, Humboldt Seed company or Node labs?? They are popping 100s to thousands. Just not doable on my end
 
Auntie Janes Nursery said:
I have heard a lot of people talk about starting their own mini lab. I was considering it with one of my 4x8 tents. Putting an intake filter on it. Keeping positive pressure and then using a UVC light for sanitation. Was a little to intricate for me at this time. Maybe in the near future.
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You need a laminar flow hood. A tent would be contaminated as soon as you walk in whereas the hoods push clean air out the hole so that you cant physically introduce spores into the culture.
It would probably cost 5k to 10k for a small lab set up. That would be the hood, microscopes, sterilisation appliances etc.
 
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