AP: US terrorism alert warns of politically motivated violence.

hanimmal

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There is a house hearing on domestic terrorism now that I can't find anywhere to watch. They just reported on MSNBC that there are over 25000 (pretty sure it was what they said) open cases on domestic terrorists. And that the main threat is from loan extremists that are radicalized online. And that foreign adversaries are fanning the flames. But most is classified so they are not talking about it.

Talking about dividing people in our nation and radicalize these people with online disinformation.

Hopefully this will be uploaded soon.
 

mooray

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Law enforcement has made it clear for a long time where they stand. Fuck them and their thin blue line flags.
Think it's mostly dumb redneck non-cops that fly those flags, but I don't quite agree, at least not from a unified sense. They're certainly fractured and the question is, at what point do the good ones say, "ahhhh fuck it" and decide that the job is no longer worth fighting half the democrats, half the republicans, and half of their own? If you're at all worried about the collapse of law enforcement, then 1/6 should show us that now is a really good time to show support for law enforcement, but specifically if you're able to make them aware that the support is coming from hippie side. If you're not at all worried about the collapse of law enforcement, then sure, fuck 'em, while it's still a luxury to do so.
 

HGCC

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We rambled about this before, just have different takes. I think the idea and rule of law are fine, but what currently exists has been corrupted beyond the point of return. There isn't a desire to fix issues from within the organization, and they exist outside the general population (that's what I think we rambled about specifically).

It should be a noble profession, but unfortunately there is a bunch of rot and the whole organization fails because they won't handle it internally, but are also actively working against anyone from the outside holding them accountable or pushing for change. It's like bud rot, you need to cut it out as soon as it's found and start changing up that IPM since it isn't working.
 

mooray

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Definitely understand that feeling. Law enforcement has some parallels that work well, like the bud rot, but there are also some unique aspects that change the dynamic, like the personal risk that the individual assumes. Probably not too many jobs where protecting others from going to prison for fucking up, literally translates to keeping yourself out of prison for fucking up. That's a powerful force to overcome; self preservation. How many people do you know that would tell the truth about a mistake, when telling the truth gets you fired, divorced, loss of assets, and sent to prison?

I don't see how that could ever be addressed, aside from immunity, but they used to have that immunity and we know how that's worked. It's yet another problem that I don't think can be directly addressed. You have to make a better group of people, then you address just about every problem in a way that could never be solved otherwise.
 

HGCC

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Public servants of all types need to be paid better.

Edit: that's simplistic, but they need to increase the quality of the applicants and root out what causes the bad ones. There are a bunch of parallels to the catholic church now that I think about it.
 

hanimmal

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The New York Police Department launched an internal investigation Thursday after a data leak reportedly revealed at least two of its officers are affiliated with the Oath Keepers, a far-right anti-government militia whose members were well-represented among the crowd storming the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6.

"The incident is under internal review," a spokesperson for the NYPD told CNN.

The leak contains emails, published by Distributed Denial of Secrets, between various Oath Keepers and the group's prospective members, the outlet reported. It remains unclear whether the pair of officers are current or former members of the right-wing group and neither officers are currently under scrutiny in connection with the Capitol insurrection.

The leak comes on the heels of a separate but similar hack coordinated in August, in which hacktivist group Anonymous revealed that it had successfully penetrated Epik, a web hosting company that "provides domain name, hosting, and DNS services for a variety of clients," including Gab, Parler, and QAnon home 8chan, as well as the Texas GOP and a variety of other right-wing networks, according to Wired. The group, which gathered 180 gigabytes of data, is now allegedly sitting on a "decade's worth of data from the company."

Aside from the aforementioned NYPD officers, Gothamist also confirmed that three New York public officials were formerly associated with the Oath Keepers. Two of them – Ralph E. Stacy, an Oswego County legislator, and Thomas Zmich, a candidate for Queens Borough president – are members of the state's GOP Party. The third, Ed Keyrouze, is chief of staff for the New York Guard.

The outlet was unable to verify the apparent connection between the Oath Keepers and the NYPD officers.

New York Mayor Bill De Blasio said in response to the allegations that "there will be a full investigation to find out if any officer was involved, how were they involved, what did they do, what did they say, if it's the kind of thing that would disqualify them from serving."

"If we receive an allegation of someone being affiliated with those particular groups, then that would definitely automatically trigger a thorough investigation," NYPD Chief of Patrol Juanita Holmes added.

In the past, Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes claimed the group recruits heavily among past and present members of law enforcement.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/merrick-garland-school-boards-violence-daaff3f659981354b7a9a536db5cf2e2
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General Merrick Garland on Monday directed federal authorities to hold strategy sessions in the next 30 days with law enforcement to address the increasing threats targeting school board members, teachers and other employees in the nation’s public schools.

In a memorandum, Garland said there has been “a disturbing spike in harassment, intimidation, and threats of violence against school administrators, board members, teachers, and staff who participate in the vital work of running our nation’s public schools.”

To address the rising problem, Garland said the FBI would work with U.S. attorneys and federal, state, local, territorial and tribal authorities in each district to develop strategies against the threats.

“While spirited debate about policy matters is protected under our Constitution, that protection does not extend to threats of violence or efforts to intimidate individuals based on their views,” he said.

The action is in response to an urgent request last week from the National School Boards Association. The group, which represents school board members around the country, asked President Joe Biden for federal assistance to investigate and stop threats made over policies including mask mandates, likening the vitriol to a form of domestic terrorism.

The association asked for the federal government to investigate cases where threats or violence could be handled as violations of federal laws protecting civil rights. It also asked for the Justice Department, FBI, Homeland Security and Secret Service to help monitor threat levels and assess risks to students, educators, board members and school buildings.

The group’s letter documented more than 20 instances of threats, harassment, disruption, and acts of intimidation in California, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Ohio and other states. It cited the September arrest of an Illinois man for aggravated battery and disorderly conduct for allegedly striking a school official at a meeting. In Michigan, a meeting was disrupted when a man performed a Nazi salute to protest masking.

“We are coming after you,” a letter mailed to an Ohio school board member said, according to the group. “You are forcing them to wear mask — for no reason in this world other than control. And for that you will pay dearly.” It called the member “a filthy traitor.”

In making the announcement Garland said the Justice Department would use its authority and resources to discourage the threats and “prosecute them when appropriate. In the coming days, the Department will announce a series of measures designed to address the rise in criminal conduct directed toward school personnel.”

School board members are largely unpaid volunteers, parents and former educators who step forward to shape school policy, choose a superintendent and review the budget, but they have been frightened at how their jobs have suddenly become a culture war battleground. The climate has led a growing number to resign or decide against seeking reelection.

In a statement, Chip Slaven, NSBA interim executive director and CEO, praised the Justice Department’s swift action and pointed to the detrimental impact the threats of violence and intimidation have had on the education system.

“Over the last few weeks, school board members and other education leaders have received death threats and have been subjected to threats and harassment, both online and in person,” Slaven said. The department’s action “is a strong message to individuals with violent intent who are focused on causing chaos, disrupting our public schools, and driving wedges between school boards and the parents, students, and communities they serve.”
 

HGCC

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I think everyone should start showing up at the school board meetings, its good to do in general and now there is a great reason. Threaten them back. Stop wringing your hands about hillbillies threatening you and step up and kick em in the dick.
 

mooray

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No need to turn it into a fighting ground. If a cop shows up and two people are kicking each other in the dick, then it's clear they're both wrong, versus cop shows up and some redneck is going crazy on a chill board member, then it's clear the redneck is wrong. Let 'em keep doing what they're doing, it's work itself out.
 

HGCC

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Well lookit u with your high falutin ethically and logically correct response. This is the internet, we got no time for that.

I do think people should go, express their views, education is important. Probably leave the bear mace in the car.
 

mooray

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I hate it too, but the "how to deal with a bully" tactic is best. Don't feed 'em and they'll either get bored, or wind up in jail.
 

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