White Widow Hydro Fog journal

[bobbyboy34]

Started some WW beans, the germed good in a custom fogging setup, i'll post picture later of that when i setup my germ area in my grow room.

set up a hydro room with 600watt Sunmaster MH, mylar and a 110liter/min air pump, the seedlings were yellowing and the stem was purple so i started them on nutes yesterday at 1/2 strength

I plan on keeping a grow log here, see how things work out and maybe people can help me if i run into any trouble

 

[dgafaboutanyone]

looking good >_<

 

[bobbyboy34]

Made a few temporary adjustments to the hydro system. Using a submerable water pump with two 360 sprinklers until the water chiller comes in today then i'll be making it a DWC with water just touching the bottom of the net pots.

The chiller is a ecoPlus chiller amde for hydroponics, 1/10 HP. Should keep the water chilled all the time at the perfect temp (68F). This should be my final addition to the system.

My main concern is getting the roots long enough to start the vigorous growth. You can have the coolest hydro setup, but if you don't start with making the roots grow your plants wont do doodoo. Some roots are long, i'd say myl ongest one is 4inches. Im using rapid rooter plugs, this medium is hard to over water and has a great air-to-water ratio.

After i setup the water chiller and all i'll post up some more pics, also turned off the AC to see if the temp would get too high, for now the temps are good, about 81-83F

wish me luck, any comments or suggestions are welcomed

 

[bobbyboy34]

sorry no pics, everything is still the same, the water chiller didn't come yesterday, i was kind of upset. Im going to go pick it up today, but as of now i dodn't even need it, i might end up selling it, but i'll hold on to it for a little bit just in case.

i took out the fogger because it was heating up the res too much. I emptied the res because the fogger heat turned the res water to a dark brown when it was carmel milky the other day (1 days time). So i made it DWC

I put about 12 gallons of RO water in the res, added FF nutes both grow big and big bloom @ 1/2 stregth. Leaves are still in good shape just yellowing, but the leaves are pointed slightly up towards the light and still have growth, i can see more of the second set of leaves now on most of the seedlings. I raised the HID so that it is about 2ft, really bright powerful light has said to bleach the color of the leaf. Both res temp and ambient are great. I also lifted the rapid rooter pluug a bit more from the bottom of the net pot, they now sit about 3/4 - 1in above the bottom of the net pot. I have the DWC water just covering the bottom of the net pot. Topped the soil plant, first time topping so we'll see if it work for me. I have three 4x10 micro fibre klin burned air stones with a 110 litre/min air pump, LOTS and LOTS of air bubbles. I'll take some photos when things start to green up and roots find the DWC water

I have a smasll movie i made, but i don't know where i can upload it

 

[bobbyboy34]

Day 4

Plants look good this morning when i woke up, they are healing from the yellowing along with starting on their third set of leaves. Balanced PH back to where it needs to be.

Doing a little Experiment, i took 1/4 strength blooming nutes 0-6-4 and put it in a gallon of warm water. I read somwhere giving seedlings a little warmth ensures a health lifespan. So i ph'd the water and added it to three of the now 9 seedlings. I had 8 at first but another one that i had germinated came through so i decided to through it in with the rest.

I watered the rest as to none of them have roots yet touching the DWC water. I took water from the res and watering the plugs with that. Will see how they look later, maybe along with some updated pics

 

[bobbyboy34]

day 5(11/20) pictures, sorry for the delay, have been real busy doing things around the house, but finally made some time to take pics

also added a new sprout to the crew(see last pic)

 

[bobbyboy34]

day 9

I removed the mylar from the top of the res, that stuff was getting so annoying when ever i went to open the res top. Made lots of noise and just got in the way so i removed it.

On day 6 i decided to put full strength nutes due to the fact that the leaves were yellowing, i even gave full strength to the little sprout that just started, they all seem to love it. Leaves are much greener now and larger.

Most plants are starting on their third and fourth set of leaves, yet i see no visible roots. I have 6" net pots maybe thats why. I see a lot of people here use smaller net pots and get roots popping out so fast. I only see roots on one of my plants and they are not yet well developed

That leads me to the question, how come the foilage is growing great, and looks great, yet there are no visible roots?.

Still haven't hooked up chiller, haven't needed it yet. I recieved a bulb i bought from HTG supply, it was crap, it was really bright the first day or two then it went to about half its stated lumens, so i went back to my lovely SUNMASTER MH

the soil plant is doing great, this morning i watered it with a big of EJ catalyst and Super Thrive, you can see the leaf that was growing has more luster

So a total of nine days since sprouts were put into DWC system, Three to four sets of leaves with roots barely showing. Any comments or suggestions to get those roots nice and long???

 

[fred1]

Are you using feminized seeds?

If not, and you have a male, how will you extract it from the other ones being that have put two seedlings in one net pot?

 

[bobbyboy34]

yes, i am using feminized seeds.

and i friggin hope i didn't get screwed was given males. Even if so, i think if you just cut the stem down by the grow medium the plant will be good until the others are done

i use hygrozyme which eats dead roots anyways

 

[fred1]

Looks good man. I just started a DWC setup as well and I am right behind you by a couple days. Using 4 inch net pots and all the roots have popped quite a bit. Your roots should be hitting the water in a couple more days I'd guess.

I'll be keeping track of this one, good luck!

 

[rolla8]

Everything looks good so far. I've got only one suggestion right now... it's a bad idea to have multiple seedlings in a single pot. The roots will intertwine and you'll end up with an unmanageable mess. One pot = one seedling. Other than that, it looks real good. Congrats on getting everything up and running... you'll be smokin' some nice homegrown dank in no time

 

[bobbyboy34]

good luck to you to mate

so you are using 4" net pots, i would assume the smaller the pot the quicker the roots pop out. What did you do or use to get your roots to touch the DWC water? Hand wateR?

 

[bobbyboy34]

Everything looks good so far. I've got only one suggestion right now... it's a bad idea to have multiple seedlings in a single pot. The roots will intertwine and you'll end up with an unmanageable mess. One pot = one seedling. Other than that, it looks real good. Congrats on getting everything up and running... you'll be smokin' some nice homegrown dank in no time

whats wrong with having the roots tangled between each other? Could you give me an example or two where i wouldn't want tangled roots?

 

[rolla8]

The plants will yield less if you grow them together in a single container. This is a pretty well-known fact, and is observed by 99% of growers. It may be of greater concern in container gardens where space for root growth is limited by the container size, but it is bad practice to grow multiple plants in a single container. It forces the plants to compete for nutrients and one always ends up stronger than the other, and the smaller one can get choked out. You want to give each seedling a decent amount of space for lateral growth. Again, these problems may be more pronounced in container gardens but it's still bad practice.

 

[bobbyboy34]

nad damnit, looks like im going to have to go buy some more soil, cause im not making another hydro setup, FAKKK

are you sure??? i mean my res uses 12gal of water.....18gal container....thats not enoguh?

 

[rolla8]

nad damnit, looks like im going to have to go buy some more soil, cause im not making another hydro setup, FAKKK

are you sure??? i mean my res uses 12gal of water.....18gal container....thats not enoguh?

Why not just enough plants to fill up your setup? Packing multiple seedlings into single containers is not going to substantially increase your yield. In fact, like I said before, two plants grown in a single container will yield quite a bit less than if you had grown them separately. Feel free to ask others about this situation, but I think you'll find pretty much the same response as what I've given you. I've been growing for over 10 years and I speak from experience... not second hand info that I'm just repeating.

 

[bobbyboy34]

sweet, well i guess i better make sure of them and use soil, humbug!

 

[fred1]

I had a water pump that pumped water via tubes to the rockwool cubes and dripped back down into the res. No need for hand watering this way. I have one seedling per net pot, and yes they probably do pop out faster with the smaller net pot, but I am a bit concerned about the root situation getting tangled as well. I am growing from non-feminized seeds, so at some point am going to have to remove the males. I am considering transferring the females, once sexed, into 5 gallon buckets. So each flowering female would have its own 5 gallon bucket. I may just leave them all in one res like you have it too, haven't decided yet. This is my first indoor grow, so its a learning process.

 

[Beer42O]

i have 10 or so plants in the same res. All root intertwined. Im getting good yeilds and my buds looks great.

So to all telling you you CANT use 2 seeds per pot, bah to them.

looks good keep it up!

 

[rolla8]

i have 10 or so plants in the same res. All root intertwined. Im getting good yeilds and my buds looks great.

So to all telling you you CANT use 2 seeds per pot, bah to them.

looks good keep it up!

Go back and re-read my post. First off, I never said you CAN'T do it, I said it is not the best way to do it. I am also talking about multiple plants in a single CONTAINER, not reservoir. And I also stated that it's a bigger issue in container gardens than hydro setups. Just because something works doesn't mean it's the right way to go about doing it.