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have you lived in this state yet?The crisis of care standards that were recently moved are limited to protecting staff from exhaustion and to maintain a safe workplace. It specifically says they are not changing standards for ICU patients, just that they may be moved far away depending on staffing and bed availability. Some room is allowed for triage in case there is a crisis.
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Will this reduce the level of care patients receive?
Upon activation, these crisis standards of care for staffing of health care systems may be implemented to best manage the current influx of patients who need care for COVID-19 or any other illness. It can affect the ratio of staff to patients, but allows hospitals to make these management decisions in times of crisis to manage and attend to more patients.
I call shenanigans. That thread you referenced was a poisonous lie.
Fogdog
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Does that matter?
You shouldn't be embarrassed. Plenty of people are fooled by those jerks. Remember when "I heard this: somebody said they eat children at Comet Ping Pong" was the rage? Just saying professional healthcare system is challenged by all sorts of fake news nonsense. Their standards of care do not allow selectively denying care just because somebody was unvaxxed. What you describe fails the sniff test.
I hope this doesn't push you into qtard land.
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she specifically was quoted as saying they wouldn't 'put him on ventilator because he had COVID'..then readers start questioning why (i was able to open the comments) and then the truth came out within those 38 comments which i was working on commenting in the closed thread when it just disappeared. Others were still commenting as well
Fogdog
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she specifically was quoted as saying they wouldn't 'put him on ventilator because he had COVID'..then readers start questioning why (i was able to open the comments) and then the truth came out within those 38 comments which i was working on commenting in the closed thread when it just disappeared. Others were still commenting as well
i'm not embarrassed; just the messenger friend..it came out that he was unvaxxed and that's what according to this family member, the hospital told the family that's why he's in ICU but no ventilator. who knows? maybe he really wasn't sick enough?
glad you've had a good time making fun of me; what does that tell me, us about you, friend?
I'll let you back on my ignore now.
Fogdog
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I'll wait for the investigations to reveal the body count before taking you seriously on this. But do go on.
Sativied
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Given a limited number of ventilators it’s ethical to prioritize those who are most likely to survive, which in practice means chosing vaccinated over unvaxxed.
On the main news channel today in NL:
“The new variant arrived in NL. 10% of 600 people [on the planes from SA) were infected with corona. It’s not known yet if any have the new variant.”
Media love new variants more than Britney Spears drama.
On the main news channel today in NL:
“The new variant arrived in NL. 10% of 600 people [on the planes from SA) were infected with corona. It’s not known yet if any have the new variant.”
Media love new variants more than Britney Spears drama.
Roger A. Shrubber
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if they aren't denying ventilators to the unvaxxed, that's their mistake. i'm thoroughly sick and tired of the whining wretches crying about not wanting to get vaccinated, then crying when they they get infected. let them stay at home and cry to their dog, who may or may not give a shit either. maybe the dogs will eat them when they die, and we won't have to bury their covid riddled corpses, thereby putting the funeral workers at risk.
C. Nesbitt
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This is very true. It remains to be seen how bad the Omnicron variant really is but all the news outlets jumped all over this yesterday. The description “heavily mutated” was used by at least 4 of them in headlines as the story was blowing up.
it's out and when they start testing for that variant (which they've had no reason to do until now) they will see. Johannesburg to Miami 18 hours non-stop. it had to spread to all those countries in South African region before they reported it..how many flights do you think that was to Miami during that time of spread?
i'm worried because a perfectly healthy vaxxed lady died in my building overnite..felt fine the day before, started feeling ill with some breathing issue but not enough to scare her or call EMT..she would do in the AM if she didn't feel better.
we've had several deaths here recently in my building from this; we are moving in reverse. my feeling is bad about this.
i keep asking myself what would be the outcome (of the virus itself) if someone crossed a cold with ebola.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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it would be nice if they knew what the fuck they were talking about...all of the researchers they interviewed said it was a cause for concern, but they all seemed like they weren't flipping shit and running for the hills...another white woman needs to disappear, that seems to be the only thing that all the media will drop covid stories to cover instead
Fogdog
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I'll say it right now. The story Sky posted is fake. The fictitious man in that story, if he were real and needed to be put on a ventilator would have been moved to another facility with capacity to treat him . That kind of shift in standard of care has going on for a while now across several states.
If I'm wrong, the truth will come out. But I'm not wrong on this.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i don't suppose you are. i'm sure doctors and nurses will keep trying to save the lives of the useless pieces of shit who can't be bothered to contribute a fucking thing to the society that grants them all the privileges they're so used to abusing.
CatHedral
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I’ll bet on you before Sky.
captainmorgan
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France detects highly pathogenic bird flu on poultry farm in north - Times of India
Europe News: PARIS: France has detected a highly pathogenic bird flu virus on a poultry farm in the north of the country, the farm ministry said on Saturday.
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printer
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New Colorado health order allows hospitals to refuse patients as COVID cases
November 1, 2021
Updated at 10:00 a.m. on November 5: On Wednesday, hospitals and health systems activated the highest tier of the state's patient transfer system. The move allows hospitals to transfer patients to any hospital in the state, even if the patient doesn't agree to the move.
Gov. Jared Polis opened the door to letting hospitals decline to admit or treat some patients as he signed a pair of executive orders Sunday to help the state deal with a high level of COVID-19 hospitalizations, tight hospital capacity and staff shortages.
There are nearly 1,200 COVID-19 patients hospitalized in Colorado, the most since December, as the highly transmissible delta variant continues to run roughshod through the state’s unvaccinated population. Nearly 80 percent of those hospitalized with coronavirus are unvaccinated, and almost 40 percent of hospitals expect to be short staffed during the next week.
“I am very concerned that we are going to exceed capacity and what dictates capacity is going to be the number of safely staffed beds,” said Dr. Anuj Mehta, a pulmonologist with National Jewish Health and Denver Health, who serves on the Governor’s Expert Emergency Epidemic Response Committee. “It's no longer a question of ventilators. It's a question of safely staffed beds. If you typically have one nurse for two ICU beds, and now you're asking that one nurse to care for four ICU patients, that's not safe anymore.”
The statewide vaccination rate is higher than 60 percent overall, which means more than 2 million people in the state are still unvaccinated.
The executive orders represent a big warning flare to Coloradans that the state could be in for some of its roughest months of the pandemic as the holiday season approaches.
One order authorizes the state health department to direct hospitals and freestanding emergency departments to redirect patients to other facilities.
The other clarifies when emergency decision-making measures, called “Crisis Standards of Care,” can be activated. It also directs the state's insurance division to prepare emergency rules to help address staffing shortages.
Both orders expire in a month but can be reactivated.
Colorado is able to activate its Crisis Standards of Care in sections. No plans are currently active, but the governor's move Sunday opens the door for that.
The guidelines essentially set out how to make the most grave medical decisions if the crisis overwhelms hospitals and resources become scarce. They help dictate how the medical community should allocate things such as ventilators and intensive care unit beds in extreme cases when patient needs exceed the resources available. Those standards would help determine who gets care and at what level.
In practice, invoking the standards is more likely to mean that one hospital can transfer a patient to another, less crowded, hospital, even over the patient's objection.
www.cpr.org
Colorado Is Creating Guidelines To Help Make Excruciating Coronavirus Care Decisions
April 2, 2020
What if four patients in respiratory distress need a ventilator to keep them alive, but a hospital has just one available? Who makes that call? And how?
Public health and community leaders are contemplating excruciating dilemmas just like that before demand for medical help in the coronavirus crisis peaks in coming weeks.
They’re updating protocols, called “crisis standards of care,” for the most urgent medical decision-making possible, guidelines to determine, as resources get scarce, who gets care and at what level and who does not.
“You have to have thought this through in advance. You can't just make that decision at the last second on an ad hoc basis,” said Dr. Matthew Wynia, the Director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado. “So that's what we're planning for right now, hoping we don't ever need to use it. But that's why we're planning.”
“Crisis standards of care is not a decision point. It is thrust upon you. You have to make decisions. These are forced choice,” he said. “This is like Sophie's Choice kind of decisions where you've got two, three, four people, all of whom are likely to die without a ventilator. And you’ve only got one ventilator left in your hospital.”
The crisis standards are defined as a “substantial change in usual healthcare operations and the level of care it is possible to deliver.” They’re prompted by catastrophes like pandemics, earthquakes and hurricanes or a blizzard or train derailment. Business as usual, where medical professionals strive to provide the highest level of care possible, gives way to something more like those battlefield, triage conditions.
Decision-making becomes “how to do as best we can with what we've got,” Wynia said. Under that scenario, some patients “will not be able to get even very basic life saving treatments.”
www.cpr.org
Sure sounds like the beginning of Socialized Medicine to me.
November 1, 2021
Updated at 10:00 a.m. on November 5: On Wednesday, hospitals and health systems activated the highest tier of the state's patient transfer system. The move allows hospitals to transfer patients to any hospital in the state, even if the patient doesn't agree to the move.
Gov. Jared Polis opened the door to letting hospitals decline to admit or treat some patients as he signed a pair of executive orders Sunday to help the state deal with a high level of COVID-19 hospitalizations, tight hospital capacity and staff shortages.
There are nearly 1,200 COVID-19 patients hospitalized in Colorado, the most since December, as the highly transmissible delta variant continues to run roughshod through the state’s unvaccinated population. Nearly 80 percent of those hospitalized with coronavirus are unvaccinated, and almost 40 percent of hospitals expect to be short staffed during the next week.
“I am very concerned that we are going to exceed capacity and what dictates capacity is going to be the number of safely staffed beds,” said Dr. Anuj Mehta, a pulmonologist with National Jewish Health and Denver Health, who serves on the Governor’s Expert Emergency Epidemic Response Committee. “It's no longer a question of ventilators. It's a question of safely staffed beds. If you typically have one nurse for two ICU beds, and now you're asking that one nurse to care for four ICU patients, that's not safe anymore.”
The statewide vaccination rate is higher than 60 percent overall, which means more than 2 million people in the state are still unvaccinated.
The executive orders represent a big warning flare to Coloradans that the state could be in for some of its roughest months of the pandemic as the holiday season approaches.
One order authorizes the state health department to direct hospitals and freestanding emergency departments to redirect patients to other facilities.
The other clarifies when emergency decision-making measures, called “Crisis Standards of Care,” can be activated. It also directs the state's insurance division to prepare emergency rules to help address staffing shortages.
Both orders expire in a month but can be reactivated.
Colorado is able to activate its Crisis Standards of Care in sections. No plans are currently active, but the governor's move Sunday opens the door for that.
The guidelines essentially set out how to make the most grave medical decisions if the crisis overwhelms hospitals and resources become scarce. They help dictate how the medical community should allocate things such as ventilators and intensive care unit beds in extreme cases when patient needs exceed the resources available. Those standards would help determine who gets care and at what level.
In practice, invoking the standards is more likely to mean that one hospital can transfer a patient to another, less crowded, hospital, even over the patient's objection.
New Colorado health order allows hospitals to refuse patients as COVID cases and hospitalizations rise
Gov. Jared Polis opened the door to letting hospitals decline to admit or treat some patients as he signed a pair of executive orders Sunday to help the state deal with a high level of COVID-19 hospitalizations, tight hospital capacity and staff shortages.
www.cpr.org
Colorado Is Creating Guidelines To Help Make Excruciating Coronavirus Care Decisions
April 2, 2020
What if four patients in respiratory distress need a ventilator to keep them alive, but a hospital has just one available? Who makes that call? And how?
Public health and community leaders are contemplating excruciating dilemmas just like that before demand for medical help in the coronavirus crisis peaks in coming weeks.
They’re updating protocols, called “crisis standards of care,” for the most urgent medical decision-making possible, guidelines to determine, as resources get scarce, who gets care and at what level and who does not.
“You have to have thought this through in advance. You can't just make that decision at the last second on an ad hoc basis,” said Dr. Matthew Wynia, the Director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado. “So that's what we're planning for right now, hoping we don't ever need to use it. But that's why we're planning.”
“Crisis standards of care is not a decision point. It is thrust upon you. You have to make decisions. These are forced choice,” he said. “This is like Sophie's Choice kind of decisions where you've got two, three, four people, all of whom are likely to die without a ventilator. And you’ve only got one ventilator left in your hospital.”
The crisis standards are defined as a “substantial change in usual healthcare operations and the level of care it is possible to deliver.” They’re prompted by catastrophes like pandemics, earthquakes and hurricanes or a blizzard or train derailment. Business as usual, where medical professionals strive to provide the highest level of care possible, gives way to something more like those battlefield, triage conditions.
Decision-making becomes “how to do as best we can with what we've got,” Wynia said. Under that scenario, some patients “will not be able to get even very basic life saving treatments.”
Colorado Is Creating Guidelines To Help Make Excruciating Coronavirus Care Decisions
Health care professionals have to make shattering ethical choices, brought on by a tsunami of cases swamping the hospital system, to the kinds of scenes most have only witnessed in movies.
www.cpr.org
Sure sounds like the beginning of Socialized Medicine to me.
CatHedral
Well-Known Member
What other sort of widely-distributed healthcare is there?New Colorado health order allows hospitals to refuse patients as COVID cases
November 1, 2021
Updated at 10:00 a.m. on November 5: On Wednesday, hospitals and health systems activated the highest tier of the state's patient transfer system. The move allows hospitals to transfer patients to any hospital in the state, even if the patient doesn't agree to the move.
Gov. Jared Polis opened the door to letting hospitals decline to admit or treat some patients as he signed a pair of executive orders Sunday to help the state deal with a high level of COVID-19 hospitalizations, tight hospital capacity and staff shortages.
There are nearly 1,200 COVID-19 patients hospitalized in Colorado, the most since December, as the highly transmissible delta variant continues to run roughshod through the state’s unvaccinated population. Nearly 80 percent of those hospitalized with coronavirus are unvaccinated, and almost 40 percent of hospitals expect to be short staffed during the next week.
“I am very concerned that we are going to exceed capacity and what dictates capacity is going to be the number of safely staffed beds,” said Dr. Anuj Mehta, a pulmonologist with National Jewish Health and Denver Health, who serves on the Governor’s Expert Emergency Epidemic Response Committee. “It's no longer a question of ventilators. It's a question of safely staffed beds. If you typically have one nurse for two ICU beds, and now you're asking that one nurse to care for four ICU patients, that's not safe anymore.”
The statewide vaccination rate is higher than 60 percent overall, which means more than 2 million people in the state are still unvaccinated.
The executive orders represent a big warning flare to Coloradans that the state could be in for some of its roughest months of the pandemic as the holiday season approaches.
One order authorizes the state health department to direct hospitals and freestanding emergency departments to redirect patients to other facilities.
The other clarifies when emergency decision-making measures, called “Crisis Standards of Care,” can be activated. It also directs the state's insurance division to prepare emergency rules to help address staffing shortages.
Both orders expire in a month but can be reactivated.
Colorado is able to activate its Crisis Standards of Care in sections. No plans are currently active, but the governor's move Sunday opens the door for that.
The guidelines essentially set out how to make the most grave medical decisions if the crisis overwhelms hospitals and resources become scarce. They help dictate how the medical community should allocate things such as ventilators and intensive care unit beds in extreme cases when patient needs exceed the resources available. Those standards would help determine who gets care and at what level.
In practice, invoking the standards is more likely to mean that one hospital can transfer a patient to another, less crowded, hospital, even over the patient's objection.
New Colorado health order allows hospitals to refuse patients as COVID cases and hospitalizations rise
Gov. Jared Polis opened the door to letting hospitals decline to admit or treat some patients as he signed a pair of executive orders Sunday to help the state deal with a high level of COVID-19 hospitalizations, tight hospital capacity and staff shortages.
Colorado Is Creating Guidelines To Help Make Excruciating Coronavirus Care Decisions
April 2, 2020
What if four patients in respiratory distress need a ventilator to keep them alive, but a hospital has just one available? Who makes that call? And how?
Public health and community leaders are contemplating excruciating dilemmas just like that before demand for medical help in the coronavirus crisis peaks in coming weeks.
They’re updating protocols, called “crisis standards of care,” for the most urgent medical decision-making possible, guidelines to determine, as resources get scarce, who gets care and at what level and who does not.
“You have to have thought this through in advance. You can't just make that decision at the last second on an ad hoc basis,” said Dr. Matthew Wynia, the Director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado. “So that's what we're planning for right now, hoping we don't ever need to use it. But that's why we're planning.”
“Crisis standards of care is not a decision point. It is thrust upon you. You have to make decisions. These are forced choice,” he said. “This is like Sophie's Choice kind of decisions where you've got two, three, four people, all of whom are likely to die without a ventilator. And you’ve only got one ventilator left in your hospital.”
The crisis standards are defined as a “substantial change in usual healthcare operations and the level of care it is possible to deliver.” They’re prompted by catastrophes like pandemics, earthquakes and hurricanes or a blizzard or train derailment. Business as usual, where medical professionals strive to provide the highest level of care possible, gives way to something more like those battlefield, triage conditions.
Decision-making becomes “how to do as best we can with what we've got,” Wynia said. Under that scenario, some patients “will not be able to get even very basic life saving treatments.”
Colorado Is Creating Guidelines To Help Make Excruciating Coronavirus Care Decisions
Health care professionals have to make shattering ethical choices, brought on by a tsunami of cases swamping the hospital system, to the kinds of scenes most have only witnessed in movies.
Sure sounds like the beginning of Socialized Medicine to me.
captainmorgan
Well-Known Member
It appears the GOP had a reason to be afraid of death panels LOL.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
it just sounds like triage to me...you have to have some guide lines of who to treat out of a pool of people who need treatment. when there isn't enough resources to go around, you have to be careful what you use the resources you do have for. i don't know what the criteria they use are, but they do need some, age, general health, VACCINATION STATUS....should all be considered...why waste resources on someone who's likely to die anyway? why waste resources on someone who refuses to take any kind of steps to avoid being infected in the first place?New Colorado health order allows hospitals to refuse patients as COVID cases
November 1, 2021
Updated at 10:00 a.m. on November 5: On Wednesday, hospitals and health systems activated the highest tier of the state's patient transfer system. The move allows hospitals to transfer patients to any hospital in the state, even if the patient doesn't agree to the move.
Gov. Jared Polis opened the door to letting hospitals decline to admit or treat some patients as he signed a pair of executive orders Sunday to help the state deal with a high level of COVID-19 hospitalizations, tight hospital capacity and staff shortages.
There are nearly 1,200 COVID-19 patients hospitalized in Colorado, the most since December, as the highly transmissible delta variant continues to run roughshod through the state’s unvaccinated population. Nearly 80 percent of those hospitalized with coronavirus are unvaccinated, and almost 40 percent of hospitals expect to be short staffed during the next week.
“I am very concerned that we are going to exceed capacity and what dictates capacity is going to be the number of safely staffed beds,” said Dr. Anuj Mehta, a pulmonologist with National Jewish Health and Denver Health, who serves on the Governor’s Expert Emergency Epidemic Response Committee. “It's no longer a question of ventilators. It's a question of safely staffed beds. If you typically have one nurse for two ICU beds, and now you're asking that one nurse to care for four ICU patients, that's not safe anymore.”
The statewide vaccination rate is higher than 60 percent overall, which means more than 2 million people in the state are still unvaccinated.
The executive orders represent a big warning flare to Coloradans that the state could be in for some of its roughest months of the pandemic as the holiday season approaches.
One order authorizes the state health department to direct hospitals and freestanding emergency departments to redirect patients to other facilities.
The other clarifies when emergency decision-making measures, called “Crisis Standards of Care,” can be activated. It also directs the state's insurance division to prepare emergency rules to help address staffing shortages.
Both orders expire in a month but can be reactivated.
Colorado is able to activate its Crisis Standards of Care in sections. No plans are currently active, but the governor's move Sunday opens the door for that.
The guidelines essentially set out how to make the most grave medical decisions if the crisis overwhelms hospitals and resources become scarce. They help dictate how the medical community should allocate things such as ventilators and intensive care unit beds in extreme cases when patient needs exceed the resources available. Those standards would help determine who gets care and at what level.
In practice, invoking the standards is more likely to mean that one hospital can transfer a patient to another, less crowded, hospital, even over the patient's objection.
New Colorado health order allows hospitals to refuse patients as COVID cases and hospitalizations rise
Gov. Jared Polis opened the door to letting hospitals decline to admit or treat some patients as he signed a pair of executive orders Sunday to help the state deal with a high level of COVID-19 hospitalizations, tight hospital capacity and staff shortages.
Colorado Is Creating Guidelines To Help Make Excruciating Coronavirus Care Decisions
April 2, 2020
What if four patients in respiratory distress need a ventilator to keep them alive, but a hospital has just one available? Who makes that call? And how?
Public health and community leaders are contemplating excruciating dilemmas just like that before demand for medical help in the coronavirus crisis peaks in coming weeks.
They’re updating protocols, called “crisis standards of care,” for the most urgent medical decision-making possible, guidelines to determine, as resources get scarce, who gets care and at what level and who does not.
“You have to have thought this through in advance. You can't just make that decision at the last second on an ad hoc basis,” said Dr. Matthew Wynia, the Director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado. “So that's what we're planning for right now, hoping we don't ever need to use it. But that's why we're planning.”
“Crisis standards of care is not a decision point. It is thrust upon you. You have to make decisions. These are forced choice,” he said. “This is like Sophie's Choice kind of decisions where you've got two, three, four people, all of whom are likely to die without a ventilator. And you’ve only got one ventilator left in your hospital.”
The crisis standards are defined as a “substantial change in usual healthcare operations and the level of care it is possible to deliver.” They’re prompted by catastrophes like pandemics, earthquakes and hurricanes or a blizzard or train derailment. Business as usual, where medical professionals strive to provide the highest level of care possible, gives way to something more like those battlefield, triage conditions.
Decision-making becomes “how to do as best we can with what we've got,” Wynia said. Under that scenario, some patients “will not be able to get even very basic life saving treatments.”
Colorado Is Creating Guidelines To Help Make Excruciating Coronavirus Care Decisions
Health care professionals have to make shattering ethical choices, brought on by a tsunami of cases swamping the hospital system, to the kinds of scenes most have only witnessed in movies.
Sure sounds like the beginning of Socialized Medicine to me.
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