BigGpops
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Thats a Beautiful! I'm a big fan of that Motor Punch. Reveged my last and it just kept growing after i harvested it. i will be keeping that one around, remindedd me of old school days!
Greenpoint seeds!!
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Maker Scream
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Yessir, I was a fan too. Had 3 distinctly different phenos. The biggest had a wild haired haystack appearance. Gassy af, the other was more tight and purp punch leaning. The rest were a good mix of each
Maker Scream
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I must not understand what tester means. Doesn’t that usually mean, unproven genetics that we’d like tested for free before we sell them?
T Ray
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I mean I agree with you. However being someone who worked a long time as a tester for TGA I get the frustration from “Breeders” that when they distribute “testers” out only the trusted loyal ones typically run them and give them the valuable feedback they need to make decisions on whether or not to go on the line with them. Most of them get either kept or never ran.
So I can understand wanting to get something monetary from the tester seeds as opposed to just giving them out to the people hoping they are loyal and give results and grow reports.
However I do agree with ya they should be heavily discounted say 25% of normal prices as they are essentially untested genetics. Even if you are upfront about that starting the auctions at full price is kind of bs IMO.
However if there are (and unfortunately there are) a bunch of dumbasses who want to pay $50+ for untested genetics, then he is not going to sell them for less than the market will pay.
If I see them get into the low $20’s on auction I’d play the game bc a few catch my eye but otherwise I wouldn’t touch them.
However I’m one of the ones who would run them and give him the info he wanted too and those are few and far between.
T Ray
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Maker Scream
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When you see “tester sign ups”, do you assume you’re signing up to buy something?
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T Ray
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I don’t sign up for them as I prefer to grow as a hobby and prefer to chose what I want to run.
Im simply stating that I don’t see an issue if a breeder wanted to get some monetary value for testers. As I said I feel like charging 25% of full price would be fair if you were upfront that they are untested genetics.
I also said I feel like my range for untested seeds would be low $20’s.
I don’t think it should be expected to automatically get testers for free no. Shipping isn’t free.
Again coming directly from subcool he would tell me how frustrating it was that only about 5% of the free seeds he sent out actually came back with any grow reports/results from them.
Does it say when you sign up, the testers are given out for free? I’m genuinely asking. I don’t know.
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T Ray
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Why do you feel that way? Why does a breeder owe it to you to pay to ship you seeds and take that small chance you actually give a report for free? Maybe after you’ve developed a rep with that breeder I agree then free wouldn’t be an issue.
I had access to all of Subs seed collection and testers when I asked, but if he would of asked for shipping or a small fee (he never did) I would of felt it was more than fair.
I also built a relationship with him that when he sent them he knew I was going to provide the info he needed and it wasn’t free even then. It was a trade of seeds for valuable info on the strain.
Nothing is free. Seeds for info isn’t reliable for breeders as 95% don’t actually follow through, so charging a small amount of money until your trusted is more than fair.
Atleast that way a breeder isn’t literally just giving the seeds away bc people are flaky af or just scamming for a free pack. It’s a trade for info and when the person getting sent seeds isn’t following through why should they continue that “free” method that isn’t working?
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T Ray
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What marketing are you talking about?
thenotsoesoteric
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Breeders can grow their own seeds out though so why pay to ship them to other folks? Just grow your own shit and show results, test complete.
Plus you can ship seeds in corrugated plastic and a greetings card for about $.80 per tester. Not really breaking the bank.
Selling testers is pathetic.
Like saying someone's POTM was won fraudulently because you mad ain't no one winning with your "elite cuts crosses", (sorry inside joke.)
T Ray
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I do agree with you about in house testing. In fact a lot of breeders have started going that route bc of the lack of reliable honest public testers.
I guess some breeders still like to have the public test their seeds bc otherwise you get the old “rushing the strains to the line without testing”. Atleast he’s being open and honest with the process about how he’s going about it.
My main point is he’s chosen to do it. You may not like it and if you don’t like his practices you don’t have to purchase his seeds tester or non tester.
It’s a free market and he’s obviously doing something right bc I’m with you I wouldn’t spend good money on untested genetics, but there’s plenty of people who will and are. His shit is selling out and he’s getting people to pre order and selling out a week after the batch is released in Regs. His Stardawg is a stud apparently bc everyone wants whatever is hit with it. And even breeders acknowledge that.
The market decides if it’s a good idea or not. Getting all mad and insisting that they be free isn’t going to change his mind.
He listens to his pocket book. When he tried dropping Stardawg Male and took away Reverse Auctions the market decided those were bad for his business and he listened bc the market decided those were bad moves. So he brought them back.
I have no idea about the POTM thing as I’m not aware of the inside joke.
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T Ray
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What same posters pump up Green point?
1. Good question. However the auctions are continuing to climb back up to full price so definitely some suckers who are paying for them.
2. I agree with you it may not be good business from a moral standpoint, but again if people don’t buy them, it will naturally correct the market as they won’t sell and he will be forced to go a different route. Time will tell.
It really seems to really rile people up and bring out the haters if you ask me.
And if your referring to me as pumping them up, I guess I’d have to ask you in what way am I pumping up GP genetics or saying they have a superior product? Please explain in detail where I say that? Look through all my photos….you won’t find a GP picture or me pumping GP genetics. I’m clone only or TGA guy. Just recently have I even dabbled in others genetics. I had a free library of TGA for years.
I am a consumer and like to pheno hunt and now that I ran last of my TGA had stashed, I definitely go to GP site as he has strains/crosses I like, I do check the site for good auction prices but not once have I pumped GP up.
I am just pointing out that there’s a lot of complaining about something you don’t or can’t control. If you don’t like his product simply don’t buy it.
Don’t come to a forum and cry about it being unfair, how it’s bad business and they should be free bc they just should be. They aren’t and unless they don’t sell he won’t change the process. It’s pretty simple honestly.
BigGpops
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How do you think you can tell someone what they should give away or what the price should be thats just insane!
C-mon Man, listen to yourself. Everyone likes Free. and you can find it, Search!
Its Just the Craziest thing to say!
don't be so upset about some making a living, Smile an be happy for those with more hustle then you have. Its Work!
Stop stirring up unnecessary complaints!
C-mon Man, listen to yourself. Everyone likes Free. and you can find it, Search!
Its Just the Craziest thing to say!
don't be so upset about some making a living, Smile an be happy for those with more hustle then you have. Its Work!
Stop stirring up unnecessary complaints!
the real mccoy
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Paying for test seeds?
Life's too short to be growing Greenpoint testers, especially ones you have to pay for.
Life's too short to be growing Greenpoint testers, especially ones you have to pay for.
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Chunky Stool
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T Ray
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I wouldn’t say I’m well enough versed on the inner workings at GP to have any clue. All I know is that it is in high demand and the results seem to show that whatever Star Dawg male he is using is passing off traits people like to it’s offspring and at a pretty good rate.
I would assume when you have a stud you keep it in the stable and would use the same one over and over.