LUXX CLONE LEDs SUCK B4LLZ

[calvin.m16]

@grotbags noticed the same thing I did, this spectrum seems a bit heavy with the blue.

Also, not much value at this price point for these specs IMO ($85 for (2) 46" LED strips @40 umol)

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Yep found my receipt I paid around 70 dollars per/2 pack and they are literally not even wired in anymore. I just have 5 x 2 packs of them sitting in the corner.. Maybe I will daisy chain them above my canopies for generator lighting if power goes out? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


RIP $371

 

[calvin.m16]

I've just changed the bulbs in my Gt lightwave 4 bulb T5 unit, 4 osram lumilux 6500k cost me £16 delivered.

With old original bulbs @ around a foot was 952 lux after changing the to the new bulbs the reading was up to 1382 lux
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Watt for watt 4k led has a much higher output but i get heat from the fluorescents and they're beneficial to my clones at 3 days old.

Well at least one of us didn't buy a shitty product lol.

 

[furbolg]

i love my t5 veg lights and I will never replace them. veg plants don't need a lot of light. they need the right amount of light and the right amount of heat, which flouros provide and LED does not.

I gave the LED i built for veg to my buddy to flower in smaller space and bought a 4' 4 bulb and all my headaches went away.

 

[calvin.m16]

This led community is a bit disgusting and I would have to put the majority on par with the vaccination absolutists who just love mandates and cloth masks.
Op comes in and shares his experience, potentially saving others some cash and hardship when they don't get a 1:1 replacement for their T5 and get's pounced on and treated like he has no clue how to grow plants.
Yet, the fanboys continue to cheer for led mandates of commercial grow ops?
Growers love technology, I just look forward to the day that these led peddling bandits actually offer honest products that will swap 1:1 with the technology they claim to replace without all of the woes.

Wouldn't most agree that traditionally plant cuttings are rooted in shade? Any idea what that spectrum looks like?
Strange times we are living in

I have been saying the Gavita 1700e is not a 1:1 replacement for the 1000w HPS and people argue. Gavita website itself says the 1930e is a direct replacement NOT the 1700e..

LED is a marketing scheme at this point it costs more than it's worth. I've switched everything other than my VEG room away from LEDs. The only reason I'm not running T5 and CMH through my veg is I paid $2,250 for 3 Growers Choice ROI-720 and I'm going to get my money out of them.

I just hover over usernames on here and click Ignore on all the annoying trolls on here.

My bad for trying to save people from making the same mistake and wasting money thinking they're getting a 1:1 replacement for T5 when they are certainly and absolutely not.

 

[calvin.m16]

i love my t5 veg lights and I will never replace them. veg plants don't need a lot of light. they need the right amount of light and the right amount of heat, which flouros provide and LED does not.

I gave the LED i built for veg to my buddy to flower in smaller space and bought a 4' 4 bulb and all my headaches went away.

T5 & HPS GROWERS SQUAD UP!

 

[furbolg]

They are getting more light and less heat. Little plants don't enjoy that.

T5 & HPS GROWERS SQUAD UP!

T5 for veg and LED for flower can work nicely too

 

[calvin.m16]

I swapped the flouros in my Sunblsze 22 for LED bulbs, couldn’t be happier

Grow store was trying to convince me to seitch to Luxx last week, they must have an incentive? I do run the Luxx Pro for veg and flower.

For fun beat them down on price as hard as you can and get a 2 pack of them and see what I"m talking about in real life testing.

 

[calvin.m16]

They are getting more light and less heat. Little plants don't enjoy that.



T5 for veg and LED for flower can work nicely too

The room stays a steady 78-80 °F 60-65% humidity so I don't think environment is the issue. I have Co2 supplementation of 800-1000 PPM and when I grow under the T5s they are explosive. There is no issue to solve, these lights suck.

 

[calvin.m16]

There is no way in hell these plants look like this from the LEDs themselves. I feel like they swapped T5s out for those then took a video showing how "explosive" the growth was. I'd love to love the lights, I just can't.

 

[calvin.m16]

Probably.... to put it in perspective.... I just started some new clones yesterday under my flower room lights and I stuck some paper towel on top of the dome to block the light. Too much light promotes top growth when you want root growth. Also make sure you have a dark period.

I run my clone & veg 18/6 so they get a dark period. Climate is controlled with a 1 ton mini split with heat pump for if temps drop below 70 at night.

 

[calvin.m16]

With the clone strips they only used 36 watts between the 2 strip so 18 each and the spectrum is equivalent to 9000k or Kelvin witch daylight is usually represented as 6500k so 9000k is really blue and isn't made to grow that's why they aren't doing much that spectrum is geared only for one thing, rooting seedlings and clones in rockwool. All it is would be morning spec

I noticed the clones that were under the LED were taking TWICE the time to root and for the first time in a couple years I had some clones actually fail to root under these further pissing me off. The problem is when these cause the plants to grow weird due to spectrum or lack of power once you transplant them, they have to start their life with that shitty growth, like 4 nodes stacked on top of each other it looked like they were pre-flowering almost..

I'm hoping someone who has used the LUXX Clone LEDs successfully can chime in and prove me wrong? Been a while and still no one has proven me wrong it's all speculation thus far..

I'd rather use twice the electricity with T5 than deal with undesirable growth attributes and a delayed schedule.

 

[OneHitDone]

I noticed the clones that were under the LED were taking TWICE the time to root and for the first time in a couple years I had some clones actually fail to root under these further pissing me off. The problem is when these cause the plants to grow weird due to spectrum or lack of power once you transplant them, they have to start their life with that shitty growth, like 4 nodes stacked on top of each other it looked like they were pre-flowering almost..

I'm hoping someone who has used the LUXX Clone LEDs successfully can chime in and prove me wrong? Been a while and still no one has proven me wrong it's all speculation thus far..

I'd rather use twice the electricity with T5 than deal with undesirable growth attributes and a delayed schedule.

I have been having pretty good results with 3500K led tubes in T5 fixtures. I would still give the growth performance a better rating under the old 6500K fluorescents though.
I am going to try doing a mix 3:1 LED Tube to Fluorescent and see how that goes.
The power savings is definitely something worth noting if we can get the proper growth performance

 

[calvin.m16]

I have been having pretty good results with 3500K led tubes in T5 fixtures. I would still give the growth performance a better rating under the old 6500K fluorescents though.
I am going to try doing a mix 3:1 LED Tube to Fluorescent and see how that goes.
The power savings is definitely something worth noting if we can get the proper growth performance

The T5 mixed in with LED would likely perform better I'm guessing. The power savings and less heat is the only reason I can see LED being at all interesting anymore. If anything my VEG room is going to be converted to CMH and I'm going to sell the Growers Choice ROI-720 and not use LED at all. If electricity wasn't so expensive everyone I feel like would be running T5 & HID lighting.

 

[Grojak]

User error?

 

[welight]

dont see much drill down here on spectrum which is the issue, 9000k is heavy blue, thats a node stacker and completely unsuited to seedling. You need a balance that strikes between light level and spectrum, typically led in 6500k wont be different than T5 6500 and you could get much better CRI in Led. I would use these 9000k for lighting my aquarium but not much else
Cheers

 

[Star Dog]

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[OneHitDone]

dont see much drill down here on spectrum which is the issue, 9000k is heavy blue, thats a node stacker and completely unsuited to seedling. You need a balance that strikes between light level and spectrum, typically led in 6500k wont be different than T5 6500 and you could get much better CRI in Led. I would use these 9000k for lighting my aquarium but not much else
Cheers

Exactly - spectrum
6500K in "typical" led definitely does not allow the plants to behave the way they do under 6500K florescent. Not even close.
I've been playing a lot with multiple crops and that big honker 450nm spike is the culprit.
3500K 80cri led tube grows much more like a 6500K fluorescent

While your here - can you build your soul skin boards in 2200K with 730nm and 400nm?

 

[Kassiopeija]

I've been playing a lot with multiple crops and that big honker 450nm spike is the culprit.

yeah this is no bueno seen from multiple angles. its just heavy on the same depth of the leaf tissue.
plus in the blue & UV region of the light the plants have so many different absorption peaks, from chlorophyl to photo receptors etc pp
the LED industry took this royal blue spike as their best trade off - but it's neglecting so much and certainly not typically what a plant is adapted to from outside/nature.

the missing heat/IR but higher PAR output is also bonkers.

then, each individual diode doesnt give away the light evenly distributed, not at all. it wont matter if you got 1000 diodes light cones cross each other, but does this actually happen when the distance is only very close?

 

[calvin.m16]

dont see much drill down here on spectrum which is the issue, 9000k is heavy blue, thats a node stacker and completely unsuited to seedling. You need a balance that strikes between light level and spectrum, typically led in 6500k wont be different than T5 6500 and you could get much better CRI in Led. I would use these 9000k for lighting my aquarium but not much else
Cheers

Exactly - spectrum
6500K in "typical" led definitely does not allow the plants to behave the way they do under 6500K florescent. Not even close.
I've been playing a lot with multiple crops and that big honker 450nm spike is the culprit.
3500K 80cri led tube grows much more like a 6500K fluorescent

While your here - can you build your soul skin boards in 2200K with 730nm and 400nm?

Spectrum seems to be the real issue with these lights based on experienced opinions. I swear the plants literally do not laterally grow at all they just stack nodes and it almost looks like pre-flowering with how bad it is. I worked with Luxx customer service to no resolution for a month before making this thread.

Thanks for the educated inputs. I got ripped $370 :\

 

[OneHitDone]

Looks like Chilledgrowlights is doing the old monkey see monkey do also. Can't wait to see all of the reviews from the happy customers with that veg spectrum