Another gun thread

[Fogdog]

Can you link one? California has done us a dirty with the redundant term “assault weapon”. What you do with a weapon, any weapon, is assault. Even defensive sword work is counterassault.

So to generate a category called “assault weapon” is pure negative branding. A legislative overreach, but it does seem to be popular.

What seriously slows my gun-rights roll is the observation of how tightly the display of guns these past two years has correlated with white racists. I will surrender my firearms (actually, sell them off while I can) rather than support racists.

My one ask/hope is that it becomes codified that police (other than FBI) are civilians, and nowhere exempt from civilian law. California again: police are allowed to own “assault weapons” denied other civilians. End this corrupt exemption. Please.

Where are you going with this?

I don't live in CA and don't own a gun other than my speargun used for spearfishing. But your post surprised me because I saw a federal law that specified quite clearly which makes and models were banned, not just some blanket "assault rifle" term. I agree that that term is nebulous.

So, I looked it up and it does specify very clearly which guns the law bans. This link contains that list.

Then again the whole thing is likely to be moot because the ban was overturned last year and is only in force under a stay while the case goes through the appeal process.

 

[HGCC]

Which is probably the reason for the state laws.

I wish there was a way to have urban vs rural distinctions within a state. I have no problem with people having whatever they want. I have a big problem with gun jackasses in cities. Out in the middle of nowhere...well there's bears or whatever, no accessible assistance for crimes, and eh, if you want to shoot cars/TV's/etc whatever floats your boat. We need far less guns in densely populated areas. Keep at home or in the trunk if going to shoot somewhere, stop packing at the grocery store. Gun assholes tend to escalate situations, they can fuck right off with that bullshit.

 

[cannabineer]

Where are you going with this?

I don't live in CA and don't own a gun other than my speargun used for spearfishing. But your post surprised me because I saw a federal law that specified quite clearly which makes and models were banned, not just some blanket "assault rifle" term. I agree that that term is nebulous.

So, I looked it up and it does specify very clearly which guns the law bans. This link contains that list.

Then again the whole thing is likely to be moot because the ban was overturned last year and is only in force under a stay while the case goes through the appeal process.

In my state, they’ve gone further. They do not have a banned list. They have an allowed list, which excludes some real head scratchers like Olympic target arms.

Where I am going with this is the inconsistency of how the law is applied to civilians vs. special-category civilians. I want to see uniformed civilians held to the exact same level of restriction as the other civilians.

Also I’m commenting on the stupidity of the term “assault weapon”. It is redundant and yet inflammatory. But there seems to be no legal remedy to stop its misuse.

I’m guessing that your speargun is not a firearm. The ones I’ve seen use elastic to propel the pointy bit.

 

[schuylaar]

I wish there was a way to have urban vs rural distinctions within a state. I have no problem with people having whatever they want. I have a big problem with gun jackasses in cities. Out in the middle of nowhere...well there's bears or whatever, no accessible assistance for crimes, and eh, if you want to shoot cars/TV's/etc whatever floats your boat. We need far less guns in densely populated areas. Keep at home or in the trunk if going to shoot somewhere, stop packing at the grocery store. Gun assholes tend to escalate situations, they can fuck right off with that bullshit.

how many times did you hear protestors tell Kyle Rittenhouse to put the gun away because it was inflammatory?; you saw him smile because he was a big man, kept right on going.

Medic my ass.

 

[Fogdog]

In that vein, I assume and execute the responsibility to keep my guns and associated hardware safe.

At the same time I am alarmed by recent law in San José.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/26/us/san-jose-gun-law-wednesday/index.html
It looks to me like unconstitutional taxation. I doubt police departments are subject to this new statute.

It will go through the courts. I didn't know you lived in San Jose. If you do, then you have the right to join with other voters to get that law repealed. If you don't then it's not really any of your business what San Jose does.

I don't own a firarem. Considering how security and other measures taken to reduce risk of school shootings are costing my school district, I see no reason why the gun industry and gun owners should not shoulder most of the burden for it. I get that the US has peculiar gun rights compared to other nations. SCOTUS has spoken quite loudly on the issue. I agree that any laws in the land must follow their guidance. I'm for following the law and if I don't like the law, it's my right to seek legal ways to get the law changed.

On a personal level, my youngest had nightmares after he went through his first shooter drill at school. To me the trauma he went through seems so unnecessary.

At the heart of the matter, I want gun homicide rates in the US to be as low as other similar nations. Is that too much to ask for?

 

[Fogdog]

In my state, they’ve gone further. They do not have a banned list. They have an allowed list, which excludes some real head scratchers like Olympic target arms.

Where I am going with this is the inconsistency of how the law is applied to civilians vs. special-category civilians. I want to see uniformed civilians held to the exact same level of restriction as the other civilians.

Also I’m commenting on the stupidity of the term “assault weapon”. It is redundant and yet inflammatory. But there seems to be no legal remedy to stop its misuse.

I’m guessing that your speargun is not a firearm. The ones I’ve seen use elastic to propel the pointy bit.

Gun owners love to deflect to the minutia of the law rather than the intent of the law.

What it's called seems irrelevant to me. I call them mass murder weapons. Yeah I'm biased.

The speargun was brought up mostly to mock. Just ignore that. Virtually no gun owner will every harm another person with their toys. I have zero issues with people owning guns. I'm more concerned with how to reduce rates of gun injuries and death. Because I'm ignorant on the subject, I look to gun owners and ask them why they tolerate the mayhem their gun industry is causing?

 

[Fogdog]

In my state, they’ve gone further. They do not have a banned list. They have an allowed list, which excludes some real head scratchers like Olympic target arms.

Where I am going with this is the inconsistency of how the law is applied to civilians vs. special-category civilians. I want to see uniformed civilians held to the exact same level of restriction as the other civilians.

Also I’m commenting on the stupidity of the term “assault weapon”. It is redundant and yet inflammatory. But there seems to be no legal remedy to stop its misuse.

I’m guessing that your speargun is not a firearm. The ones I’ve seen use elastic to propel the pointy bit.

Regarding the laws giving special rights to special category civilians. Yeah that sucks. We have whole threads about the police. All those posts haven't made a dent in any of it. But I agree with you.

 

[cannabineer]

It will go through the courts. I didn't know you lived in San Jose. If you do, then you have the right to join with other voters to get that law repealed. If you don't then it's not really any of your business what San Jose does.

I don't own a firarem. Considering how security and other measures taken to reduce risk of school shootings are costing my school district, I see no reason why the gun industry and gun owners should not shoulder most of the burden for it. I get that the US has peculiar gun rights compared to other nations. SCOTUS has spoken quite loudly on the issue. I agree that any laws in the land must follow their guidance. I'm for following the law and if I don't like the law, it's my right to seek legal ways to get the law changed.

On a personal level, my youngest had nightmares after he went through his first shooter drill at school. To me the trauma he went through seems so unnecessary.

At the heart of the matter, I want gun homicide rates in the US to be as low as other similar nations. Is that too much to ask for?

I don’t live in San Jose. I lived close for a number of years. I’m south now.

I agree. I would like gun homicides reduced as well. I’m my opinion, doing away with inconsistencies because “states’ rights” is a useful thing. There is no reason why gun law should be different in Reno or San Fran, in Hilo or Boise.

But the biggest impediment I see is that there are civilians and then there are civilians. I’ll accept a lot of restrictions so long as they are evenly levied on all civilians.

 

[cannabineer]

Gun owners love to deflect to the minutia of the law rather than the intent of the law.

What it's called seems irrelevant to me. I call them mass murder weapons. Yeah I'm biased.

The speargun was brought up mostly to mock. Just ignore that. Virtually no gun owner will every harm another person with their toys. I have zero issues with people owning guns. I'm more concerned with how to reduce rates of gun injuries and death. Because I'm ignorant on the subject, I look to gun owners and ask them why they tolerate the mayhem their gun industry is causing?

I was a life member NRA.

Last year I actually read their magazine. It was really offensive.
I wrote them to terminate my membership. They make that oddly difficult.

It’s nice not to get glossy MAGA in my mail from a notional civil-liberties organization.

So I do not tolerate the excesses of the cartelized gunmakers. I voted with my wallet.

 

[Budley Doright]

In Ca a 10-round mag is max unless you’re a cop. I’m ok with that. Life member Varmint Hunters’ Society here, but I’ve never gone on a hunt and probably never will. If I did, I’d select a bolt gun, probably single-shot.

Wow amazing that I still assumed 5 was the limit (taught in hunter safety) but I see someone found a loophole .

 

[schuylaar]

I don’t live in San Jose. I lived close for a number of years. I’m south now.

I agree. I would like gun homicides reduced as well. I’m my opinion, doing away with inconsistencies because “states’ rights” is a useful thing. There is no reason why gun law should be different in Reno or San Fran, in Hilo or Boise.

But the biggest impediment I see is that there are civilians and then there are civilians. I’ll accept a lot of restrictions so long as they are evenly levied on all civilians.

the problem is and always remains, the people. gun people do as they please and see nothing wrong with breaking the law that others agree to follow.

 

[cannabineer]

Wow amazing that I still assumed 5 was the limit (taught in hunter safety) but I see someone found a loophole .

There was a two-week interval when Ca magazine law went walkabout. I heard of those who bought many large mags then. It is this sort of on-again off-again gun law that irritates me. I like the sort of gun that is unaffected by this. But by Gum if I cannot legally buy a “pistol-caliber pistol”* I begrudge my uniformed fellow civilians the same.

*The term means an AR-mechanism autoloading gun without a shoulder stock and chambered in a typical pistol cartridge like 9 or 45 ACP. These compact weapons are considered good at CQB and house clearing.

 

[cannabineer]

the problem is and always remains, the people. gun people do as they please and see nothing wrong with breaking the law that others follow.

This gun person pays attention to and respects the law. I’m ideologically impure, you see. I put people ahead of guns.

 

[mooray]

There was a two-week interval when Ca magazine law went walkabout. I heard of those who bought many large mags then. It is this sort of on-again off-again gun law that irritates me. I like the sort of gun that is unaffected by this. But by Gum if I cannot legally buy a “pistol-caliber pistol”* I begrudge my uniformed fellow civilians the same.

*The term means an AR-mechanism gun without a shoulder stock and chambered in a typical pistol cartridge like 9 or 45 ACP. These compact weapons are considered good at CQB and house clearing.

Exactly why I'm sick of AR's. I'm not "into" guns as much these days and thus am no longer interested in having to study every night to make sure I'm all good.

 

[cannabineer]

Exactly why I'm sick of AR's. I'm not "into" guns as much these days and thus am no longer interested in having to study every night to make sure I'm all good.

It astounded me that the NRA publication was full of ads for and reviews of weapons not available in my state. It had a real spiteful feel to it.

 

[schuylaar]

Wow amazing that I still assumed 5 was the limit (taught in hunter safety) but I see someone found a loophole .

doesn't 2A say you have the right to bear arms? that was a single shot musket when written. 10 has no relationship to the meaning of 2A.

 

[mooray]

It astounded me that the NRA publication was full of ads for and reviews of weapons not available in my state. It had a real spiteful feel to it.

I was a member years ago for about a minute, then ten pounds of NRA trash media starting showing up in the mailbox every week and that was enough of that.

 

[schuylaar]

It astounded me that the NRA publication was full of ads for and reviews of weapons not available in my state. It had a real spiteful feel to it.

i thought LaPierre bankrupted the place and it's being dissolved?

 

[cannabineer]

doesn't 2A say you have the right to bear arms? that was a single shot musket when written. 10 has no relationship to the meaning of 2A.

The 2A says “arms”. The Minutemen carried rifles. Muskets were an adaptation for conscript armies.

 

[cannabineer]

i thought LaPierre bankrupted the place and it's being dissolved?

“chickens hatched”