Has anyone else had unbelievable bad luck with herms? I'm getting desperate

[Billy the Mountain]

I think if anything, there's more shitty genetics abounding because anyone can throw some seeds in a bag, print some labels, and call it a day.

Light-stress, over-feeding and other abuse won't cause a plant to hermie if it doesn't already have that predisposition

 

[MICHI-CAN]

Any chance you had a herm in the beginning? I'm just pondering residual pollen. When did you last sterilize or even clean tent and contents?
A thought for all.

 

[xtsho]

I think if anything, there's more shitty genetics abounding because anyone can throw some seeds in a bag, print some labels, and call it a day.

Light-stress, over-feeding and other abuse won't cause a plant to hermie if it doesn't already have that predisposition

All cannabis plants can develop into hermaphrodites given the right conditions. Stress can and does play a factor. You're right that there is a flood of crappy genetics out there but lots of people are growing those crappy genetics and are not getting hermies so it can't just be that.

All I know is I've never had any issue in decades of growing regardless of what genetics except for wild type landrace strains a couple of times. I'm just not ready to scapegoat one potential cause because from what I see looking at the forums there are many other factors.

Plants leaves should not be curling and turning yellow with brown dead spots on them like the ones in the photo. Especially at the stage of flowering that plant is in.

You never heard about hermies back when people just kept things simple with their feeding and had healthy plants with lush soft leaves from seed to harvest. Now there are all these plants that have been overfed or improperly fed with dark green crispy leaves becoming hermies. That can't be overlooked and ignored by just assuming it's the seeds.


I won't bother cutting and pasting anything but if anyone wants to read a good study on Hermaphroditism in Marijuana this is pretty good.

Hermaphroditism in Marijuana

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7329997/

 

[Skiderbee]

Sanitize your grow space.

 

[FlooKy]

You just said it yourself mate, Barneys and InHouse are well known for their gear herming and especially if the environment isn't ideal.

I've heard bad things about In House but I thought Barneys were pretty reliable?

It seems patently obvious that poor genetics are the root of your problem.

It's certainly not a light issue causing seed production.

How are you so sure it's not a light issue? I've tried a variety of different seeds that's what makes me think genetics are unlikely to be the problem.

you are dealing with unstable genetics. Gorilla glue is the result of a random herm accident in the first place. So then these companies breed that trait into their genetics and guess what it keeps happening.

I agree that the Platinum Gorilla was a risky move especially from In House, but I've tried wedding cake, pineapple chunk, kritical kush and others and they all were female at the start and ended up with seeds in the buds. How can you be so sure its the genetics?

Stressed plants.

Yeh thats my thinking as well, that colouring is definitely signs of stress. If my understanding is correct then even just 1 plant that has been stressed could produce nanners and pollinate all the others which makes them produce seeds?

I used to order overseas to US...Seedsman, Herbie's etc and got TONS of herms. Swore up and down that maybe I'm just stressing them out or something. Switched to Ethos, haven't seen one since, not even a nanner in late bloom. Like others said, GENETICS.

 

[FlooKy]

Sanitize your grow space.

I obsess over it after the last few grows having seeds, everything gets cleaned with diluted h202 and water. All the insides of the tent, fans, equipment etc.

All cannabis plants can develop into hermaphrodites given the right conditions. Stress can and does play a factor. You're right that there is a flood of crappy genetics out there but lots of people are growing those crappy genetics and are not getting hermies so it can't just be that.

All I know is I've never had any issue in decades of growing regardless of what genetics except for wild type landrace strains a couple of times. I'm just not ready to scapegoat one potential cause because from what I see looking at the forums there are many other factors.

Plants leaves should not be curling and turning yellow with brown dead spots on them like the ones in the photo. Especially at the stage of flowering that plant is in.

You never heard about hermies back when people just kept things simple with their feeding and had healthy plants with lush soft leaves from seed to harvest. Now there are all these plants that have been overfed or improperly fed with dark green crispy leaves becoming hermies. That can't be overlooked and ignored by just assuming it's the seeds.


I won't bother cutting and pasting anything but if anyone wants to read a good study on Hermaphroditism in Marijuana this is pretty good.

Hermaphroditism in Marijuana

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7329997/

Thanks for the read i'll definitely give it a look. Aside from the stress from the plants being too close to the bulb, do you have any other ideas what could be causing the herms?

 

[Billy the Mountain]

How are you so sure it's not a light issue? I've tried a variety of different seeds that's what makes me think genetics are unlikely to be the problem.

Because a plant with stable genetics will not hermie with exposure to too much light; it will simply get burnt/bleached.

 

[FlooKy]

Because a plant with stable genetics will not hermie with exposure to too much light; it will simply get burnt/bleached.

In that case what seeds would you recommend? I'd just bought another batch from Barneys Farm: Glookies (Gorilla glue and Girl Scout Cookies) lol from reading these posts im nervous to plant them now... I had genuinely heard that Barneys Farm were a decent breeder.

 

[Thundercat]

I agree that the Platinum Gorilla was a risky move especially from In House, but I've tried wedding cake, pineapple chunk, kritical kush and others and they all were female at the start and ended up with seeds in the buds. How can you be so sure its the genetics?

I definitely agree that your plants are stressed out and have issues which lead to your current position. However like Billy said if the genetics weren’t prone to growing herms or rodalization then the stress shouldn’t have caused it.

I’ve grown lots of different genetics over the years. I grew them out and cloned them to find keepers as mother plants. Through this process I always stress tested the plants. I used strong lights(1kHPS 14ish inches from the tops), even bleached 1-2 plants over the years, and they got temp swings, and light leaks. Out of many strainsI only had a few plants that rodelized at the end of life and I’ve only gotten 1 true herm plant from seed if I remember correctly.

here’s another question…Are the “seeds” that are forming mature seeds, little green seeds, or tiny black specks in the middle of the bract?

 

[hotrodharley]

In that case what seeds would you recommend? I'd just bought another batch from Barneys Farm: Glookies (Gorilla glue and Girl Scout Cookies) lol from reading these posts im nervous to plant them now... I had genuinely heard that Barneys Farm were a decent breeder.

Check out @JBCSeeds. Nothing but good genetics. Buy American.

 

[FlooKy]

I definitely agree that your plants are stressed out and have issues which lead to your current position. However like Billy said if the genetics weren’t prone to growing herms or rodalization then the stress shouldn’t have caused it.

I’ve grown lots of different genetics over the years. I grew them out and cloned them to find keepers as mother plants. Through this process I always stress tested the plants. I used strong lights(1kHPS 14ish inches from the tops), even bleached 1-2 plants over the years, and they got temp swings, and light leaks. Out of many strainsI only had a few plants that rodelized at the end of life and I’ve only gotten 1 true herm plant from seed if I remember correctly.

here’s another question…Are the “seeds” that are forming mature seeds, little green seeds, or tiny black specks in the middle of the bract?

Yeah ok thanks for the info. The seeds from the previous grows have been mature seeds and the seeds that are in my current grow look exactly the same. They seem to be popping up everywhere in all the nugs

 

[FlooKy]

Also found a pic of a previous grow here: https://ibb.co/CzNS5rP

The buds were no where near the lights and yet it still had seeds in the end

 

[eastcoastmo]

I've heard bad things about In House but I thought Barneys were pretty reliable?
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Barneys is just rubbish full stop. But they are also known for herms as well.

 

[FlooKy]

Barneys is just rubbish full stop. But they are also known for herms as well.

So annoying what a waste of time and money. I've been looking into Karma Genetics which multiple people have told me are reliable and also going to try reg seeds instead of fems.

 

[jungle666]

I definitely agree that your plants are stressed out and have issues which lead to your current position. However like Billy said if the genetics weren’t prone to growing herms or rodalization then the stress shouldn’t have caused it.

I’ve grown lots of different genetics over the years. I grew them out and cloned them to find keepers as mother plants. Through this process I always stress tested the plants. I used strong lights(1kHPS 14ish inches from the tops), even bleached 1-2 plants over the years, and they got temp swings, and light leaks. Out of many strainsI only had a few plants that rodelized at the end of life and I’ve only gotten 1 true herm plant from seed if I remember correctly.

here’s another question…Are the “seeds” that are forming mature seeds, little green seeds, or tiny black specks in the middle of the bract?

What's your choice of seadbanks thundercat

 

[Thundercat]

What's your choice of seadbanks thundercat

well I havnt ordered seeds in years at this point. When I did I used attitude because at the time it was the easiest place to order from. Ive had good results from the “female seeds” C99 I grew. I had an awesome G13 labs white widow. Ive grown great plants from Sin City seeds, I actually did some testing for them for 2 seasons back in 2013-14ish. I did have some rodelization happen in a few of the Sin City plants but I also got some super dank plants, one platinum delight I kept for 4-5 years. I’ve had some nice plants from Dinafem but nothing I kept long term. Same thing for KCbrains when I first started and needed some cheap seeds to get going.

I currently work with “Doc Dank Seeds”, on IG @daystarflameworks while I havnt grown any of his seeds personally, I have followed his work for years and people seem to really like the genetics. We’ve got a couple new genetic projects Going now which should also yield some exciting results.

Doc speaks very highly of CSI humbolt and their breeding and testing processes but i

 

[iggy097]

This just happened on my first grow with White Widow. I still don't know what caused it - so many seeds.