Sad and Droopy plants

[crimsonecho]

Neem does traps I leave the cover over bottom if needing to place on soil. I grow organically so the rhizosphere is a priority to me. One or two neem soil drenches if infested will not effect the outcome more so than the baby gnats eating plants roots. After neem you can always water with mycorrhizae and other means to help put microbes back in or help stabilize after the neem. Personally I've never noticed it or used neem enough to see a difference caused by using neem.

not the microbial life but the higher life forms are the ones getting decimated by the neem. i dont use any bottled products in my organics just homemade ewc and thats where the hypoaspis comes from. they get stuck on the traps and die off because of the oils used in neem suspensions. de kills them too. so i chose to keep my higher life forms happy to balance out the soil and whatnot. hypoaspis eats every little gnat larvae plus any other larvae or egg in the soil.

 

[crimsonecho]

Nope, no fertilizers.

so it cant be too hot i guess

 

[rmax]

When looking at soil check its first ingredient out. That is what the medium is mainly comprised of. Look for aged forest material as the first ingredient most soils list peat moss or something else.

The plants are in dark right now so they can't be transplanted until later.

I looked up the ingredients of the soil choices.

Thoughts on returning the Pro-Mix and exchanging it for the "organic"?

 

[rmax]

so it cant be too hot i guess

Right. Ingredient list:

 

[GroBud]

not the microbial life but the higher life forms are the ones getting decimated by the neem. i dont use any bottled products in my organics just homemade ewc and thats where the hypoaspis comes from. they get stuck on the traps and die off because of the oils used in neem suspensions. de kills them too. so i chose to keep my higher life forms happy to balance out the soil and whatnot. hypoaspis eats every little gnat larvae plus any other larvae or egg in the soil.

Cool beans bud

 

[GroBud]

The plants are in dark right now so they can't be transplanted until later.

I looked up the ingredients of the soil choices.

Thoughts on returning the Pro-Mix and exchanging it for the "organic"?

Most " organics " aren't organic, just have to look at the ingredients. Last time I went to lowes I only found 1 bag outta all those bags that listed aged forest material

 

[crimsonecho]

Right. Ingredient list:

looks alright and if the roots were ok too when you transplanted and not circled and shit i really dont know what it can be they will grow out of it with a little rootspace and balanced rich soil i’m sure.

mine do droop after a while in the same pot. they do a growth spurt and when they start circling the pots they start looking unhappy then i uppot and in a week they are back to growing as they were.

 

[rmax]

I'm going to return the Pro-Mix for the "organic" because the organic has earth worm castings and "composted" forest material..

Later tonight when I transpalnt I'lll get some pics of the roots and post them.

 

[rmax]

I exchanged the soil for, "Just Natural® Organic Container and Potting Soil Mix."

In the ingredient list I'm closest to New Hampshire as the crow flies.

$7.99 for a cubic foot. Contains worm castings.

 

[rmax]

Lights came on about an hour ago so I began transplant work. The roots were still wet from the last watering, this is good.

At this point I halted transplant because I decided to get larger pots. While I wouldn't consider these root bound, they will be at end of flowering.

Below is pics of the roots.

I'm thinking 10 gallon cloth pots. Should I keep the six plants or whittle them down to four?

 

[rmax]

'decided to keep all six plants so went with 5 gallon Smart Pot knock-offs that were made in Vietnam. I cheeped-out and didn't buy the risers.

I need two more bags of dirt and it's lights-off. Will post pics of the transplant operation later.

 

[Pmidg]

Here are the two outside plants, same droopiness.

If this new soil works I may eject two more plants from the tent. I'll grow 4 biggies.

Throw some grass seed under the plants when the grass sprouts it will fix the plants.

 

[GroBud]

Any kind of cover crop needs to be added before plants. 1- putting cover crops under a canopy will hinder cover crop growth and development due to inadequate lighting, growing indoors. The soil hardly gets any light under a full canopy growing indoors. 2 will cover crop sprout, live, die and decompose within a soon enough time to be effective?. Adding a cover crop near flower that's highly unlikely. That's Imo if someone has had successful results planting cover crops near flower instead of before transplant that's awesome, I wouldn't have thought it.

 

[Pmidg]

Any kind of cover crop needs to be added before plants. 1- putting cover crops under a canopy will hinder cover crop growth and development due to inadequate lighting, growing indoors. The soil hardly gets any light under a full canopy growing indoors. 2 will cover crop sprout, live, die and decompose within a soon enough time to be effective?. Adding a cover crop near flower that's highly unlikely. That's Imo if someone has had successful results planting cover crops near flower instead of before transplant that's awesome, I wouldn't have thought it.

I was looking at the two outside plants and I have done it inside under a canopy with little light penetration. Fescue works good sprouts well and will activate system fix over watering and cool the soil so your microbes have a chance living soil is about producing life and environment in the soil including the surface. I would plant grass after I trim up to leach excess nitrates and salts early in flower left over from raw material used to amend during winter. It may not work for you just trying to help.

 

[rmax]

Three transplanted. I started a little early. Basically I popped them out of the previous flower pots, took a shovel to the root ball then planted in the Smart Pot knock-offs.

I had six, five gallon pots to fill. I bought 4.5 cubic feet of soil. I am two cubic feet short so now have to trek back to the store for two more cubics.
This soil must be good, it stinks like cow poop.

 

[rmax]

Throw some grass seed under the plants when the grass sprouts it will fix the plants.

Plant grass in the cloth pots?

 

[Pmidg]

Sure, it will help but you really hit that root ball hard it's going to take a while put them in less intense light maybe the shade for part of the day and see if that helps. Are they hardened off and I thought they were going in the ground?

 

[rmax]

Sure, it will help but you really hit that root ball hard it's going to take a while put them in less intense light maybe the shade for part of the day and see if that helps. Are they hardened off and I thought they were going in the ground?

Two plants live outside in the ground. Six plants live indoors, in fabric pots/tent life.

 

[rmax]

I got the transplanting done. I'll PH a gallon of water each to 6.5, let it sit an hour then fill them up.

Will post a pic tomorrow just before lights out.

Thanks everyone!

 

[rmax]

Yesterday I transplanted. These plants each got 1 gallon of plain, un-PH'ed tap water. There was no run-off.

They don't really look improved, yet. At this point I lowered the lights to about 24" from the tops and lowered intensity to low.

They do look like they're growing, just sickly.