Username85
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If you haven’t been giving nutes yet I would start. Coco should always be fed with nutes, never straight water-daily watering too, coco shouldn’t ever really dry out
First setup w/ tent - what do you think? (pics)
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ninjapoodles
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You think for the nutes?? I was really anxious starting to give and kill.
I'll go 1/2 dose for now to be safe, but atleast it'll give'em something
Username85
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I’ve only grown in coco once, but I learned your supposed to give nutes with every water and you may need to water every day or multiple times a day. Hopefully one of the coco people can chime in and give some more solid advice on feed strengthsYou think for the nutes?? I was really anxious starting to give and kill.
I'll go 1/2 dose for now to be safe, but atleast it'll give'em something
ninjapoodles
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Agreed.
Any Coco people around who might want to give tip on this matter?
- Nutes every watering in coco?
- Frequency or watering in coco? Seedlings v.s bigger girls..?
(w/ 25-30% perlite)
coreywebster
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You seem to be running two lights which is unnecessary.
I'd either run the LED or the HID .
Which ever gets your temps closest to ideal
I'd either run the LED or the HID .
Which ever gets your temps closest to ideal
coreywebster
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You can pick up second hand quality extraction fans cheap as chips on ebay if your on a budget
ninjapoodles
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Yeah might be a good idea - I don't know if the single 1200w led will be enough for 4 plants though? I've grown 2 perfectly nice big ones with the 400hps, I've heard good and bad from both types.
That's really good to know. Did not check there - didn't think would be such the place for them.
coreywebster
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I doubt the LED will be good enough for flowering but it will be fine for seedlings.
ninjapoodles
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Update on current setting 
2 of the 4 planted sadly damped, even if all treates equally with same mL water and such.
I planted 2 extra ones to compensate.
So I now have 2 that are 2 months in veg and 2 that are 3 weeks old. One of the youger one (CBD) is stretching a bit though!
They seems somewhat slow, but content.
I also cut 9 clones off the bigger girl.
They were cut with clean sterilized blade, 45 degree angle and were immediately transplanted in tiny bit damp coco vessel (not overwatered) with some root growth helper gel.
Clones were fine for the first 48h, nice and quite pointy. They're in a 25-26C° dome 70-95% humidity with 3x23Watts fluorescent lights.
Unfortunately most collapsed on me today and I'm really scratching my head. Really though they were happy!! Any ideas?
Other than that, I would say it's a nice little project going on. A bit slow, but fun nonetheless
2 of the 4 planted sadly damped, even if all treates equally with same mL water and such.
I planted 2 extra ones to compensate.
So I now have 2 that are 2 months in veg and 2 that are 3 weeks old. One of the youger one (CBD) is stretching a bit though!
They seems somewhat slow, but content.
I also cut 9 clones off the bigger girl.
They were cut with clean sterilized blade, 45 degree angle and were immediately transplanted in tiny bit damp coco vessel (not overwatered) with some root growth helper gel.
Clones were fine for the first 48h, nice and quite pointy. They're in a 25-26C° dome 70-95% humidity with 3x23Watts fluorescent lights.
Unfortunately most collapsed on me today and I'm really scratching my head. Really though they were happy!! Any ideas?
Other than that, I would say it's a nice little project going on. A bit slow, but fun nonetheless
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ninjapoodles
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Pic of the (now) sad clones...
Maybe too humid?
Maybe too hot?
I thought 24.5-26 was good and 70-95% humid was good, with not too much light. 18/6 rn
Maybe too humid?
Maybe too hot?
I thought 24.5-26 was good and 70-95% humid was good, with not too much light. 18/6 rn
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Lenin1917
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You’ll want an exhaust fan, 4in 200ish cfm
You’ll want either a ait cooled hood for your hps or a 200-300w(actual power the one you’ve only draws like 100 and blurples in general make things difficult. Otherwise seedlings look fine. Try not to get overwhelmed it can seem like a lot at first and till your dialed in and comfortable it’s gonna feel like your not saving money cause your gonna find something you need in there every paycheck
or you’re like me and take things to far you’ll finds yourself expanding the grow every harvest.
You’ll want either a ait cooled hood for your hps or a 200-300w(actual power the one you’ve only draws like 100 and blurples in general make things difficult. Otherwise seedlings look fine. Try not to get overwhelmed it can seem like a lot at first and till your dialed in and comfortable it’s gonna feel like your not saving money cause your gonna find something you need in there every paycheck
or you’re like me and take things to far you’ll finds yourself expanding the grow every harvest.
MonsterDrank
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You don't have a fan blowing right on these do you? Your fan should always be circulating air above the canopy, not directly hitting the plant.
I always dip my clones in clonex and then straight in a rapid rooter kept in a humidity dome.. I use a spray bottle with plain water and just mist them daily.. I get near 100% success and usually when trouble appears I'll just remake the cut a half inch or so higher and dip in clonex again.. rinse and repeat the same process until they start to root. I've never tried what you're doing. I always use a humidity dome for clones and rapid rooters, I've never planted straight into the growing media like you appear to be doing.
A pack or rapid rooters, a bottle of clonex, a cheap spray nozzle water bottle and a humidity done should be all you need for perfect clones every time (I use 3/ml per gal Liquid Karma as well.. not necessary but its helpful). You don't wanna overspray with water as you want to encourage the rooting and roots will grow out to seek water. I would soak my rapid rooters the first time and use the spray bottle to spray around the edges of the root plugs as days go on to encourage the roots to grow out to the edge and seek water. Cannabis likes its media to mostly dry out before the next watering so apply the same rule of thumb with rapid rooters, you want them to not be totally dry when you re-spray them but not soaking wet either. Clones shouldn't be kept under HPS light either.. I put mine under 24/7 light using either a small CFL/T5/LED light kept at a slightly further distance than normal for the first few days.
You can use the same type of method to water around the edges of the pots with seedlings too and that'll encourage roots to spread out and seek water as well. I do that with seedlings in solo cups. To see if it's time to rewater in cups or pots or growbags, etc I lift them. If the bag is really light and seems on the dry side it's watering/feeding time. If it's heavy that means the soil/media is too damp.
Also.. the problem with growing under LED I find sometimes is it can take longer for the growing media to dry out. So it can be easier to over-water plants due to the Temps under LED to being much cooler than using HPS.. at my current stage I've experimented with LED, typical metal halide, High Pressure Sodium.. etc.. our favorite type of light and we are now running several of these.. are LEC Ceramic Metal Halide lights from Sun System. Here is what I use ---> LINK They make both 120v and 240v models. We use 240v through a light controller plugged into a standard digital timer.
With that 400w HPS u can certainly get away without needing to air-cooled it as you may already realize but what you may not know is that once you're I'm flower you'll want a fan of some sort pulling the room/tent air into a carbon filter because even just a small grow like that will stink up the entire home. The smell will be very obvious the first step into your home from the outside. Plants in flower have incredible powerful smell. I use a good carbon filter at all times and also a Uvonair Ozone generator I keep outside if the room in a hallway set up on a 15min on/off timer.
I also wanna mention I do however have a small LED light I use strictly for seedlings and clones. I don't think LED is useless.. many people use them but for flower I feel LEC is superior.. I had a powerful LED light that was supposed to replace a 1000w ballast a guy on these forums recommended to me once. It was subpar performing and eventually it burst into flames.. nearly burning down the house. So I'm done with trying that.
But that's a whole long story. I do love those Sun System LEC lights tho. Good luck with your clones.
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ninjapoodles
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No fan at all for this small dome as it's only for the clones. Should I have one? Unaware of this
Just about the same process, but I put directly in coco as I saw worked fine in many videos and threads. Never heard rapid rooters, but I've googled it, and yeah that make sense too ! Hopefuly coco will not be hindrance to them. Also just mist them with water and inside the doom to keep humidity up there.
Very smart tip, cutting an inch upper - keeping that in mind !
Also letting the roots reach water, smart too !
Decided to go with CFL to prevent heat and too much light for them - didn't une the HPS or high LED on them. I figure this was not the mistake I've made.
Wanted to use red cups, but didn't have any at hand and I'm more experimenting with cloning, but I would be happier with success. Maybe I should've opted for that instead.
For the main 4 plants, I've decided to let HPS outside the equation, not using it at all right now. Many recommended to ditch it completely - I might take it out during flowering as I heard LED is better for veg than bloom. HPS creating lots of heat too, so might be better at that time to increase temps and prevent molding/insects etc.
Yeah I'm all for LED tbh, I like it really much so far - much better temperature control overall - HPS will be useful during winter, but for summer LED is perfect so far.
Hopefuly these clones survive
Thanks for all the tips, super appreciated !!
ninjapoodles
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Many said to just completely ditch the HPS, which I did and so far, results are pretty nice, I have a lot more control on temperature of tent.You’ll want an exhaust fan, 4in 200ish cfm
You’ll want either a ait cooled hood for your hps or a 200-300w(actual power the one you’ve only draws like 100 and blurples in general make things difficult. Otherwise seedlings look fine. Try not to get overwhelmed it can seem like a lot at first and till your dialed in and comfortable it’s gonna feel like your not saving money cause your gonna find something you need in there every paycheck
However, might take it out during bloom as I heard LED is better for veg than bloom. HPS creating lots of heat too, so might be better at that time to increase temps and prevent molding/insects etc.
Also seedlings are original pics from start of grow 2 months back. Updated pics are today
The baby ones are clones I'm trying to keep alive, but I'm having issues with them - first time cloning
hotrodharley
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Leave any dome off. Again moist or even really wet medium but allow some drying. What do roots look like?
ninjapoodles
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So you think I should ditch the dome (this is what keeps humidity) ?
No way to check roots, sadly :/
hotrodharley
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Ditch the dome at this point. Pick up the tray they’re in and lift it up and look. There should be roots showing in the drain holes by now. Or dig one out. Take a knife and run it around the edge and use a big spoon to scoop the medium out.
ninjapoodles
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Well F. I scooped 1, there was nothing, i recut an inch upper and replanted with root gel. So I tried another... nothing... Only 2 out of 5 I tested had the tiniest strands of root.
Clearly I did something wrong. How long does it usually take for roots to sprout? .-. I'm so confused.