Kassiopeija
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Jacks 3-2-1 order
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I could use that argument about a huge number of products that are sold to cannabis growers but I've moved to a different approach. As of my last grow, I look at the nute issue from the perspective of satisfying the plants' needs. From what I can gather, cannabis doesn't need a whole lot. After all, plants just just 19 chemical as nutrients, no matter how pretty the bottle.
I used bottled nutes for my two grows last year and then ran into the situation this year where Botanicare Bloom (IIRC) could no longer be sold in California. That was a problem for me because I was about ⅔ way through a grow. Partly because of that and partly because I'm don't like to pay to ship water around, I decided to stop using bottled nutes and I started using dry nutrients. That's not knocking bottled nutes, at all. They make things really easy and they're worth the price to a lot. I just decided to go a different route.
I considered Jack's and MegaCrop and one of the reasons why I chose Jack's was there's good information about Jacks here at RIU. As looked for info about dry nutes vs bottled, I came across an interesting set of threads by growers who make their own nutes. One of the foundational topics is the elemental PPM's that are needed to cannabis and, based on what I've read, Jack's 3-2-0 provides a really sound set of chemicals for cannabis.
Another discussion was about the chemical levels in plant tissue at various stages and it was interesting to see how little things changed through the veg and flower. I don't have the details off the top of my head but I've taken the approach that a lot of those folks did which was to run the same nutes from start to finish.
To me, the question isn't "Why skip it?". I could make up my own sets of bottles that are in, for example, the Botanicare Kind Expert line of nutes (that's what I was using).
In short, my perspective went from "Don't skip it!" to "Why add it?" and I can't find a reason to add it.
Re. taste - I'm not sold on that idea. On one hand, I don't think sulfur is even taken up by the plant and, second, I'm not too sold on the idea that adding a chemical in flower can actually change the flavor when the product is set on fire and inhaled, after a few months of drying and curing. There's a whole lot of things that influence the crop during drying and curing so it would difficult to unequivocally state that the addition of sulfur in flower resulted in a change in taste.
I'd be more convinced if there people had been able to tell the difference in multiple blind tests. Has anyone done controlled, blind taste tests for different strains of cannabis?
twentyeight.threefive
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You’re actually incorrect on both parts.
First Sulphur is taken up and used by cannabis plants. Secondly it’s been proven that increased Sulphur in flower increases terpenes. You know the part that makes the plant smell and taste the way it does? Terpene content can be easily measured so yes it can unequivocally be shown to result in a change of taste.
waterproof808
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Did you ever look up what the "19 chemicals" are that plants need? Sulfur is one of them.
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PadawanWarrior
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Having stated that I've read hundreds of pages of posting about people making their own nutes, I would have thought that would have been understood.
I do realize that sulfur is one of the chemicals that plants use.
I mis-typed. Yes, it's take up because it's one of the nutrients that plants use. My thinking, not my typing, my apologies, is that I don't think it's taken up at a higher rate in flower. Second, I've seen nothing that indicates that increasing sulfur above what's in bottled nutes or in most custom mixes results in increased uptake.
twentyeight.threefive
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I believe @DoubleAtotheRON did testing? I could easily be mistaken.
Super. Thank you. I'll check it out.
The search features on cannabis sites are "somewhat lacking", to be kind.
PJ Diaz
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Dude, you're on your third grow ever. Sit back and take some advice FFS.
Here's one recent study on Sulfur and Cannabis for you: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.1c04196
And an article summarizing the findings: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/marijuana-skunk-smell-cannabis-pot-plant-chemistry
Here's one recent study on Sulfur and Cannabis for you: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.1c04196
And an article summarizing the findings: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/marijuana-skunk-smell-cannabis-pot-plant-chemistry
Agreed. I stopped just short of mixing my own nutes so I'm aware that sulfur is one of them. Per another posting, I mis-typed - sulfur is taken up, no question but I don't think that it the rate of uptake changes in flower and I don't believe that there's a need to supplement S beyond what many commercial nutrient packages provide.
That might be heresy to some growers on this thread but it's commonly accepted growers in other threads here in RIU.
twentyeight.threefive
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Oh that explains it now.
rkymtnman
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why don't you do a side by side test for RIU? clones using 321 and 320 and see what happens.
The appeal to authority is meaningless to me. I'm seeking information and trying to exchange ideas. If that was your only reply, I couldn't be bothered to respond.
My experience level has nothing to do with whether or not I should believe what someone posts on a website. I've been using the internet (or its precursor) since 1987 and I've learned a few things along the way.
Thank you for those links. Much appreciated.
What crawled up everyone's ass here?
As I've said elsewhere, one of the characteristics of RIU is that "they throw a lot of elbows" but I think you outdid yourselves here!
3-2-0 is not uncommon and I saw this thread as maybe a way of finding what people think about it. That's all. No offense intended.
As I've said elsewhere, one of the characteristics of RIU is that "they throw a lot of elbows" but I think you outdid yourselves here!
3-2-0 is not uncommon and I saw this thread as maybe a way of finding what people think about it. That's all. No offense intended.
twentyeight.threefive
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Actually your experience level has everything to do with it. You can find tons of posts that say to use CalMag for every grow or to flush your plants before harvest. How are you to determine what's right and wrong without experience? What do you base your level in trust of a post?
rkymtnman
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i would think with well water, 3/2/0 would be fine as well has mg.
with ro water and certain strains, it might not be enough.
kinda hard to generalize as there are way too many variables. try a side by side like i said.
I'm not going to try to get into a deep discussion. That requires face to face and bourbon.
"How are you to determine what's right and wrong without experience?"
Knowledge. Experience and knowledge have only a passing relationship.
Many people with experience have limited understanding of what they're doing and their success may well have nothing to do with what they're doing or they may be successful despite what they're doing or they maybe "successful" but getting only a fraction of the results that they could get if they were to improve their processes. I've been around that block enough to see plenty of things like that.
"What do you base your level in trust of a post?"
Again, a question that would take more time to resolve than I have. In a few words, who posts answer has some impact. The biggest factor, for me, is that it needs to fit within a framework of basic principles. In this case, plant physiology.
And, as I asked one poster here, I'd really appreciate someone who could recommend a good book on that topic.
PadawanWarrior
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twentyeight.threefive
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You fit the mold of the typical new grower, at least on here. You think you know more than you really do based on watching YouTube videos and reading stuff online. You also like to argue with people that actually know how to grow.
You have extremely limited knowledge so that kind of limits your ability to distinguish between right and wrong practices.