2022 elections. The steady march for sanity continues.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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this is funny and disturbing at the same time...they're ALL motherfucking idiots...but the fucking republicans are going to elect some of those gaddamn motherfucing idiots to public office...
and it's still a bad idea to require an intelligence test before allowing goddamn motherfucking idiots to vote?
why don't we start putting those fucking idiots in positions of power? they are making one of the most important decisions in the country, and they're making that decision with no knowledge of what they're doing, what any of the people they're voting for stand for, how they have voted about important issues in the past, they don't know any of the current issues beyond what they hear on facebook and racist conspiracy theorist run pod casts....
but let the ignorant fucks vote...
Robert Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers, which is a very different book than the movie they made...it is a thesis into social responsibility...
i think he had a very good idea that i would support fully if implemented in real life...if you do not serve a term in the military or in the civilian corps, which would be helping where ever you were sent to help, maybe digging wells, maybe helping fight fires, maybe helping with disaster relief...doing whatever is needed...
if you do no service, you get no vote...you MUST display an interest and a commitment to making the country a better place, before you're allowed to have a voice in it's future...
Herb & Suds
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I don’t think voting has ever been more important
Roger A. Shrubber
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The book was less about social responsibility and more about conservative political values. Heinlein’s state had a Roman feature: a privileged citizen minority and the plebeian majority. The difference was testing into the upper class tather than being born into it.
Roger A. Shrubber
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anyone can take a test...and the only priveldge his minority had was the franchise to vote...
ok, i guess i mispoke, it's not really about social responsibility, it's about civic responsibility, ones responsibility to the state, and the responsibility to maintain that state in a healthy manner...
cannabineer
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that’s with what I disagree. It’s about the conundrum expressed by Plato: the philosopher king, complete power yoked to benevolent service to the nation.
Its a utopian vision, and since those are always based on at least a small refutation of reason and reality, it means there is no useful
civic lesson there.
Ayn Rand’s work has a similar associated phenomenon: works of fiction that some try to adopt as a roadmap to actual social improvement, with equal suffering caused by the discrepancy between ideology and event.
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printer
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Can election denialism be a winning issue in November?
A number of Republican candidates who have pushed dubious claims about the last election, or questioned the legitimacy of elections, are winning their respective primaries, raising questions about whether election denialism can be a winning issue in the general election.
Some of the most prominent primary winners include Nevada secretary of state candidate Jim Marchant (R), who claimed he himself had suffered election fraud in 2020 after an unsuccessful bid running for a House seat. He told a candidates forum earlier this year “your vote hasn’t counted for decades.”
Another recent primary winner, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano (R), asked a state Senate committee following the 2020 election to hold a hearing after questioning the integrity of the election, which Rudy Giuliani participated in. Mastriano penned an op-ed a month afterward making dubious claims about the election, citing the hearing testimony, and later referenced that hearing during a candidate debate.
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A number of Republican candidates who have pushed dubious claims about the last election, or questioned the legitimacy of elections, are winning their respective primaries, raising questions about whether election denialism can be a winning issue in the general election.
Some of the most prominent primary winners include Nevada secretary of state candidate Jim Marchant (R), who claimed he himself had suffered election fraud in 2020 after an unsuccessful bid running for a House seat. He told a candidates forum earlier this year “your vote hasn’t counted for decades.”
Another recent primary winner, Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano (R), asked a state Senate committee following the 2020 election to hold a hearing after questioning the integrity of the election, which Rudy Giuliani participated in. Mastriano penned an op-ed a month afterward making dubious claims about the election, citing the hearing testimony, and later referenced that hearing during a candidate debate.
Can election denialism be a winning issue in November?
A number of Republican candidates who have pushed dubious claims about the last election, or questioned the legitimacy of elections, are winning their respective primaries, raising questions about …
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CunningCanuk
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I believe the opposite is the solution. Rather than restrict who can vote make it mandatory for everyone to vote.
The trumps and the Fords aren’t winning elections because idiots vote for them. They are winning because people who know better aren’t voting at all.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i guess that would work too...i just don't think fucking idiots with no clue about what the candidates stand for, what their intentions are, what they plan to do...should be allowed to vote. all rights come with responsibilities, and most people just ignore them. you have a right to vote, you have the responsibility to know why you're voting for who you are voting for...and joe rogan liking them isn't a reason, tucker carlson's endorsement is NOT a reason, any talking heads endorsement shouldn't be all you require to back a candidate. if you don't do your own research, why should your opinion count? we have more than enough uninformed fuckheads in office, we don't need more fuck heads voting for more fuck heads....
DIY-HP-LED
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Pay people to vote, say $200 if you show up or mail in your ballot, cash on the barrelhead. It would encourage the poor and young to vote the most, it is hate that gives you Trump and fascism, not poor folks, just some of them, like the rich. You must reduce tribalism in American politics and one way to do that while curbing radicalism is through open primaries, no more registered voters. People who want to join the GOP or democratic parties should have to pay a $100 membership fee, this will reduce membership in each party to serious people. You need to get people out of their psychological tribes and try and stop as many as you can from conducting civil war on their country, in order to get those they don't like.
People who support the republicans are at civil war with the ethos of America and it's constitution, they have placed a greater cause ahead of their country, religion and own self interests. They will sacrifice to win and do, the first casualty of war is the truth, the second is their freedom which they give up for the greater cause, their tribe. You are no different, only your tribe is your country, warts and all, their tribe is something different and does not include many Americans who they are at war with, at one level or another, for one cause or another, even identifying as rural or urban. Much of this shit would fade away or be relegated to the political wilderness or extremes, but in America you have one of two political parties, the republicans for whom such bullshit have become a central theme and power by any means the only goal. You also have a domestic disinformation and hate media machine that does much to keep this shit alive, stoke it and create new divisions wherever they can.
The objective of the civil warriors is not a new confederacy, it is to make the USA un workable and ungovernable until they can seize power from a frustrated public. They have minority rule now, but even that is slipping away, if they didn't know they are on the losing side of history, why do they need to rig the system, cheat and be so pissed off all the time?
DIY-HP-LED
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2024: Mr. Desantis, will would pardon Donald Trump if elected president? Why won't you name him as your VP pick, even though he is in federal prison?
Would any GOP primary candidate have to promise a pardon for Trump to get the nomination? Would Donald himself get it, or run for it from his prison cell, assuming somebody is left outside of prison to carry his torch?
Donald wants to fight 2020 in 2022 and the republicans have to pivot away from him and his bitching about the election in the face of the J6 hearings and coming criminal indictments. They will need to throw him under the bus as his legal jeopardy grows, many state GOP organizations have had their key and most fanatical people caught up in J6, or the fake electors scheme and could be out of action in November.
Would any GOP primary candidate have to promise a pardon for Trump to get the nomination? Would Donald himself get it, or run for it from his prison cell, assuming somebody is left outside of prison to carry his torch?
Donald wants to fight 2020 in 2022 and the republicans have to pivot away from him and his bitching about the election in the face of the J6 hearings and coming criminal indictments. They will need to throw him under the bus as his legal jeopardy grows, many state GOP organizations have had their key and most fanatical people caught up in J6, or the fake electors scheme and could be out of action in November.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm actually not that eager for them to charge trump, but i would like them to start charging every other government official involved in the whole mess, down to the state level republicans who helped with the fake elector slates.
i'd rather trump stay free just long enough to be a thorn in desantis's side all through the elections, right up to the end where the few percent trump leeches away will be enough to guarantee a republican loss.
and as a bonus, when trump starts bitching about coming in third (or less), NO ONE will give a fuck...
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about the most important election of your life....
DIY-HP-LED
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The 10 Senate seats most likely to flip in 2022
With more than half of this year's competitive Senate matchups set, the overall electoral environment remains consistent: President Joe Biden's poor approval numbers, combined with a pervasive sense that the country is headed in the wrong direction, are weighing down Democrats looking to...
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DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about how the Democratic party can play hard ball....
DIY-HP-LED
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A good sign, states can't be gerrymandered and if the democrats win big in the senate and lose the house, it basically means that gerrymandering has reached the point where house elections are meaningless. When you get 60% of the popular vote and 40% of the seats, something is very wrong.
If you look at the fund raising for senate, it shows you where the big bucks are going, the house candidates depend on small donors. Trump has hoovered up most of the GOP small donor cash and inflation will hammer it too and the RNC has been paying some of his legal fees, so there might not be much money for the republicans this cycle.
Trump will run again in hopes of avoiding legal trouble and he just needs to be spooked to announce, two years early! The democrats would like him to announce and hit the campaign trail before the midterm election, running on the big lie and sucking up even more republican small donor money. He wouldn't really be running for anything except trying to run from jail, but he would sure make a mess of the republican 2022 campaign, especially if he started taking revenge on the establishment GOP.
www.axios.com
If you look at the fund raising for senate, it shows you where the big bucks are going, the house candidates depend on small donors. Trump has hoovered up most of the GOP small donor cash and inflation will hammer it too and the RNC has been paying some of his legal fees, so there might not be much money for the republicans this cycle.
Trump will run again in hopes of avoiding legal trouble and he just needs to be spooked to announce, two years early! The democrats would like him to announce and hit the campaign trail before the midterm election, running on the big lie and sucking up even more republican small donor money. He wouldn't really be running for anything except trying to run from jail, but he would sure make a mess of the republican 2022 campaign, especially if he started taking revenge on the establishment GOP.
Senate GOP fundraising flop
Top Senate Republican candidates turned in poor fundraising numbers in key races from Arizona to New Hampshire.
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