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[Oldguyrealy]

Had some Wedding Cake. Wife keeps telling me everyone likes Wedding Cake.

Son says I'm not impressed by Wedding Cake. HMM! Me neither.

Got White Nightmare going and have some Jack Herer seed have no idea on either.

Don't care got my Son and wife both saying Choch Lock is bad then what is wanted.

 

[GWilliamsCannabis]

I'll say this, the right pheno of wedding cake can be amazing.

There's a mostly purple pheno that's insanely potent and tastes like lemon icing that I absolutely love.

But I've also had a bunch of green phenos that there's nothing special about.

So it really depends on which pheno you smoke, which is basically the same for every strain.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Had some Wedding Cake. Wife keeps telling me everyone likes Wedding Cake.

Son says I'm not impressed by Wedding Cake. HMM! Me neither.

Got White Nightmare going and have some Jack Herer seed have no idea on either.

Don't care got my Son and wife both saying Choch Lock is bad then what is wanted.

Did you grow the real cut or some knockoff?

There is only one real Wedding Cake, any grown from seed are knockoffs.

 

[Hiphophippo]

The choch lock

 

[Oldguyrealy]

Get some Snow-G I'm thinking.

 

[Oldguyrealy]

OK got Glue Snifer seed.

Got the Wedding Cake from ILGM.

 

[Rivendell]

OK got Glue Snifer seed.

Got the Wedding Cake from ILGM.

And that would be why the wedding cake was subpar.

 

[waterproof808]

So it really depends on which pheno you smoke, which is basically the same for every strain.

There is only one pheno called wedding cake, because the strain was never called "Wedding cake" to begin with. Wedding cake was a specific pheno of Triangle Mints. Everything else is knockoff S1's.

 

[GWilliamsCannabis]

There is only one pheno called wedding cake, because the strain was never called "Wedding cake" to begin with. Wedding cake was a specific pheno of Triangle Mints. Everything else is knockoff S1's.

This is what I hate about today's weed though.

Ok, I get it clone only, phenotype of another strain, and nobody on the planet will ever find said phenotype besides the person that makes a shit ton of money on it...and if someone else finds the same, the original finder will point out differences that really don't exist so they can keep making money....right?

So the strain originated in seed form (like every strain - even "clone onlys") but nobody will ever find that pheno.

It just makes no damn sense to me that nobody else can find the same phenotype in the same seed stock.

Like remember Cherry Ak....aka a pheno of ak47 that used to be considered rare.....it wasn't ever deemed impossible for someone to find though.

Idk why these clone onlys nowadays get deemed impossible for anyone else to find.



To be clear I understand what you're saying and there are lots of knock offs....but I really hate how ppl shut the door to the possibility of finding the same or even a better phenotype so quickly.

 

[jcdws602]

This is what I hate about today's weed though.

Ok, I get it clone only, phenotype of another strain, and nobody on the planet will ever find said phenotype besides the person that makes a shit ton of money on it...and if someone else finds the same, the original finder will point out differences that really don't exist so they can keep making money....right?

So the strain originated in seed form (like every strain - even "clone onlys") but nobody will ever find that pheno.

It just makes no damn sense to me that nobody else can find the same phenotype in the same seed stock.

Like remember Cherry Ak....aka a pheno of ak47 that used to be considered rare.....it wasn't ever deemed impossible for someone to find though.

Idk why these clone onlys nowadays get deemed impossible for anyone else to find.



To be clear I understand what you're saying and there are lots of knock offs....but I really hate how ppl shut the door to the possibility of finding the same or even a better phenotype so quickly.

Well that’s easy to explain. The genetic variation that makes a strain is a combination of specific genes. This combination creates a unique expression of particular traits. For example, your siblings may look and resemble each other but do any of them look exactly like the other?

 

[waterproof808]

This is what I hate about today's weed though.

Ok, I get it clone only, phenotype of another strain, and nobody on the planet will ever find said phenotype besides the person that makes a shit ton of money on it...and if someone else finds the same, the original finder will point out differences that really don't exist so they can keep making money....right?

So the strain originated in seed form (like every strain - even "clone onlys") but nobody will ever find that pheno.

It just makes no damn sense to me that nobody else can find the same phenotype in the same seed stock.

Like remember Cherry Ak....aka a pheno of ak47 that used to be considered rare.....it wasn't ever deemed impossible for someone to find though.

Idk why these clone onlys nowadays get deemed impossible for anyone else to find.



To be clear I understand what you're saying and there are lots of knock offs....but I really hate how ppl shut the door to the possibility of finding the same or even a better phenotype so quickly.

Werent you in the Sour Diesel thread talking about how the real Sour Diesel clone-only doesnt exist in seed form? How is that different?

 

[GWilliamsCannabis]

Werent you in the Sour Diesel thread talking about how the real Sour Diesel clone-only doesnt exist in seed form? How is that different?

It did at one time, but that time is long gone....the true sourness was bred put in favor of gasiness....with some versions having no sour to them at all....just gas.

Traits being bred out of a line (mistakenly or purposely) is way different than claiming a strain that came out with only 1 generation of seeds and wasn't worked further (nearly all of today's "elite" strains) has a phenotype that nobody else can find lol its pretty ridiculous even.

This is why I hate the game today, it's literally all marketing and bs.

Let's take wedding cake for instance, I'm not 100% knowledgeable on that strain, but I've smoked it from a few dispensaries and delivery services.....2 phenos I've seen....a green pheno and a purple pheno.. the purple one being superior in every single way.

So you're telling me, that when that strain first dropped in seed packs (Triangle mints) that if we both had the same amount of seeds that we couldn't both find that purple phenotype? That literally 1 person on the planet could find it in the original pack of seeds? There's no fucking way.

Look at strains (like Mr. Nice seedbanks lineup) which notoriously had a shit ton of phenos in every line.... people found the same elite pheno in those packs way too easily for anyone to tell me it's impossible to do in today's strains.


If I hunted 100s of seeds, I would expect to find the pheno I'm looking for. And odds are that I eventually would.

So why do ppl say it's impossible unless you got it from literally 1 person that found that winning pheno first?

It's absolutely possible to have these "elite clone only" strains from lines that remain unworked....and as I said, these lines today don't even get worked often....so most of them can be found from the original f1 packs.

If they can't be found, it's a pure money grab by the original finder, because that means they DID work the line, purposely away from their winning cut so that other ppl couldn't profit off that pheno.

 

[Aheadatime]

It just makes no damn sense to me that nobody else can find the same phenotype in the same seed stock.

It's because growers and smokers use the term 'phenotype' wrong. A phenotype is just a singular genetic aspect of an organism. Take humans for example. Hair can present multiple phenotypic expressions - color, length, density, curvature, angle at which it leaves the head, etc. You don't say a red-head has a "redhead pheno", because the color red is but one "pheno". You can be red curly, red straight, red dense, red thin, red wavy, red long, red short, darker or lighter red, etc. And you can definitely not say that just because you knew a hot red hot in high school, that hotness has anything to do with red head. You didn't know the "red pheno" because you knew a hot redhead. You knew a girl with 1,000 phenotypic expressions that made her beautiful (nose, face, size, bone structure, on and on and on).

Same with cannabis. I see alot of people say things like "I got the purple pheno, it really packs a punch", which makes no sense. You're talking about two phenotypic expressions - potency, and color. Wedding cake isn't a single pheno. It's an individual. Like a single brother out of a family that has 1,000 children, no other child will be exactly like it because of the 1,000,000 phenotypic expressions that make an individual unique. Maybe another sibling has a similar trait, but that doesn't mean it's the same "pheno". You might get another sibling that has a similar color and bud structure to the clone-only wedding cake, but it doesn't have the same terpene or cannabinoid profile. You might get one with a knock-out buzz, but without the bud structure and yield. We really need to move away from grouping dozens of phenotypic expressions of an individual into the term "pheno".

 

[Oldguyrealy]

We can't get Clons here unless you have your own but you can't buy Clons from out of state.

 

[GWilliamsCannabis]

It's because growers and smokers use the term 'phenotype' wrong. A phenotype is just a singular genetic aspect of an organism. Take humans for example. Hair can present multiple phenotypic expressions - color, length, density, curvature, angle at which it leaves the head, etc. You don't say a red-head has a "redhead pheno", because the color red is but one "pheno". You can be red curly, red straight, red dense, red thin, red wavy, red long, red short, darker or lighter red, etc. And you can definitely not say that just because you knew a hot red hot in high school, that hotness has anything to do with red head. You didn't know the "red pheno" because you knew a hot redhead. You knew a girl with 1,000 phenotypic expressions that made her beautiful (nose, face, size, bone structure, on and on and on).

Same with cannabis. I see alot of people say things like "I got the purple pheno, it really packs a punch", which makes no sense. You're talking about two phenotypic expressions - potency, and color. Wedding cake isn't a single pheno. It's an individual. Like a single brother out of a family that has 1,000 children, no other child will be exactly like it because of the 1,000,000 phenotypic expressions that make an individual unique. Maybe another sibling has a similar trait, but that doesn't mean it's the same "pheno". You might get another sibling that has a similar color and bud structure to the clone-only wedding cake, but it doesn't have the same terpene or cannabinoid profile. You might get one with a knock-out buzz, but without the bud structure and yield. We really need to move away from grouping dozens of phenotypic expressions of an individual into the term "pheno".

But when it comes to my cherry AK example there can be 100000s just like the cherry child??

That's why that shit makes no sense.

In afghan haze there can always be one like the grape child??

But not wedding cake?? Sorry I'm just not buying it.

When old breeders would describe the 3-4 most common phenos - they were spot on, that's EXACTLY the phenos that you'd most commonly find.....yes there were others, but they didn't stick out like the common 3-4 that were considered winners.

So you're telling me Triangle Mints had 1 winner, called wedding cake, and only 1 seed to ever come from those genetics produced it and no other seeds can have that same expression?? Am I the only one that thinks that's completely outrageous and bs due to the literal 10000s of strains that you can EVENTUALLY find the same expressions as the winner in various seeds??

So literally ANY good pheno can't be replicated, so as growers whenever ANY of us find a good pheno we are the only ones with that pheno?? Absolutely not. There's thousands of ppl who had the same bubblegum s1 pheno I had....1000s that have had the same jilly Bean pheno I had.....maybe certain phenos don't pop up as often- that I will take as truth - but to say it CANT happen more than the 1 time it already has is nonsense to me.

 

[waterproof808]

There's thousands of ppl who had the same bubblegum s1 pheno I had....1000s that have had the same jilly Bean pheno I had....

Unless you gave clones to 1000 people, they do not have the same pheno you had....they had something very similar but there are always differences. Just like identical human twins have slight differences. Every seed popped is a unique individual.

 

[PJ Diaz]

But when it comes to my cherry AK example there can be 100000s just like the cherry child??

That's why that shit makes no sense.

In afghan haze there can always be one like the grape child??

But not wedding cake?? Sorry I'm just not buying it.

When old breeders would describe the 3-4 most common phenos - they were spot on, that's EXACTLY the phenos that you'd most commonly find.....yes there were others, but they didn't stick out like the common 3-4 that were considered winners.

So you're telling me Triangle Mints had 1 winner, called wedding cake, and only 1 seed to ever come from those genetics produced it and no other seeds can have that same expression?? Am I the only one that thinks that's completely outrageous and bs due to the literal 10000s of strains that you can EVENTUALLY find the same expressions as the winner in various seeds??

So literally ANY good pheno can't be replicated, so as growers whenever ANY of us find a good pheno we are the only ones with that pheno?? Absolutely not. There's thousands of ppl who had the same bubblegum s1 pheno I had....1000s that have had the same jilly Bean pheno I had.....maybe certain phenos don't pop up as often- that I will take as truth - but to say it CANT happen more than the 1 time it already has is nonsense to me.

The OP isn't growing Triangle Mints, they are growing a knock-off wannabe version by a completely different seed company, who is trying to cash in on hype. May not even be the same genetic lineage. Yes, there is only one Wedding Cake, and it's the cut found by Jbeezy from a Triangle Mints run. If you do a seed run of Triangle Mints you may find something similar, but it won't be the same individual, and it won't be Wedding Cake.

 

[PJ Diaz]

It's because growers and smokers use the term 'phenotype' wrong. A phenotype is just a singular genetic aspect of an organism. Take humans for example. Hair can present multiple phenotypic expressions - color, length, density, curvature, angle at which it leaves the head, etc. You don't say a red-head has a "redhead pheno", because the color red is but one "pheno". You can be red curly, red straight, red dense, red thin, red wavy, red long, red short, darker or lighter red, etc. And you can definitely not say that just because you knew a hot red hot in high school, that hotness has anything to do with red head. You didn't know the "red pheno" because you knew a hot redhead. You knew a girl with 1,000 phenotypic expressions that made her beautiful (nose, face, size, bone structure, on and on and on).

Same with cannabis. I see alot of people say things like "I got the purple pheno, it really packs a punch", which makes no sense. You're talking about two phenotypic expressions - potency, and color. Wedding cake isn't a single pheno. It's an individual. Like a single brother out of a family that has 1,000 children, no other child will be exactly like it because of the 1,000,000 phenotypic expressions that make an individual unique. Maybe another sibling has a similar trait, but that doesn't mean it's the same "pheno". You might get another sibling that has a similar color and bud structure to the clone-only wedding cake, but it doesn't have the same terpene or cannabinoid profile. You might get one with a knock-out buzz, but without the bud structure and yield. We really need to move away from grouping dozens of phenotypic expressions of an individual into the term "pheno".

Technically a phenotype is "the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment".

 

[Oldguyrealy]

I went to another source of seed that are more up to date and some I have never heard of.

Grow and see.