Examples of GOP Leadership

Fogdog

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But there is a process to follow. When a document is declassified it goes for all the copies out there. It is not a case of there is only a "Trump" copy.

Uh, no. The crux is that Trump was told to return them and did not. Fifteen boxes went back before when he said that was everything. Trump's lawyers even said everything went back. But Trump withheld some. He broke the law knowingly.

A declassified document is free for anyone to see, you and me. I had my secret classification when I did some military work. I was able to see stuff I can not see now.
If I'm getting Trumps story right, he returned all the documents, he was cooperating and all the DOJ needed to do was just ask for documents that he didn't have and he would have cooperated, then the DOJ arrived with a search warrant they didn't need then planted 20 boxes of evidence that he then declassified. And now he's willing to do anything they ask to turn down the heat but won't admit he did anything wrong.

makes sense.
 

hanimmal

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I've already shown you at least one example, here it is again. That you need a record would undermine the authority. There is no reference in the Supreme Court, it's new territory in legal vs lawful. Most likely this means it's unquestionable on how broad the authority is since the Constitution was written as a restraint and there are none.

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Nothing will appease your kill or be killed mentality, but it obviously infringes on live and let live, and it's not a partisan issue.
Oh look one thing that Trump declassified at the last minute to try to trick his cult into thinking it is some kind of policital gain must mean that there everything that Trump smuggled out of the government were legit. And that the months that the DoJ was telling a private citizen in possession of these documents at a golf resort to give them back, who then didn't (even though his lawyer said that they turned everything over), is totally nullified by a ss of that.

lol riiight.

And that ignores other laws that looks like Trump broke because of his Dear Leader approach to he prior life as president.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/does-it-matter-what-if-anything-trump-declassified
Another complication for Trump is the fact that the presidentially driven classification system is not the only legal mechanism that guards sensitive government information. Congress has set up separate systems to protect certain types of sensitive information that are independent of the classification system and do not hinge on the president’s determinations in the same way. The Atomic Energy Act, for example, establishes procedures for classifying and declassifying “restricted data” relating to nuclear technology that do not involve the president and imposes criminal penalties on individuals who disclose it. Similarly, Congress has made it a crime to disclose the identities of covert agents, regardless of classification. If either type of information was included in the records at Mar-a-Lago—and recent reports suggest they may be—then Trump and his associates may well have violated these provisions in ways that Trump’s purported declassification cannot possibly remedy.
 

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Hannity slams McConnell for comments on ‘candidate quality’ in Senate races

Fox News host Sean Hannity went after Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) during his show Friday for comments the Senate minority leader made about the chances Republicans have to take control of the Senate in November.

McConnell said Thursday that he believes Republicans have a better chance of flipping the House than the Senate during the 2022 midterms, adding that “candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome” in Senate races.

Hannity slammed the remarks, saying that the seasoned GOP leader was leaving party members “out to dry.”
“Democrats are painting Republican Senate candidates in upcoming elections and midterms as cruel and out of touch,” Hannity said. “Well, apparently Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is content to leave them out to dry and fend for themselves. Listen to these comments, they’re very encouraging,” Hannity said facetiously before playing a clip of McConnell explaining his predictions.

“You don’t hear [Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)] complaining about candidate quality in Pennsylvania,” Hannity continued, referring to progressive candidate John Fetterman. “How about you get out there, Mitch, and fight for your team? What’s your agenda, Mitch, or would you rather just sit by and watch helplessly as Democrats lie to your face, pass another $500 billion green energy boondoggle?”

The Fox anchor suggested that McConnell may be pulling against Trump-backed candidates for personal reasons, as the former president has lashed out at McConnell since his 2020 loss and the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

“His team as a leader needs to come to an end,” Hannity concluded.
The host’s comments come as recent polling shows Trump-backed GOP candidates Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Blake Masters (R), Mehmet Oz (R) and Herschel Walker (R) either trailing or locked in tight races in key midterm elections in Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Georgia, respectively.
 

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Fla. state House candidate banned from Twitter for suggesting violence against federal officials
A candidate for running for a seat in Florida’s state House was banned on Twitter on Thursday after he advocated violence against the FBI and other federal agencies.

“Under my plan, all Floridians will have permission to shoot FBI, IRS, ATF and all other feds ON SIGHT!” tweeted Luis Miguel (R), who is running in the 20th district of the Florida House, according to Florida Politics. “Let freedom ring!”

Miguel told Florida Politics that he stands by the “plan” he proposed earlier in the week because the IRS has been “weaponized by dissident forces,” saying that his permanent suspension from Twitter “doesn’t affect (him) at all.”

The Hill has reached out to Miguel for comment on the suspension.

A spokesperson for Twitter told The Hill that the account @LuisMiguelUS is “permanently suspended for violating our hateful conduct policy.”

“You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, caste, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease,” reads Twitter’s policy on hateful conduct.

The news comes after members of the GOP have slammed the FBI following the bureau’s search of former President Trump’s home in Palm Beach, Fla. The former president’s Mar-a-Lago estate was searched for classified documents that the Department of Justice suspected were taken following Trump’s loss in 2020.

In addition, Republicans have railed against the IRS after President Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) into law. The spending bill would provide $80 billion in funding to the agency over the next 10 years to help enforce provisions in the IRA. However, members of the GOP have claimed that the funding would be used to hire tens of thousands of agents and audits would increase for non-wealthy Americans.

Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) went to far as to warn Americans not to apply for positions at the IRS since a Republican majority would immediately seek to reverse the funding increase.

Miguel’s Facebook and Instagram pages, where Florida Politics reports he also posted the controversial tweet, are also inaccessible.

The Hill has reached out to both social media companies for comment.

Miguel is running against incumbent Rep. Bobby Payne (R) on Tuesday, according to The St. Augustine Record, in a northern district of the Florida House. Payne currently represents district 19 but is running to represent district 20 after redistricting in the state.

One of them will head to the general election on Nov. 8 to face a Democratic opponent.
 

cannabineer

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Hannity slams McConnell for comments on ‘candidate quality’ in Senate races

Fox News host Sean Hannity went after Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) during his show Friday for comments the Senate minority leader made about the chances Republicans have to take control of the Senate in November.

McConnell said Thursday that he believes Republicans have a better chance of flipping the House than the Senate during the 2022 midterms, adding that “candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome” in Senate races.

Hannity slammed the remarks, saying that the seasoned GOP leader was leaving party members “out to dry.”
“Democrats are painting Republican Senate candidates in upcoming elections and midterms as cruel and out of touch,” Hannity said. “Well, apparently Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is content to leave them out to dry and fend for themselves. Listen to these comments, they’re very encouraging,” Hannity said facetiously before playing a clip of McConnell explaining his predictions.

“You don’t hear [Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)] complaining about candidate quality in Pennsylvania,” Hannity continued, referring to progressive candidate John Fetterman. “How about you get out there, Mitch, and fight for your team? What’s your agenda, Mitch, or would you rather just sit by and watch helplessly as Democrats lie to your face, pass another $500 billion green energy boondoggle?”

The Fox anchor suggested that McConnell may be pulling against Trump-backed candidates for personal reasons, as the former president has lashed out at McConnell since his 2020 loss and the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

“His team as a leader needs to come to an end,” Hannity concluded.
The host’s comments come as recent polling shows Trump-backed GOP candidates Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Blake Masters (R), Mehmet Oz (R) and Herschel Walker (R) either trailing or locked in tight races in key midterm elections in Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Georgia, respectively.
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DIY-HP-LED

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Hannity slams McConnell for comments on ‘candidate quality’ in Senate races

Fox News host Sean Hannity went after Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) during his show Friday for comments the Senate minority leader made about the chances Republicans have to take control of the Senate in November.

McConnell said Thursday that he believes Republicans have a better chance of flipping the House than the Senate during the 2022 midterms, adding that “candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome” in Senate races.

Hannity slammed the remarks, saying that the seasoned GOP leader was leaving party members “out to dry.”
“Democrats are painting Republican Senate candidates in upcoming elections and midterms as cruel and out of touch,” Hannity said. “Well, apparently Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is content to leave them out to dry and fend for themselves. Listen to these comments, they’re very encouraging,” Hannity said facetiously before playing a clip of McConnell explaining his predictions.

“You don’t hear [Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)] complaining about candidate quality in Pennsylvania,” Hannity continued, referring to progressive candidate John Fetterman. “How about you get out there, Mitch, and fight for your team? What’s your agenda, Mitch, or would you rather just sit by and watch helplessly as Democrats lie to your face, pass another $500 billion green energy boondoggle?”

The Fox anchor suggested that McConnell may be pulling against Trump-backed candidates for personal reasons, as the former president has lashed out at McConnell since his 2020 loss and the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

“His team as a leader needs to come to an end,” Hannity concluded.
The host’s comments come as recent polling shows Trump-backed GOP candidates Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Blake Masters (R), Mehmet Oz (R) and Herschel Walker (R) either trailing or locked in tight races in key midterm elections in Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Georgia, respectively.
Great, a civil war inside the GOP is just what the democrats need and Trump going down screaming in the middle of an election campaign should do it. Even foxnews is divided between the news section and the opinion section giving different narratives, cause the news people have to follow the facts somewhat. The base pretty much ignores the news part of foxnews, or so many of them say and tune in for the evening opinion brainwashers where facts don't matter much. Fox is trying to have it's cake and eat it too, position DeSantis and pander to Trump's base at the same time. As soon as Donald is indicted or after his trial the attitude will shift, depending on how much Donald is muzzled. However both the republicans and foxnews changing horses in midstream will be a problem. Donald could blow up legally at any time now with the top secret documents hanging over his head and might be indicted in Georgia along with a few others.

They are living in fear of Donald's base and can't afford to lose any support in the coming midterms. The senate can't be gerrymandered and a simple majority can win it, the house needs a 5 or 10 point advantage for the democrats to win there. However there is a little less than 90 days to the election, Donald troubles are deepening, the republicans are dropping in the polls and women are mobilizing over abortion, how effectively remains to be seen. Meanwhile Joe's approval rating is rising, the democrats got something through, the economy is doing well, unemployment is at historic lows, inflation is coming down and Joe is winning on the foreign affairs front. Still, many white Americans want something else, facts don't matter and neither does success or failure, or winning and losing for that matter.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Hannity slams McConnell for comments on ‘candidate quality’ in Senate races

Fox News host Sean Hannity went after Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) during his show Friday for comments the Senate minority leader made about the chances Republicans have to take control of the Senate in November.

McConnell said Thursday that he believes Republicans have a better chance of flipping the House than the Senate during the 2022 midterms, adding that “candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome” in Senate races.

Hannity slammed the remarks, saying that the seasoned GOP leader was leaving party members “out to dry.”
“Democrats are painting Republican Senate candidates in upcoming elections and midterms as cruel and out of touch,” Hannity said. “Well, apparently Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is content to leave them out to dry and fend for themselves. Listen to these comments, they’re very encouraging,” Hannity said facetiously before playing a clip of McConnell explaining his predictions.

“You don’t hear [Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)] complaining about candidate quality in Pennsylvania,” Hannity continued, referring to progressive candidate John Fetterman. “How about you get out there, Mitch, and fight for your team? What’s your agenda, Mitch, or would you rather just sit by and watch helplessly as Democrats lie to your face, pass another $500 billion green energy boondoggle?”

The Fox anchor suggested that McConnell may be pulling against Trump-backed candidates for personal reasons, as the former president has lashed out at McConnell since his 2020 loss and the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

“His team as a leader needs to come to an end,” Hannity concluded.
The host’s comments come as recent polling shows Trump-backed GOP candidates Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Blake Masters (R), Mehmet Oz (R) and Herschel Walker (R) either trailing or locked in tight races in key midterm elections in Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Georgia, respectively.
it's always entertaining watching your enemies kill and eat each other... :D
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED

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it's always entertaining watching your enemies kill and eat each other... :D
Scorpions fighting in a bottle.

Foxnews is as split as the GOP and like Mitch, they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. If you get rid of Donald too soon, it will give Mitch enough time to put lipstick on the pig before the election. You want Mitch wresting with the pig in the mud going into election day! :lol:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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people who can come up with this kind of "logic" are frightening...what else can they justify to themselves? that it's ok for women to be raped, it's just another way to make new republican religious zealots?...
people like this should never be allowed to have any kind of power over anyone else's life
https://www.newsweek.com/tudor-dixon-abortion-michigan-supreme-court-1735380?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spot_im_redirect_source=pitc
It will kill them in the general, especially if women are mobilized by the democrats over abortion.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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But there is a process to follow. When a document is declassified it goes for all the copies out there. It is not a case of there is only a "Trump" copy.

Uh, no. The crux is that Trump was told to return them and did not. Fifteen boxes went back before when he said that was everything. Trump's lawyers even said everything went back. But Trump withheld some. He broke the law knowingly.

A declassified document is free for anyone to see, you and me. I had my secret classification when I did some military work. I was able to see stuff I can not see now.
There is no process for the one whos authority is above process. The processes are a courteous formality and not binding. The only real case we have is Navy v Egan which affirms that the president has ultimate authority to control access to national security information given Article II language as commander in chief. After all, President is the one who gives security clearance.

The crux is that he was told to return and did not? How are we to know? I admit I can only speculate given data I have, can you not honestly say the same?

If some of what was taken, along with passports and documents protected by attorney client privileges were in fact declassified by written Presidential Memorandum then seizure was unlawful. That they were not published is unlawful.

It lends very heavily towards unlawful search and seizure actually which should concern us all regardless of which team we prefer.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Oh look one thing that Trump declassified at the last minute to try to trick his cult into thinking it is some kind of policital gain must mean that there everything that Trump smuggled out of the government were legit. And that the months that the DoJ was telling a private citizen in possession of these documents at a golf resort to give them back, who then didn't (even though his lawyer said that they turned everything over), is totally nullified by a ss of that.

lol riiight.

And that ignores other laws that looks like Trump broke because of his Dear Leader approach to he prior life as president.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/does-it-matter-what-if-anything-trump-declassified
Crimson Rhino is a helluva drug.
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printer

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There is no process for the one whos authority is above process. The processes are a courteous formality and not binding. The only real case we have is Navy v Egan which affirms that the president has ultimate authority to control access to national security information given Article II language as commander in chief. After all, President is the one who gives security clearance.

The crux is that he was told to return and did not? How are we to know? I admit I can only speculate given data I have, can you not honestly say the same?

If some of what was taken, along with passports and documents protected by attorney client privileges were in fact declassified by written Presidential Memorandum then seizure was unlawful. That they were not published is unlawful.

It lends very heavily towards unlawful search and seizure actually which should concern us all regardless of which team we prefer.
His lawyers said he had returned everything. If the stuff in the boxes along with the classified material was not government material it will be returned. The FBI do not go through every page at Trump's property, they will do that at their air conditioned office.

Trump lawyer in June said classified material had been returned, New York Times reports
A lawyer for former U.S. President Donald Trump signed a statement in June that said all classified material held in boxes at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence had been returned to the government, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

The statement was signed after Jay Bratt, a top national security official in the U.S. Department of Justice, visited Trump's South Florida beach club on June 3, the New York Times reported. Bratt met with two Trump lawyers to discuss the handling of classified information during the visit, the newspaper said.

FBI agents searched Mar-a-Lago this week and removed 11 sets of classified documents including some marked as top secret, according to the Justice Department.

The existence of the Trump attorney statement suggests that Trump and his team may not have fully disclosed information about classified documents in the former president's residence, the Times reported.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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A record of stuff declassified? Why would anyone bother with something like that?

You still have not commented on my earlier comment about why are Trump's people not being investigated by the GOP for failing to declassify the documents.
Because the declassification order was for the AG to implement the readactions and for the intelligence agency to publish the material against FBI objections.
 
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