Is Biden really that bad?

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Fogdog

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Obama doubled the national debt, nothing to brag about so slow down there champ.
Deficits add to the debt. Obama decreased the deficit five times during his eight years in office. Biden has cut the deficit twice already and looks to cut it even more. Trump only ever increased the deficit.

The only president in the modern era to have a surplus that cut the national debt was Bill Clinton.

The concept of fiscally responsible Republicans is more like the tooth fairy than reality. You guys suck at this.
 

cannabineer

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Deficits add to the debt. Obama decreased the deficit five times during his eight years in office. Biden has cut the deficit twice already and looks to cut it even more. Trump only ever increased the deficit.

The only president in the modern era to have a surplus that cut the national debt was Bill Clinton.

The concept of fiscally responsible Republicans is more like the tooth fairy than reality. You guys suck at this.
Obama most likely would have as well, had he not been handed the Bushruptcy.
 

Fogdog

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Obama most likely would have as well, had he not been handed the Bushruptcy.
Shrub and Donald both had the best economies for cutting deficits yet they only ever increased them. Obama and Biden were dealing with the wreckage their predecessors left behind and STILL managed to reduce deficits. Democrats are better administrators. Plain and simple.

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Offmymeds

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I was only making a point, and it is quite valid. Democrats will back up whatever garbage narrative they are told to. One day its Orange man bad, next day its canceling a song they dont like. Whatever woke nonsense they dream up, is quickly inserted into the agenda. Why is everybody blinded by Joes open border policy? They were told to. Nobody says shit about kids on the border now. Just stop wall construction and invite them all over. 2 million this year, new record. New record for overdoses too, but democrats reman in denial.
I didn't make my post in reply to anything you posted in particular. I'm tired of hours on hold trying to resolve auto-generated IRS notices. I didn't charge for those that much in the past. Now I must.

What open border policy? He just negotiated with Mexico to have them contribute $1.5B for new technology for tracking, apprehending, and preventing illegal immigration. I'm fine with that. Technology continues to improve and will resolve the problem more efficiently IMO. We should be using immigrants for jobs in demand anyway. Jobs that are causing inflation and disruption of the supply chain, such as truck drivers, produce pickers, etc. I'm not worried. They still pay taxes. Just a pragmatic problem to me.

New record for reckless stupidity and damage to our national security too but we can see now that the DOJ is working on it. Record for worst pandemic response, etc....
 

Fogdog

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I was only making a point, and it is quite valid. Democrats will back up whatever garbage narrative they are told to. One day its Orange man bad, next day its canceling a song they dont like. Whatever woke nonsense they dream up, is quickly inserted into the agenda. Why is everybody blinded by Joes open border policy? They were told to. Nobody says shit about kids on the border now. Just stop wall construction and invite them all over. 2 million this year, new record. New record for overdoses too, but democrats reman in denial.
Oh horse shit, man.

The IRS was gutted right after Republicans took over in 2010. The cut and cut and cut the IRS budget to the point where the can't even answer phone calls for help with taxes. Their computer systems still run on COBAL. They can no longer pursue large corporations or wealthy tax cheats because they have neither the man power or lawyers to do so. Their ability to conduct audits has been cut to a fraction of what's needed to ensure compliance with tax laws.

We all know why Republicans did this. They are as corrupt as five day old road kill. It's all about paying less in taxes and the less the IRS is able to do, the easier it is to get away with dodgy schemes.

I know you won't listen to this but maybe others will, it's quite an eye opener assuming one doesn't close their eyes tightly shut. Your level of cynicism is sickening.

How the ultrawealthy devise ways to not pay their share of taxes


DAVIES: A lot of Republicans have attacked this additional IRS funding, saying that they're really going after ordinary Americans and that it's going to be an intrusive attack. And I have to share quotes that were in The Washington Post from House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy. This is the Republican leader in the U.S. House of Representatives. He said, quote, "do you know what the IRS has? Four thousand six hundred guns, 5 million rounds of ammunition. Why? Democrats want to double its already massive size." He further adds, "with this new power, the IRS will snoop around in your bank account, your Venmo, your small business. They, the government, will shake you down for every last cent." And then he adds that in light of the FBI's search on, you know, President Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago, "do you really trust this administration's IRS to be fair, not to abuse their power?" This has really gotten some traction, particularly in conservative media. What do you make of all that?

EISINGER: Well, I mean, let's be frank. It's ridiculous. These claims are based on lies. They're lying that these IRS agents are going to be armed. A bare, small percentage of them will be for only the most egregious situations of tax evasion for drug dealers, you know, cartel owners, organized crime. And they're going to have more agents, but they're losing agents at a huge clip and you - losing employees at a huge clip, so they can't answer phones for people. So most of these new employees are going to be answering phones for average people and helping them get their questions answered so that they can pay taxes.

This is a campaign against the IRS to protect corporations and the wealthy because corporations and the wealthy have had it so good for the last few years and decades and been able to avoid taxes and their tax burden - the largest corporations and the wealthy, especially the ultrawealthy - has collapsed. They're not paying their fair share. And the Republicans are protecting those people by attacking the IRS. And it would be comical - these lies are so easily debunked - except that when they talk about the IRS wielding weapons and Chuck Grassley talked about agents having AK-15s - I think he meant AR-15s, which is ludicrous - what that's doing is putting civil servants, hardworking IRS people, at risk. And in fact, the commissioner of the IRS, just in the recent days, had to put a safety alert out and a safety assessment out for employees because of all the threats that IRS employees are experiencing.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Oh horse shit, man.

The IRS was gutted right after Republicans took over in 2010. The cut and cut and cut the IRS budget to the point where the can't even answer phone calls for help with taxes. Their computer systems still run on COBAL. They can no longer pursue large corporations or wealthy tax cheats because they have neither the man power or lawyers to do so. Their ability to conduct audits has been cut to a fraction of what's needed to ensure compliance with tax laws.

We all know why Republicans did this. They are as corrupt as five day old road kill. It's all about paying less in taxes and the less the IRS is able to do, the easier it is to get away with dodgy schemes.

I know you won't listen to this but maybe others will, it's quite an eye opener assuming one doesn't close their eyes tightly shut. Your level of cynicism is sickening.

How the ultrawealthy devise ways to not pay their share of taxes


DAVIES: A lot of Republicans have attacked this additional IRS funding, saying that they're really going after ordinary Americans and that it's going to be an intrusive attack. And I have to share quotes that were in The Washington Post from House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy. This is the Republican leader in the U.S. House of Representatives. He said, quote, "do you know what the IRS has? Four thousand six hundred guns, 5 million rounds of ammunition. Why? Democrats want to double its already massive size." He further adds, "with this new power, the IRS will snoop around in your bank account, your Venmo, your small business. They, the government, will shake you down for every last cent." And then he adds that in light of the FBI's search on, you know, President Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago, "do you really trust this administration's IRS to be fair, not to abuse their power?" This has really gotten some traction, particularly in conservative media. What do you make of all that?

EISINGER: Well, I mean, let's be frank. It's ridiculous. These claims are based on lies. They're lying that these IRS agents are going to be armed. A bare, small percentage of them will be for only the most egregious situations of tax evasion for drug dealers, you know, cartel owners, organized crime. And they're going to have more agents, but they're losing agents at a huge clip and you - losing employees at a huge clip, so they can't answer phones for people. So most of these new employees are going to be answering phones for average people and helping them get their questions answered so that they can pay taxes.

This is a campaign against the IRS to protect corporations and the wealthy because corporations and the wealthy have had it so good for the last few years and decades and been able to avoid taxes and their tax burden - the largest corporations and the wealthy, especially the ultrawealthy - has collapsed. They're not paying their fair share. And the Republicans are protecting those people by attacking the IRS. And it would be comical - these lies are so easily debunked - except that when they talk about the IRS wielding weapons and Chuck Grassley talked about agents having AK-15s - I think he meant AR-15s, which is ludicrous - what that's doing is putting civil servants, hardworking IRS people, at risk. And in fact, the commissioner of the IRS, just in the recent days, had to put a safety alert out and a safety assessment out for employees because of all the threats that IRS employees are experiencing.
It's warranted concern, the IRS literally had to pay damages for targeting audits bases on political affiliation.
 

Weedvin

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lulz Does lying like Donnie make you feel powerful?

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Oh horse shit, man.

The IRS was gutted right after Republicans took over in 2010. The cut and cut and cut the IRS budget to the point where the can't even answer phone calls for help with taxes. Their computer systems still run on COBAL. They can no longer pursue large corporations or wealthy tax cheats because they have neither the man power or lawyers to do so. Their ability to conduct audits has been cut to a fraction of what's needed to ensure compliance with tax laws.

We all know why Republicans did this. They are as corrupt as five day old road kill. It's all about paying less in taxes and the less the IRS is able to do, the easier it is to get away with dodgy schemes.

I know you won't listen to this but maybe others will, it's quite an eye opener assuming one doesn't close their eyes tightly shut. Your level of cynicism is sickening.

How the ultrawealthy devise ways to not pay their share of taxes


DAVIES: A lot of Republicans have attacked this additional IRS funding, saying that they're really going after ordinary Americans and that it's going to be an intrusive attack. And I have to share quotes that were in The Washington Post from House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy. This is the Republican leader in the U.S. House of Representatives. He said, quote, "do you know what the IRS has? Four thousand six hundred guns, 5 million rounds of ammunition. Why? Democrats want to double its already massive size." He further adds, "with this new power, the IRS will snoop around in your bank account, your Venmo, your small business. They, the government, will shake you down for every last cent." And then he adds that in light of the FBI's search on, you know, President Trump's home in Mar-a-Lago, "do you really trust this administration's IRS to be fair, not to abuse their power?" This has really gotten some traction, particularly in conservative media. What do you make of all that?

EISINGER: Well, I mean, let's be frank. It's ridiculous. These claims are based on lies. They're lying that these IRS agents are going to be armed. A bare, small percentage of them will be for only the most egregious situations of tax evasion for drug dealers, you know, cartel owners, organized crime. And they're going to have more agents, but they're losing agents at a huge clip and you - losing employees at a huge clip, so they can't answer phones for people. So most of these new employees are going to be answering phones for average people and helping them get their questions answered so that they can pay taxes.

This is a campaign against the IRS to protect corporations and the wealthy because corporations and the wealthy have had it so good for the last few years and decades and been able to avoid taxes and their tax burden - the largest corporations and the wealthy, especially the ultrawealthy - has collapsed. They're not paying their fair share. And the Republicans are protecting those people by attacking the IRS. And it would be comical - these lies are so easily debunked - except that when they talk about the IRS wielding weapons and Chuck Grassley talked about agents having AK-15s - I think he meant AR-15s, which is ludicrous - what that's doing is putting civil servants, hardworking IRS people, at risk. And in fact, the commissioner of the IRS, just in the recent days, had to put a safety alert out and a safety assessment out for employees because of all the threats that IRS employees are experiencing.
Holly cow man, you should have a podcast
 
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