Congress must declare war when soldiers get a license to murder people in foreign lands, why do the brave soldiers obey when no war declared ?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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DCcan said:
Covered under precedent set by First Barbary War acts of Congress, read your history.
200+ year old story, talk about beating a dead horse.

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So, because some pirates fucked with commerce a few hundred years ago, it's okay for the USA to attack, occupy and bomb the shit out of foreign countries without a declaration of war?

Did VietNam attack the United States ? Did Iraq? Did Hawaii? (remember they got "annexed" )
 
HGCC

HGCC

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It's gonna be a weird day.

You don't become a hero by virtue of joining some group, you have to commit heroic acts. Constitution doesn't have much to do with it.

It's a bad idea in terms of competing or whatever you want to call what we do in relation to other nations, geopolitics, but I do think we should close all foreign military bases and get out of those countries. We can hand them over to NATO and offer up employment opportunities for all the public and private soldiers that get displaced.

Normally my view is a blend of real world and philosophical opinions, I can't think of any justification to send or leave our military in another country. It wouldn't be acceptable to me, I don't see why we think it's OK. A country's military should never be in another country as a rule, there needs to be a strong justification for violating that.

*being a hero by simply joining the army always cracked me up, it was always the shittiest people that claimed that.
 
DCcan

DCcan

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Rob Roy said:
So, because some pirates fucked with commerce a few hundred years ago, it's okay for the USA to attack, occupy and bomb the shit out of foreign countries without a declaration of war?
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Right, that's the precedent we use. Congress authorizes the President to protect the foreign interests, commerce, or citizens of the US.
Doesn't require a declaration of war, which is probably a good thing.
Rob Roy said:
Did VietNam attack the United States ? Did Iraq? Did Hawaii? (remember they got "annexed" )
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Different subject and immaterial to congressional authorization for action to be taken by the President.
Still a dead horse, can't beat it any more.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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It doesn't matter if a war is declared or not. Many actions are classified as military intervention. Grenada, Panama, are two examples where war was not declared and the US invaded a country.

When a person volunteers to join the military they make that choice and will be given orders to follow. Failure to follow those orders can lead to a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of pay and two years in jail. This information is know prior to an individual volunteering for the military. If an individual is unable to follow orders given them then they should not join the military.
 
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Nope_49595933949

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xtsho said:
It doesn't matter if a war is declared or not. Many actions are classified as military intervention. Grenada, Panama, are two examples where war was not declared and the US invaded a country.

When a person volunteers to join the military they make that choice and will be given orders to follow. Failure to follow those orders can lead to a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of pay and two years in jail. This information is know prior to an individual volunteering for the military. If an individual is unable to follow orders given them then they should not join the military.
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Well, as long as they are "lawful" orders.
 
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