Help me understand Organic vs. Chemical grows.

Friendly_Grower

Friendly_Grower

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Jjgrow420 said:
Doesn't matter what manure you use. The Inputs are important. What's that guinea rat eating? Store bought pebbles? Hmm. I'm sure that's got all kinds of safe for human consumption stuff in there.....not.
At least you'll have a nice shiny coat
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Well, they get Timothy Hay based pellets that contain minerals and the essential vitamin C which they need.
They do generate and store a nutrient pellet that looks like their poo but is white in their butt and they eat that however they need roughage that the Timothy hay provides.

I provide actual timothy hay, green grass but they get a Salad every day of what there is.
That can be Cabbage, Celery, Cauliflower, Broccoli, cucumber, Mellon of some type and their absolute favorite carrot.

I care about them and I figure high quality in high quality out.

Their poo and pee provides the microbes and nitrogen to get a compost going just fine.
Would you like to see pictures?
 
Blue brother

Blue brother

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Friendly_Grower said:
Well, they get Timothy Hay based pellets that contain minerals and the essential vitamin C which they need.
They do generate and store a nutrient pellet that looks like their poo but is white in their butt and the eat that however they need roughage that the Timothy hay provides.

I provide actual timothy hay, green grass but they get a Salad every day of what there is.
That can be Cabbage, Celery, Cauliflower, Broccoli, cucumber, Mellon of some type and their absolute favorite carrot.

I care about them and I figure high quality in high quality out.

Their poo and pee provides the microbes and nitrogen to get a compost going just fine.
Would you like to see pictures?
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I would, this sounds brilliant
 
Friendly_Grower

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Funkentelechy said:
A plant's natural inputs don't include synthetic chemical salts.
In theory two plants could be fed the exact same levels of the same nutrients one from organic chemicals and the other from synthetics and be chemically the same. But in the real world, they would never be the exact same, because there are always more factors involved in terms of how and how quickly a plant processes a given form of nutrient and what other things are present with those nutrients. Nutrients are nutrients, yes, but that is a huge(!) oversimplification of the process of how it goes from nutrients to building plant cells.
Again I'm not saying one is better than the other just that a properly grown plant with all of its nutritional needs met will taste different depending on the inputs. If you disagree, good news then, you can all save some money and switch all your nutrients to generic Miraclegrow from the Dollar store, since it doesn't matter right? The plant doesn't care.
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There is a difference between organic molecules and synthetic.

If I follow your logic then why are we growing a plant when we can get pills?
 
Friendly_Grower

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Blue brother said:
I would, this sounds brilliant
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Well I am fine with roasting a cola with some leaf and bud together in the toaster oven and grinding it through a strainer then rolling and smoking.

The flavor is excellent.
Just eating a leaf is tasty.

I don't think chemical growers have the same experience.

I say again tasty.
 
Hollatchaboy

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Friendly_Grower said:
All I knew in California was feed lot beef. Illinois is more grass fed.
I had a burger at a restaurant and like a dweeb I was like saying wow this is gamey but good. I guess this is grass fed beef?
Yeah I looked stupid.
The Beef here is good and not all that expensive but not as marbled as I am used to.
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Gamey isn't the right word. I know what makes meat gamey, but it's a different taste. I wasnt a fan of Texas beef. Not terrible, but tasted different from Illinois beef.
 
Billy the Mountain

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Hollatchaboy said:
Gamey isn't the right word. I know what makes meat gamey, but it's a different taste. I wasnt a fan of Texas beef. Not terrible, but tasted different from Illinois beef.
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What is Illinois beef?

I've had my share of Chicago area steak but I have no idea where it came from.
It's far more likely than not that it wasn't from Illinois
 
Hollatchaboy

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Billy the Mountain said:
It was my understanding that most beef in the area comes from the huge operations in Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, etc.

Per capita, we'd be at the bottom of the list

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Right, we are probably subsidized by the other states, but over a million head of cattle, and 22nd in milk production. Are those cattle farmers keeping them for pets?

All I was saying, is the beef here in Illinois(wherever it comes from) tastes different than the beef in Texas, imo. I don't really care about the statistics.
 
Friendly_Grower

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PJ Diaz said:
What is the difference between organically and synthetically produced nitrogen at a molecular level?
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I really looked for that article. I did. So it would show that the inorganic shows up in I think an Xray or something as different.
I suspect you know about it. Got a link?

I was not successful in finding that article. Sorry. I tried.
There is a difference and if I remember the article it is not different to the plant. It just is different and it can be seen under Xray I think.

Look I am not making a line in the sand and daring folks. Me, personally, just want to do as Nature has.
 
Friendly_Grower

Friendly_Grower

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Hollatchaboy said:
Right, we are probably subsidized by the other states, but over a million head of cattle, and 22nd in milk production. Are those cattle farmers keeping them for pets?

All I was saying, is the beef here in Illinois(wherever it comes from) tastes different than the beef in Texas, imo. I don't really care about the statistics.
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I think we all have our taste experiences. I had a chance to drink "Raw" milk. Oh boy was that gamey.
I will take homogenized any day over that. I was thinking I was getting the experience of mouth on a Cow's teat with that one.

Just thought it would be funny to share that.
 
PJ Diaz

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Friendly_Grower said:
I really looked for that article. I did. So it would show that the inorganic shows up in I think an Xray or something as different.
I suspect you know about it. Got a link?
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Nope, I know nothing about it. I don't see how it could possibly be any different at the molecular level to be honest, which is why I asked you what the difference is. X-rays? Seems pretty far-fetched.
 
PJ Diaz

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In my opinion, the difference you detect in "organic grown" weed vs hydroponic grown weed is due the absence of things such as soil bacteria, naturally occurring hormones, plus humic and fulvic acids. Personally I add kelp, fulvic acid, and bacteria to my feed, which I feel enhances the flavor compared to straight salt feeds.
 
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