Vaccinated stay contagious longer than Unvaccinated

OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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PJ Diaz said:
LOL they didn't even test the new bivalent covid booster on people. It was only tested on mice, eight of them to be exact. Isn't that just as scientifically insignificant and irresponsible, if not more?
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Citation?

The FDA gave the bivalent emergency use allowance while human trials are still going on but enough had been used to show no more issues than the original.

Here in Canada it was only OKed after human trials.

globalnews.ca

Fact check: Yes, the Moderna Omicron shot for Canada was tested on humans. What to know - National | Globalnews.ca

The Moderna bivalent vaccine Health Canada approved was designed to target both the original COVID-19 strain and the original Omicron variant that emerged in November 2021.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca

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PJ Diaz

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OldMedUser said:
Citation?

The FDA gave the bivalent emergency use allowance while human trials are still going on but enough had been used to show no more issues than the original.

Here in Canada it was only OKed after human trials.

globalnews.ca

Fact check: Yes, the Moderna Omicron shot for Canada was tested on humans. What to know - National | Globalnews.ca

The Moderna bivalent vaccine Health Canada approved was designed to target both the original COVID-19 strain and the original Omicron variant that emerged in November 2021.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca

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You need a citation? You could have just googled it, but ok.. I hope official FDA docs are enough of a citation for you:

EDIT: I should have specified the Pfizer jab.
 
PJ Diaz

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OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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PJ Diaz said:
You need a citation? You could have just googled it, but ok.. I hope official FDA docs are enough of a citation for you:

EDIT: I should have specified the Pfizer jab.
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Something more specific to the topic at hand would be nicer. The new bivalents will stay on emergency use until human trials are completed. Drugs already in use don't need to do the full sets of trials when just a minor tweak has been made to their formulations so they are actually being more stringent with these covid vaccines. Drug companies commonly make minor changes to an existing drug when their patent expires so they can file a patent for a new and improved drug when the old and regular one still works just fine but they are losing money as the generics roll out.

PJ Diaz said:
That's only for the BA.1 version, not 4 or 5. From your article:

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Well call me a LabRat then! ;)

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PJ Diaz

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OldMedUser said:
Something more specific to the topic at hand would be nicer. The new bivalents will stay on emergency use until human trials are completed. Drugs already in use don't need to do the full sets of trials when just a minor tweak has been made to their formulations so they are actually being more stringent with these covid vaccines. Drug companies commonly make minor changes to an existing drug when their patent expires so they can file a patent for a new and improved drug when the old and regular one still works just fine but they are losing money as the generics roll out.
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More specific to the topic at hand? I posted the FDA info showing only 8 mice were used in their study. 8 mice.

Meanwhile, Pfizer is about to quadruple it's price for the vaccines. I guess all those billions they already made off a mandated shot wasn't enough. Maybe that's why they only used 8 mice, they just couldn't afford any more.

www.reuters.com

Pfizer expects to hike U.S. COVID vaccine price to $110-$130 per dose

Pfizer Inc expects to roughly quadruple the price of its COVID-19 vaccine to about $110 to $130 per dose after the United States government's current purchase program expires, Pfizer executive Angela Lukin said on Thursday.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
Drop That Sound

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Let us know how it go's. I hear the newest study says that the more side effects you have from the shot, the better immunity it gives you.
 
Drop That Sound

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There are about 6 doses in a vial right? How does that work out?.. You pay for the whole bottle? Or just per dose, meaning a vial is worth $660-780?
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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Drop That Sound said:
There are about 6 doses in a vial right? How does that work out?.. You pay for the whole bottle? Or just per dose, meaning a vial is worth $660-780?
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Free here. Just make an appt at the local drug store and show up for the shot. Pretty sure if you had to pay for it you're only paying for the one dose. The rest of the doses in that bottle get paid for by the next people who get some from it. When vaccines were in short supply if there were doses left over they would announce over the PA in stores that you could get your shot right now if it was free or at half price in places that charge just so the doses wouldn't get wasted. They can't go back into the freezers. Phizer needs the really cold freezers but Moderna is OK in a regular freezer so that's all we've got here is the moderna.

It could be nuts this winter with everyone thinking this is over. The flu has been repressed from all the mask wearing so there will be lots of that as well as covid flare ups especially in red states. TB has been ignored thru all this and is now killing many more than covid is and a lot more than it has in past years. This RSV virus is also flaring up and can be quite devastating to the very young. And now polio and some smallpox is popping up in various places to add to the joy. People have become so complacent about these 'extinct' diseases that half the world is susceptible to becoming an epidemic instead of namby-pamby pandemic.

Then there's the thawing arctic and permafrost releasing bacteria, virus and fungi that we've never encountered before.

Oh well. Once WWIII wipes humans off the planet it can heal itself for a few million years until some mutant chimpanzee figures out how to control fire then we can start the whole damn thing up again for another fun ride. :)

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NotTheRobot

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OldMedUser said:
It could be nuts this winter with everyone thinking this is over. The flu has been repressed from all the mask wearing so there will be lots of that as well as covid flare ups especially in red states. TB has been ignored thru all this and is now killing many more than covid is and a lot more than it has in past years. This RSV virus is also flaring up and can be quite devastating to the very young. And now polio and some smallpox is popping up in various places to add to the joy. People have become so complacent about these 'extinct' diseases that half the world is susceptible to becoming an epidemic instead of namby-pamby pandemic.
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I got my fourth shot a week ago. I took Moderna because shots 2 and 3 were Moderna and I've managed to NOT get Covid yet. I distance, wash hands after going out, don't attend concerts, go on cruises, etc. and haven't gotten sick. Colds and flu are included in the list of things I haven't had in years now so the distancing and masks are about more than Covid for me. Closed offices with recirculated air and sick people that were too proud to stay home when they are sick is in the past for me.

Years ago I worked in a group with a person that came back to Canada with TB. The guy that got TB was 5'10" and dropped to 87 pounds, got put in a medically induced coma, and years later still had holes in his lungs since lungs are very slow to heal. Over a year after he was infected people that worked with him (including me) got a request to test for TB. TB hangs around and waits for the system to weaken, then attacks. If you think disease is over because you aren't sick today there will be lessons in how it really works.

I know more people that have had Covid in the last couple months than all the previous months starting in 2019. Red states means U.S. which is a REALLY small part of the world.
 
cannabineer

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Drop That Sound said:
www.thegatewaypundit.com

NEW STUDY: 1 in 780 German Children Under 5 REQUIRES HOSPITALIZATION Due to Severe Adverse Event Following Pfizer's mRNA COVID shots | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

According to the findings of German research, one in every 700 children under the age of five who received the Pfizer mRNA Covid vaccine was hospitalized with severe adverse events (SAE), and one in every 200 children had ‘symptoms that were currently ongoing and thus of unknown significance.’...
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com
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lol Gateway Pundit



 
PJ Diaz

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Budley Doright said:
www.muhealth.org

Scary Reports of Deaths Following COVID-19 Vaccination Aren’t What They Seem

Intentional misrepresentation of data aims to dissuade people from getting COVID-19 vaccination.
www.muhealth.org www.muhealth.org

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know

Now that COVID-19 vaccines are authorized, here are the facts you need now.
www.hopkinsmedicine.org www.hopkinsmedicine.org

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10-months old articles? Come on now. You are refuting current data with old data? Funny.
 
Budley Doright

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Archived 39: Recommendations on the use of bivalent Omicron-containing mRNA COVID-19 vaccines [2022-09-01] - Canada.ca

NACI recommendations on the use of bivalent Omicron-containing mRNA COVID-19 vaccines: Methods, epidemiology, hybrid immunity, seroprevalence, efficacy, immunogenicity, administration, benefits, safety, adverse events and more.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

COVID-19 vaccine safety: Report on side effects following immunization - Canada.ca

Information about any adverse events following immunization (AEFI) that individuals have reported after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Canada. These adverse events are not necessarily related to the vaccine.
health-infobase.canada.ca health-infobase.canada.ca
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Budley Doright said:

Archived 39: Recommendations on the use of bivalent Omicron-containing mRNA COVID-19 vaccines [2022-09-01] - Canada.ca

NACI recommendations on the use of bivalent Omicron-containing mRNA COVID-19 vaccines: Methods, epidemiology, hybrid immunity, seroprevalence, efficacy, immunogenicity, administration, benefits, safety, adverse events and more.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
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What is it exactly that you are trying to show with that archived link which will never be updated with new information?

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