I thought this was America?

sunni

Administrator
Staff member
Ok ok guys... I suppose I was just talking to the American members. Crazy how other Countries follow our policies more than thier own.
because america directly impacts the majority of the north american users and european users on here, which is our second biggest following.

Canada and america is directly connected whether we like it or not as canadians your politics and policies topics etc effect us
 

sunni

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Staff member
My take. Immigrants come to this Country all the time with nothing and set up successful businesses, and provide for thier families. I mayself at one The lower class are just lazy, with no drive to better themselves. I would get up at 6 am, go to my career job, get off at 6, and go work an hour later from 7pm-3am as a bartender on the weekends.. I worked my ass of for it, and this is what makes capitalism great for the person with some drive and determination. It's way too easy these days to sit on the couch playing Call of Duty while collecting SNAP food cards, and living in section 8 housing... I get some people are just ok with mediocrocy.... I wasn't. This is the land of opportunity, not compliance to be "all equal" in your skills that you develop that are better than someone else's that's not willing to be mentally capable of developing skills to better themselves.
wow okay,
have you ever brushed up on socioeconomic issues? how can you say all poverty based people are "lazy" do you know every single person?

You sound slightly old right im not saying that to be rude, but sure you got up at 6am got your snap worked etc in a time where you could save money where you could push forward, and im sure people helped in ways they could be it your boss letting you wait in line for your snap etc.

but to say well i did it this way everyone else is just lazy because they didnt do it my way and those damn kids have some for of entertainment and are living in section 8 are lazy is absolutely ridiculous you dont know anyones circumstances.
 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
A little socialism would be good for America if they didn't always confuse it with communism. ;)

:peace:
Socialism-ish for basic necessities, heavily taxed capitalism for the rest. A healthy happy workforce and prosperous consumer base is good for business. Those elite reptile aliens just don't get it.

It still sounds sort of Deepak Chopra: made to sound deep but fails on examination.

Not refuting your point but that generator is awesome. "Death expresses the light of things" "Everything nurtures new reality" "Quantum physics reflects cosmic potentiality" and best of all: "The mind creates infinite happiness"
 

Offmymeds

Well-Known Member
.... adding to this. You know how many "Help Wanted", or "Now Hiring" signs there are all over town? It's not like there's a shortage of jobs, there's a shortage of people who really want to work. But the way our system is set up, it's easier for them so sit at home collecting the Government Cheese than getting out in the work field and starting up a 401K, Roth IRA, or even savings. They'll never get there sitting on the couch. THIS is the problem. And what sucks even more, is that hard working people are paying taxes to fund these "couch potatoes" while they also get free healthcare for a family of 5-6. We pay $1000 a month for 2 people for healthcare.... are you ok with that?

@OldMedUser Said... "Every one of those ripoff rat bastards has been taking pieces of us for decades and now they're tearing off chunks while their profits soar obscenely. Banks especially. Biggest profits in years while they nickle and dime us all into the poorhouse."

....... that's why you invest in them. Example... 2020 took a big hit to Big Oil. I invested in them, and now they are 6x's what I invested....I doubt I will ever buy that much gas for the rest of my life with the ROI. Not a Biden fan, but he's sure helped me grab opportunities in the dip. Capitalism is opportunities. You just have to know your forte, and knowledge of trends and how certain sectors are going to affect the market. Again.. I missed MRNA... really wished I would have known this was gonna go on this long, I would have dumped a lot of cash in that one... but, that's my bad.
The system is setup to make you believe that the the poor man is your problem. Did you ever stop to wonder why the middle class continues to erode, poverty continues to climb, and wealth disparity reaches record levels? Why did people not go back to retail jobs? Is it really the fault of "others" just being lazy couch potatoes? People do not get the same reward today that you got for your effort by working 2-3 jobs. In the generation before me families were able to save with one bread-winner working one job. People work 2 jobs just to get by today. People working at Walmart and tending bar are investing in food, utilities, and rent, not MRNA. 5% of the population holds 85% of the stock market, their returns are far greater than average, and they rebound more quickly and robustly from recessions.

In the run up back in 2016 even the GOP said "It's time to talk about wealth inequality." Then they got control and moved $1.5 T into greater wealth concentration.

The facts are that opportunities are disappearing due to the system. It isn't a people problem. It's a resource distribution problem.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Socialism-ish for basic necessities, heavily taxed capitalism for the rest. A healthy happy workforce and prosperous consumer base is good for business. Those elite reptile aliens just don't get it.


Not refuting your point but that generator is awesome. "Death expresses the light of things" "Everything nurtures new reality" "Quantum physics reflects cosmic potentiality" and best of all: "The mind creates infinite happiness"
Politically, that’s pretty much where I am now.

On the Chopra-Matic … it is a lot of fun, isn’t it? Sorta puts paid to the things people say who also say “I’m not religious, but I am spiritual.” A handy tool for writers of horoscopes.
 

Antidote Man

Well-Known Member
What's so great about the socialist ideat?... and what do you have against capitalism?.... I not trying to rally here, just taking a survey.
I have nothing against capitalism. But I see it for what it is. Nor anything for/against socialism..

I do know the point of capitalism is based in selfishness, to amass as much as one can for themselves while socialism and communism are ideological beliefs in controlling wealth and limit everyone to having the same, but I know they've never worked and if you study history capitalism its the best representation of survival of the fittest and its left a sort of biological footprint throughout history shaping kingdoms and empires as there would be no other way for a top down system to exist and they always have.

long live capitalism. nothing can defeat it.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I have nothing against capitalism. But I see it for what it is. Nor anything for/against socialism..

I do know the point of capitalism is based in selfishness, to amass as much as one can for themselves while socialism and communism are ideological beliefs in controlling wealth and limit everyone to having the same, but I know they've never worked and if you study history capitalism its the best representation of survival of the fittest and its left a sort of biological footprint throughout history shaping kingdoms and empires as there would be no other way for a top down system to exist and they always have.

long live capitalism. nothing can defeat it.
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Antidote Man

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My take. Immigrants come to this Country all the time with nothing and set up successful businesses, and provide for thier families. I mayself at one time in my early 20's didn't have 2 nickels to rub together. Drive and determination led me to a successful 32 year career, and I was able to retire at 54. Luck? ... no. If I had just stayed content as a "gofer", I'd be living in the same 800 sq ft matchmox house that I first got decades ago. Not bragging or anything, but I had the "opportunity" to better myself through the capitalistic system, and have no worries, or debt, and have a healthy net worth.. The lower class are just lazy, with no drive to better themselves. I would get up at 6 am, go to my career job, get off at 6, and go work an hour later from 7pm-3am as a bartender on the weekends.. I worked my ass of for it, and this is what makes capitalism great for the person with some drive and determination. It's way too easy these days to sit on the couch playing Call of Duty while collecting SNAP food cards, and living in section 8 housing... I get some people are just ok with mediocrocy.... I wasn't. This is the land of opportunity, not compliance to be "all equal" in your skills that you develop that are better than someone else's that's not willing to be mentally capable of developing skills to better themselves.
There's some real truth to immigrants coming here and setting up businesses where they wouldn't be able to in their own country. Sure there are lazy lower class people but it's an outright lie to say that's its all of them. or even the majority of them.

"This is the land of opportunity, not compliance to be "all equal" in your skills that you develop that are better than someone else's that's not willing to be mentally capable of developing skills to better themselves."

That's just not true either. Not with the spin you're putting on it.

I know this by experience and although I also know equality is merely a mathematical term, there are forces in this country picking and choosing people in the 'land of quest for wealth' that aren't the best at what they do.. and could give a shit if its fair or not..
 

DoubleAtotheRON

Well-Known Member
wow okay,
have you ever brushed up on socioeconomic issues? how can you say all poverty based people are "lazy" do you know every single person?

You sound slightly old right im not saying that to be rude, but sure you got up at 6am got your snap worked etc in a time where you could save money where you could push forward, and im sure people helped in ways they could be it your boss letting you wait in line for your snap etc.

but to say well i did it this way everyone else is just lazy because they didnt do it my way and those damn kids have some for of entertainment and are living in section 8 are lazy is absolutely ridiculous you dont know anyones circumstances.
Not "every" one in the lower class is lazy I understand that some have unbeatable odds against them. So, my apologies for using a blanket term.
I guess I am slightly "old right"... just the way I was brought up I suppose. And for the record, I've never taken government subs (SNAP, food stamp, etc). I was too prideful for that. Sure i'd get help from family with a place to stay, hot meal, etc. I'd snag the pizza for myself at a place I worked when the cook messed one up. I was never bought a car. I did it on my own with tips, and it was a $500 car back in 1985. And it would't be my last $500 car. Im a big Dave Ramsey fan, and after going through a divorce in 2009 and even tho I was making 6 figs, I bought another $500 car. Kept my house at 55 degrees in the winter, ate sandwiches every day, and never went out. I was trying to eliminate my debt with a 5 year plan, but did it in 3. Again, you're right, I don't know everyones circumstances. But, I think more people could better themselves if they just applied themselves. Keep in mind too, that this was a 32 year project that I was constantly dedicated to, and took advise from successful people along the way. I didn't want to work till I was dead.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
How so, in your view?
By highlighting a vagueness that is supposed to mean something but, on analysis, doesn’t really. It illustrates a human affinity for feelgood phrases.

There is a lesson there for consumers of all sorts of slogans. Many are evocative but not informative: emotioneering at work. Sometimes there is a correlation between the turgidity of the phrase and the poor quality of the product, like this sparkling nugget from when GM products hit a general low. Not a lot of these left.

 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
By highlighting a vagueness that is supposed to mean something but, on analysis, doesn’t really. It illustrates a human affinity for feelgood phrases.
So if a person believes in "god", but doesn't associate with any particular religion, how does that not make them spiritual without being religious?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
But you made this claim, which I'm trying to understand:

Sorta puts paid to the things people say who also say “I’m not religious, but I am spiritual.”
Follow the context. The reason the Chopra-Matic is funny because it turns out evocative nonsense of a familiar sort.

From which follows: I am not attacking spiritual people in general; such legitimately exist. But surely you (as have I) have met people who say the above to signal a virtue that does not stand scrutiny. That is how the Chopra-Matic ties in. This all started with a poster who said something that tries to sound profound, but isn’t.
 

PJ Diaz

Well-Known Member
Follow the context. The reason the Chopra-Matic is funny because it turns out evocative nonsense of a familiar sort.

From which follows: I am not attacking spiritual people in general; such legitimately exist. But surely you (as have I) have met people who say the above to signal a virtue that does not stand scrutiny. That is how the Chopra-Matic ties in. This all started with a poster who said something that tries to sound profound, but isn’t.
OK, well I myself identify as spiritual but not religious. I'm not sure what there is to scrutinize over however.
 
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