Is Biden really that bad?

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doublejj said:
It was conversation we were having about how to deal with the possible decline of Joe Biden and possible solutions. it was based on an article in thehill.com. It was an idea to replace Biden with Gavin Newsome.
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I saw that. I'm still unsure how disbanding the legislative council ties into the idea though.
 
Dorian2 said:
I saw that. I'm still unsure how disbanding the legislative council ties into the idea though.
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Someone posted that it is the legislative council that sets rules on Cali Governor's limitations. I simply stated that with a supermajority the dems can re-write the rules.....one of the perks of having a supermajority. will-of-the-people by votes, to do what's necessary.
 
Dorian2 said:
I saw that. I'm still unsure how disbanding the legislative council ties into the idea though.
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He wants to do the same thing that he would condone republicans for attempting, but supports it in instances which benefit his agenda. Classic sanctimonious hypocrisy. "Will of the people" is a terrible justification for degradation of democracy and support of gerrymandering.
 
doublejj said:
Someone posted that it is the legislative council that sets rules on Cali Governor's limitations. I simply stated that with a supermajority the dems can re-write the rules.....one of the perks of having a supermajority. will-of-the-people by votes, to do what's necessary.
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I get it. I'm not giving you a hard time BTW. Just have genuine curiosity about how your system works in different States. Wouldn't the legislative council be a good device to keep the super majority honest and avoid overreach? Or even oversight?
 
Dorian2 said:
I get it. I'm not giving you a hard time BTW. Just have genuine curiosity about how your system works in different States. Wouldn't the legislative council be a good device to keep the super majority honest and avoid overreach? Or even oversight?
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yes...but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. Every vote tallied is the will-of-the-people and the dems have tallied enough votes to have a supermajority and thus enjoy a will-of-the-people mandate to do what is necessary. California's independents and republicans have a hard time with this concept.
 
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doublejj said:
yes...but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. Every vote tallied is the will-of-the-people and the dems have tallied enough votes to have a supermajority and thus enjoy a will-of-the-people mandate to do what is necessary
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Are there specific mandates that the folks in Cali need(want) put in place that a supermajority would be able to create without oversight? Or would it be more beneficial to the people to have some form of legal oversight? There's still gotta be checks and balances along the road IMO. Otherwise you get crazy Trumpy type shit going on all over the place. ;)
 
Dorian2 said:
Are there specific mandates that the folks in Cali need(want) put in place that a supermajority would be able to create without oversight? Or would it be more beneficial to the people to have some form of legal oversight? There's still gotta be checks and balances along the road IMO. Otherwise you get crazy Trumpy type shit going on all over the place. ;)
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No sorry once the votes are counted it is what it is. California has voted for a supermajority for the democrats. They have control over 'oversight', this is what the people voted for.
 
doublejj said:
yes...but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. Every vote tallied is the will-of-the-people and the dems have tallied enough votes to have a supermajority and thus enjoy a will-of-the-people mandate to do what is necessary. California's independents and republicans have a hard time with this concept.
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The legislature could try to do it, sure. Then the courts would likely strike it down as illegal. Good thing that we have checks and balances in our democracy.

Now all of a sudden you are trying to simply frame this as "a possibility", but earlier you sure seemed to present it as something that you'd not only support, but would push as a good idea. I continue to find it oddly ironic that you would think erosion to democracy in order to suit your personal agenda is a good thing.
 
How big is California’s historic budget?
Where does California’s historic budget proposal rank compared to previous budgets, and just how big is $300 billion?
That’s the price tag of the budget for the coming year, which the California Legislature approved this week. The surplus alone has reached a record-high $97 billion. And while the budget process is not final — legislative leaders will now have to negotiate with Gov. Gavin Newsom on the finer details of that budget — that staggering number can be difficult to put into perspective.
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How big is California's historic budget, visualized

Where does the historic California budget rank compared to previous budgets, and just how big is $300 billion?
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CunningCanuk said:
I hate to say it but I agree with Peej on this one.

This plan looks like another way to undermine the will of the people to me. Nobody elected Newsom to be president. When I read shit like this it makes me wonder how many Americans are actually in favour of a democratic government.

Instead of running some kind of an angle to appoint a more popular person to be president, Democrats should stick with the president the American people elected and leave the fascist games to the Republicans.

Yes, Biden and Harris are unpopular now but they shouldn’t be. Biden is doing an incredible job and like DIY said, history will be kinder to him than todays opinion polls.
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I think somebody is having some fun at PJ's expense.
 
PJ Diaz said:
The legislature could try to do it, sure. Then the courts would likely strike it down as illegal. Good thing that we have checks and balances in our democracy.

Now all of a sudden you are trying to simply frame this as "a possibility", but earlier you sure seemed to present it as something that you'd not only support, but would push as a good idea. I continue to find it oddly ironic that you would think erosion to democracy in order to suit your personal agenda is a good thing.
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If you believe the will-of-the-people is the erosion of democracy you sound more like a republican every day.....
 
doublejj said:
How big is California’s historic budget?
Where does California’s historic budget proposal rank compared to previous budgets, and just how big is $300 billion?
That’s the price tag of the budget for the coming year, which the California Legislature approved this week. The surplus alone has reached a record-high $97 billion. And while the budget process is not final — legislative leaders will now have to negotiate with Gov. Gavin Newsom on the finer details of that budget — that staggering number can be difficult to put into perspective.
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How big is California's historic budget, visualized

Where does the historic California budget rank compared to previous budgets, and just how big is $300 billion?
calmatters.org calmatters.org
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Stop supporting shithole red states who are poor because they are assholes and for no other reason. The ones who voted to screw the blue states on deducting state taxes because they don't have any themselves, but instead sponge off the feds while shitting on them. The ones who destroyed their own education and social infrastructure because the brown folks were getting some too and they would rather have their kids starve in ignorance than let that happen. The ones living in the past, refuse to move into the future and want to drag you down with them. Like the Russians Americans should be living like kings and not shit, a more equitable distribution of the wealth would do that, since it's been accumulating at the top since the 1980's. I guess better that the super-rich get it than the brown people, even if it means they have to live like shit themselves, in war sacrifices have to be made!
 
Fogdog said:
I think the lesson we should take from this election cycle is something I keep repeating.

The only poll that matters is an election poll.

The statistics in these opinion polls are impossible for readers to use. For example:

538, in its final forecast for this election said Democrats had a 41% chance of winning the Senate. Basically this is a coin flip. Democrats won. Was 538 right or wrong?
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I said going in I didn't trust the polls and the republicans skewed them with junk polling 538 aggregates polls. I wouldn't bet a dime on the outcome because of all the variables and the political polling did not jibe with the polling on specific issues like abortion and guns among other policies. Keeping the house will be nothing short of a Miricale and even one seat short gives Joe room to maneuver and offer a plum job to the right republican. ;) It's been done before and falls into the category of shenanigans.
 
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