DIY-HP-LED
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He is a placeholder for DoFo.
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CANON_Grow
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Agreed, but it should not become a partisan issue. When I first heard about it I thought 100% it should be made public, name and shame. But it would be really easy for a foreign government to cause real harm by donating money to a politician they wanted the Canadian public to turn on.
CunningCanuk
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Let’s hope we never find out, populists make me nervous.
OldMedUser
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As a hard core NDP supporter I was devastated when Jack Layton passed and am sure the NDP would have finally got a kick at the federal can had he survived. People were sick of Harper and not enthused about a Trudeau re-run so he almost certainly would have led the party to victory. Pot legalization, or prohibition 2.0, as I've been calling it since before it happened got a lot of stoners off the couch to help him get his first win and trash the Conservatives.
I've never voted for him but we could have done a lot worse. If Little PP gets in we'll see a rapid slide into the type of gong show going on down south and if I thought it would help I'd vote Liberal in the next federal election but we never seem to have a liberal candidate up here in northern Bumf**k Alberta so it's NDP for me and we have a good chance of getting them back next May for another term and then hopefully they stay around after that. This place is going to hell in a hand basket with the Cons in power again and an un-elected female tRump now in the Cons driver's seat. Pure f'n evil this one is.
DIY-HP-LED
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The message in Justin Trudeau’s retort to Xi Jinping: Welcome to the free world
Leaders like Xi and Putin are starting to realize their limits, along with the liabilities that come with surrounding themselves with sycophants.
By Brett Bruen, former director of global engagement in the Obama White House
We have seen more than a few awkward moments lately for the world’s more ambitious autocrats. Russian President Vladimir Putin declared large swaths of Eastern Ukraine annexed during an elaborate ceremony in Moscow. Days later his troops were roundly routed and forced into a long retreat. The prime minister of Vietnam got comically caught on a live feed, provided by none other than the U.S. Department of State, making disparaging remarks about the American president and his team. Then there were the reported leaks about Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau taking China’s President Xi Jinping to task for alleged malicious meddling in his country’s elections.
What these leaders most detest, as evidenced by Xi’s videotaped temper tantrum with Trudeau, is transparency. We should be working hard to ensure they have to publicly face more of those inconvenient truths.
That episode exploded into the public arena on Thursday when the media pool captured Xi upbraiding Trudeau at the Group of 20 summit in Indonesia for allegedly leaking to the press details of that private exchange, held on Tuesday. “Everything we discussed has been leaked to the paper. That’s not appropriate,” a smiling Xi said through a translator, according to the footage. “And that’s not the way the conversation was conducted.”
To his credit, Trudeau responded: “In Canada, we believe in free and open and frank dialogue, and that is what we will continue to have. We will continue to look to work constructively together, but there will be things we will disagree on.” Indeed, it’s standard operating procedure for democratic leaders to leak elements favorable to themselves to the press after meeting with foreign government officials.
Stepping out of their tightly controlled environments can be tough for these leaders. They cannot simply toss the journalists in jail, and their threats against Western nations are looking even more pathetically pyrrhic than usual. Leaders like Xi and Putin are starting to realize their limits, along with the liabilities that come with surrounding themselves with sycophants. Welcome to the free world.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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sure...but now Xi will never have another conversation with a western leader that isn't a load of useless horseshit. he'll never communicate another meaningful word in a private conversation with any western politician, ever again.
yeah, make your comments on how china is doomed, and Xi has always been that way...meanwhile, the worlds second largest economy, and second largest armed forces, look on, unamused.
DIY-HP-LED
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By Brett Bruen, former director of global engagement in the Obama White House
CANON_Grow
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China can go fuck themselves if they don't like it. They can bitch all they want, but the rest of the world is catching on to their shit.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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y'all are just not getting the point...it doesn't fucking matter if it was china, or hungary, or poland, or botswana....the participants in the conversation are irrelevant...what matters is that world leaders talk to each other, because they keep those conversations in confidence...there can be warnings, tips, advice...in those conversations, and if they all quit having them, because some participants can't respect those boundaries, there will be no more warning, tips, or advice, it will become every nation for itself...
it's never been about china, it's been about trudeau running his fucking mouth, allowing his aids to run their mouths...now go ahead and give me a bunch of shit....like i care.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
My issue with this is that what you describe presupposes that the communication between world leaders is, if you’ll pardon the sexism, a gentleman’s game.
It isn’t. It is better described by The Prince. It is a martial art: all form as regimented as Kabuki, with the meaning of what was publicly said at best incidental.
That said, the pursuit of that art is better served by discretion than unreliable and questionably principled disclosure. That is a prime reason why our previous administration cost us so dearly in the esteem of other governments. It’s nice to have a pro back on top.
CANON_Grow
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I get the point you are trying to make, what I don't understand is why you think it applies to this specific instance? This was not a private meeting as you can clearly see in that picture. It does fucking matter that it was China, that's the entire point. There is a history of China being dramatic anytime they are questioned. How the fuck has that not got through to you? How do you not understand this is China trying to make an example to any smaller nation? You say this is about Trudeau running his fucking mouth, yet this is standard operating procedure. Enough with the hyperbole, Canada releasing that Trudeau brought up China's meddling inside Canada to Pooh bear is not going going to prevent world leaders from talking.
Roger A. Shrubber
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it is a game, and every move in every game is designed to reach a goal. one goal could be to spread disinformation, while at the same time achieving victimhood, by being the wounded party...it's nice when you have an inexperienced opponent that you can manipulate easily into achieving your goals for you.
DIY-HP-LED
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The new attitude towards authoritarians and evil despots is an unintended consequence of liberal democracies uniting against these assholes because of the Ukraine war. We see how weak they really are in the face of free societies and with portions of their own populations yearning for the same. Xi is every bit as bad as Putin, he just hasn't invaded anybody, but occupies Tibet and suppresses minorities. He has used trade for blackmail and is seeking to corner certain vital global markets and commodities to use for diplomatic leverage against liberal democracies and as a weapon.
With Putin gone Xi will feel kinda lonely at the despot's club
With Putin gone Xi will feel kinda lonely at the despot's club
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cannabineer
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I’ve stopped shopping at Evil Depot; it’s mostly Chinese crap.
DIY-HP-LED
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FIFY and to keep from looking like MTG!
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
wouldn’t want the Gazpacho knocking on your door in the cold night.FIFY and to keep from looking like MTG!
DIY-HP-LED
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Under threat: Cantonese speakers worry about their language's future | DW News
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Although Cantonese is spoken by 80 million Chinese around the world, its influence is waning due to pressure from Beijing to favor Mandarin as the official language in China. But the decline has stirred some people to try to preserve the language, for example, in the US.
Roger A. Shrubber
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maybe if it was an unseasonably warm night...and they brought garlic herb bread, too....and some albarino...
DIY-HP-LED
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Roger A. Shrubber
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who is sylvia and why is she trying to destroy hospitals?
sorry if i seem ignorant, but for the last decade or so we've been kind of busy trying to fight off fascists, white nationalist, and religious zealots...guessing she's part of some subset of one of those?