Advanced nutrients Over drive cheaper alternative?

MissinThe90’sStrains

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Malted barley is great! I have a fat bag of 6 row barley I keep around for this purpose-don't buy it pre-ground, get it whole and use a coffee grinder for just the amount you are going to use right away. Just don't overdo it, you can overnute a plant fairly easily with it. Also, if you top-dress with it, it can sort of plaster the surface of your media so that water has a hard time penetrating, so I just add it to my nutrient solution. Once every 2 weeks is enough, I use 2 tablespoons per 3 gallons of nutrient solution.
I’d like to be able to find some products that have multiple uses, to cut down on the number of products used/purchased. If CSL gives enzymes too, could it replace the barley? I also have a big ass bag of malted barley that I grind, and am curious if I could have spent that money more efficiently. Thanks.
 

OldMedUser

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AN is one of the most overpriced diluted asinine nute lines out there. better options: GH 3 part, jacks 321, maxibloom - choose one and add nothing else aside from silica. bud hardeners and bloom boosters are just going to mess you up because you're new and because they are totally unnecessary.
When I last bought gallon jugs of AN 3-part it was almost $40 cheaper than the GH 3-part and when comparing apples to apples AN is a much better product than the GH. The others are too different to be a decent comparison other than they are a lot cheaper than both the AN or GH. I got a couple kilos of MegaCrop a few years ago and it seemed to veg the plants fine but did not flower to my satisfaction so I stopped using that.

Where the expense comes in is all the supplements that you mostly don't ever need but there are suckers born every minute and evey company makes them and charges an arm and a leg for too so bitching about AN is a little one-sided.

All I used from AN is the 3-part and Big Bud. Some of the Rhino Skin for silica with DWC but I don't use that in potted plants. 3 gal of nutes and a 500g tub of BB powder for $200 and I've grown a couple hundred plants with it and have almost half the nutes left. Nutes are maybe 10% of my total expenses to grow. Power at 30+¢/kwh is what really costs.

I don't give my money to a-hole companies like GH who never once said their products were used for pot and when my buddy mentioned pot to the tech rep on a call he got hung up on. Those a-holes had paid shills badmouthing AN all over the web for years and a lot of AN haters bought it hook, line and sinker. Now that GH is owned by the Scotts, Monsanto, Hawthorne, Roots and now Bayer line of corporate rip-offs that's even more reason to use AN if only for the pH Perfect technology advantage. I've done over 50 DWC grows since '01 and once I never had to test pH again AN is the only hydro nutes I'll ever buy but I'm going all organic now so won't be needing any bottled nutes. Never checked pH using them in ProMix HP and grows always went great. I always use RO or distilled water too as our tap water from the dugout is 400+ppm and 8+pH.

AN is originally a Canadian independent company now manufacturing in the states too using better salts than GH by far so I don't mind paying for that.

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ProPheT 216

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I have used everything. Honestly my favorite line is nectar. Super pricy tho, and designed for soil. Jacks is where it's at, use the 3 2 1 formula and your set. Maybe add some recharge that's about all u need
 

beefninja97

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When I last bought gallon jugs of AN 3-part it was almost $40 cheaper than the GH 3-part and when comparing apples to apples AN is a much better product than the GH. The others are too different to be a decent comparison other than they are a lot cheaper than both the AN or GH. I got a couple kilos of MegaCrop a few years ago and it seemed to veg the plants fine but did not flower to my satisfaction so I stopped using that.

Where the expense comes in is all the supplements that you mostly don't ever need but there are suckers born every minute and evey company makes them and charges an arm and a leg for too so bitching about AN is a little one-sided.

All I used from AN is the 3-part and Big Bud. Some of the Rhino Skin for silica with DWC but I don't use that in potted plants. 3 gal of nutes and a 500g tub of BB powder for $200 and I've grown a couple hundred plants with it and have almost half the nutes left. Nutes are maybe 10% of my total expenses to grow. Power at 30+¢/kwh is what really costs.

I don't give my money to a-hole companies like GH who never once said their products were used for pot and when my buddy mentioned pot to the tech rep on a call he got hung up on. Those a-holes had paid shills badmouthing AN all over the web for years and a lot of AN haters bought it hook, line and sinker. Now that GH is owned by the Scotts, Monsanto, Hawthorne, Roots and now Bayer line of corporate rip-offs that's even more reason to use AN if only for the pH Perfect technology advantage. I've done over 50 DWC grows since '01 and once I never had to test pH again AN is the only hydro nutes I'll ever buy but I'm going all organic now so won't be needing any bottled nutes. Never checked pH using them in ProMix HP and grows always went great. I always use RO or distilled water too as our tap water from the dugout is 400+ppm and 8+pH.

AN is originally a Canadian independent company now manufacturing in the states too using better salts than GH by far so I don't mind paying for that.

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I stand corrected. I was under the impression AN was more complex and expensive with their base nutes. and I guess I can't really fault them for selling a multitude of kinda weak/unnecessary supplements since GH does the same (is big bud necessary? or silica for that matter). I wonder if their salts are truly "better". I have used GH 3 part and it was pretty decent. Not sure about stability in hydro with them though. So having said all that, why the switch to organics?
 

beefninja97

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I have used everything. Honestly my favorite line is nectar. Super pricy tho, and designed for soil. Jacks is where it's at, use the 3 2 1 formula and your set. Maybe add some recharge that's about all u need
I seem to see you mentioning nectar from time to time. How do you approach such a dauntingly complex line of nutrients? and how do you justify the pricetag?
 

ProPheT 216

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I seem to see you mentioning nectar from time to time. How do you approach such a dauntingly complex line of nutrients? and how do you justify the pricetag?
Using nectar is like if your plant was getting sun and growing on the side of a swamp. Just fresh decomposing goodies everywhere. Approaching it, started with the base line and added kept adding. Justifying it I can't really, it does give some extra flavor and quality, but it is way beyond super expensive. If you have money and your growing for you personally I would highly say give it a go. If you are growing for a profit your gonna give most of that to them lol
 

OldMedUser

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I stand corrected. I was under the impression AN was more complex and expensive with their base nutes. and I guess I can't really fault them for selling a multitude of kinda weak/unnecessary supplements since GH does the same (is big bud necessary? or silica for that matter). I wonder if their salts are truly "better". I have used GH 3 part and it was pretty decent. Not sure about stability in hydro with them though. So having said all that, why the switch to organics?
Many years back I did a bunch of research on the purity of various nutes and AN was basically the cleanest with GH a ways down on the list.

Funny thing is that even the worst of the hydro nutes are way cleaner than 'organic' soils. There's a lot of crap in soils of all makes. Way higher in heavy metals etc than the worst hydro stuff so 'organics' is not the way to grow if you want the cleanest bud.

I started switching as I thought once I got the hang of it it would be easier plus I'm a life-long learner that likes to take on harder stuff and at least make myself competent at it. Going organic indoors in pots has been quite the challenge for me where I did great outdoors in the ground with basically the same stuff that I put in the pots.

I've grown great crops with just ProMix HP right out of the bale to fill a pot then water it good with a low dose of all 3 AN nutes. Chuck in a plant then wait for it to grow. Easy-peasy and the same with DWC where I'd top up with RO water every 3rd day then check the ppm and add small amounts of nutes in the same ratio to boost it back up to my target level. Never check pH and never change my tubs for the whole grow. Changing weekly just helps the nute makers get richer faster.

With the Big Bud I got some when it was first invented and tried side-by-side growing with it and would prefer never to grow without it. I'll boost up the Bloom nutes and add a half dose of the BB a week before flipping to flower then add the other half at the flip. Faster flower development with lots more bud sites real fast.

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I grew my first buds in '78 then on and off over the years until I moved up here to Bumf**k, Northern Alberta in '01 with 6 hash plant clones in a cooler and there hasn't been a day since that I don't have pot plants growing in the house. Got to experiment to keep it interesting and now myself and friends are all getting older we all need our meds dammit! :)

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Psyphish

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AN is cheaper locally than Terra Aquatica / General Hydroponics. I can't get Jacks or Megacrop without paying insane shipping costs, customs fees and taxes. I've used the two part Sensi coco line for years and don't really have any complaints coming from Lucas formula and H3ad's formula. Not having to think about pH is just a bonus.
 

ProPheT 216

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AN is cheaper locally than Terra Aquatica / General Hydroponics. I can't get Jacks or Megacrop without paying insane shipping costs, customs fees and taxes. I've used the two part Sensi coco line for years and don't really have any complaints coming from Lucas formula and H3ad's formula. Not having to think about pH is just a bonus.
Jacks 5 12 26 is on Amazon. I think those r the numbers... :eyesmoke:
 

OldMedUser

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A question for you guys that may have used MegaCrop and had it go all mushy from absorbing moisture from the air.

Would it be OK to just add it all to some water to dissolve it and use it like a 1-part liquid fertilizer? I have about 1.5kg of it sitting on a shelf doing nothing and was thinking about using it up in the veggie garden next summer.

I'm pretty sure it would cause problems like precipitation of some of the minerals. When dry they don't combine but once in water and left in a concentrated state they probably would. Same issues with liquid nutes in different bottles so that kind of thing doesn't happen.

Maybe I should just dry it out in a warm oven and grind it up or take it to the dump on my next run and toss it in the area where the farmers dump all their chemical waste.

Hate to waste stuff.

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ProPheT 216

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A question for you guys that may have used MegaCrop and had it go all mushy from absorbing moisture from the air.

Would it be OK to just add it all to some water to dissolve it and use it like a 1-part liquid fertilizer? I have about 1.5kg of it sitting on a shelf doing nothing and was thinking about using it up in the veggie garden next summer.

I'm pretty sure it would cause problems like precipitation of some of the minerals. When dry they don't combine but once in water and left in a concentrated state they probably would. Same issues with liquid nutes in different bottles so that kind of thing doesn't happen.

Maybe I should just dry it out in a warm oven and grind it up or take it to the dump on my next run and toss it in the area where the farmers dump all their chemical waste.

Hate to waste stuff.

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The water will have a max where it can not dissolve any longer. At that point things will settle and bond, making sands and chalks
 

OldMedUser

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The water will have a max where it can not dissolve any longer. At that point things will settle and bond, making sands and chalks
As a retired chemist I'm aware of supersaturated solutions and would dilute it enough that it would have enough volume to dissolve everything that is soluble.

It's more that some parts could react with other parts to form insoluble precipitates and render some of the minerals useless for use by plants. This is why you never mix bottles nutes together straight out of the bottles.

Think I'll have to experiment by mixing up a small batch in a beaker to see if some stuff drops out. 10g/L to start and see what gives.

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Psyphish

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what kind of ragtag black market are you buying fertilizer from where you don't have to pay taxes????
The taxes are included when I buy from the local growshop, but if I order from Amazon I need to pay 24% extra, plus a small customs processing fee. It's very pricey buying anything american.
 
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