AP: The super spreaders behind top COVID-19 conspiracy theories

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My bad.. I should know even posting vids from those sites won't help much, and stir the pot. I realise not everyone will skim through like I do. Sorry guys.

Here is the actual transcript from that show: https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442

 

[Rob Roy]

You want people to just believe that you are not just making this up about Biden and Maddow?

If so, it would be a lot easier to post the actual video of them saying it, and not just some troll edited clip that tends to be very cherry picked and void of any context. That way people can actually weigh the information and draw their own conclusion.

As for 'Super Spreading' disinformation, I would mainly draw a line at people paying/getting paid to spread the lies. Profiting on the suffering of others due to greed or whatever other hate is causing them to willingly push the dangerous anti-vaccine/science lies is truly a shitty thing to do.

 

[Rob Roy]

False premise. Your immoral choice poses a direct and deliberate threat to other people’s bodies.

False dichotomy. Flawed premise. Not immoral or at least not by the people you are alluding to.

By now, it should be a given that we know "the vaccine" or most masks don't prevent people from getting covid or passing it along.

Anyhow, the false dichotomy part is, you didn't include all the possible responses that could have occurred, instead you seem to default to the responses that were illegally mandated by government legislating by executive branch edicts as being beyond judgement. They aren't.

If people that owned a PRIVATE business wanted to tell people everyone has to wear a mask and/or be vaccinated and made that abundantly clear, people could elect to go there or not. No threats, no choices taken away.

On the other hand, if people that owned a PRIVATE business didn't care if you and other customers wear a mask or took the "vaccines" and made that abundantly clear, people could make that choice. No threats. No choices taken away.

In both instances above, private businesses and their customers get a choice, nobody threatening anyone. Government doesn't then create a fight where they interject themselves into private lives and private business or show favor their cronies by calling some businesses "essential" and telling others they must shutdown.

Instead what did happen, is government, not the owners of the businesses in many cases made the choices for PRIVATE business and even went so far as trying to use terms like "lockdown", "new normal" as if they weren't tyrannical concepts.
There's the deliberate threat, you tried to hang on people making their own choices. Threats made. Choices taken away.

 

[hanimmal]

My bad.. I should know even posting vids from those sites won't help much, and stir the pot. I realise not everyone will skim through like I do. Sorry guys.

Here is the actual transcript from that show: https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442

It looks like she pretty covered it pretty well, what is it that people are trying to say she is super-spreading false information about?

Just another edited clip? How do we know that he didn't cover the correct information during that speech and you are not just regurgitating a video that is taking shit out of context?

 

[Rob Roy]

It looks like she pretty covered it pretty well, what is it that people are trying to say she is super-spreading false information about?
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Just another edited clip? How do we know that he didn't cover the correct information during that speech and you are not just regurgitating a video that is taking shit out of context?

The transcript you quoted (hi lited) has another passage.

If a person heard the passage below, what might their take away be?

Maddow - "A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else. It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to get more people.
That means the vaccines will get us to the end of this. If we just go fast enough to get the whole population vaccinated. It`s huge news."

 

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Here is the full video:

Watch The Rachel Maddow Show Episode: Rachel Maddow 1/29/21 - NBC.com

Watch Rachel Maddow 1/29/21 (Season 2021, Episode 2101291) of The Rachel Maddow Show or get episode details on NBC.com

www.nbc.com

To back up the transcripts.

 

[Rob Roy]

Here is the full video:

Watch The Rachel Maddow Show Episode: Rachel Maddow 1/29/21 - NBC.com

Watch Rachel Maddow 1/29/21 (Season 2021, Episode 2101291) of The Rachel Maddow Show or get episode details on NBC.com

www.nbc.com

To back up the transcripts.

You might have meant to link to something else? Could be me, but I seem to be unable to see the same one as the transcript.

I'm familiar with the Maddow one, but everytime I tried, it seemed it was taken down. Not surprised.

 

[CANON_Grow]

Really? Have you already forgot about all the mask mandates?

There are no longer any states requiring people generally to wear masks in public places. Several states still mandate masking for most people in certain high-risk settings, including health care and long-term care facilities. Nov 1, 2022

It will be sad if masking has to be mandated again, but why are you against wearing a mask to help protect your community when required?

So we can further our discourse, could you help me understand what you think makes a person a "super spreader" and give an example of who might be one based on what they said etc. ?

That Dr. you quoted would be a super spreader of dangerous conspiracy theories. Already covered why and not going to promote the garbage he is peddling. Please do not expose yourself to COVID on purpose, there is no miracle water or vitamins that are a magic bullet for protection.

 

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Maybe I meant to link this one..

“It’s as simple as black and white. You’re vaccinated, you’re safe. You’re unvaccinated, you’re at risk. Simple as that,” says Dr. Anthony Fauci.

 

[Rob Roy]

It looks like she pretty covered it pretty well, what is it that people are trying to say she is super-spreading false information about?
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Just another edited clip? How do we know that he didn't cover the correct information during that speech and you are not just regurgitating a video that is taking shit out of context?

C'mon man! Even if he DID or didn't cover it in that video, nobody can listen to him for more than like 37 seconds without giving up because they can't decipher WTF he's saying. Lol. Although the thing he WAS clear on was inaccurate.

Hasn't Biden gotten covid several times?

 

[Rob Roy]

It will be sad if masking has to be mandated again, but why are you against wearing a mask to help protect your community when required?

Please take the time to read my post #563 for more context.
This is an excerpt (dark) from that post which gives an alternative way to address your fears and concerns.

If people that owned a PRIVATE business wanted to tell people everyone has to wear a mask and/or be vaccinated and made that abundantly clear, people could elect to go there or not. No threats, no choices taken away.

On the other hand, if people that owned a PRIVATE business didn't care if you and other customers wear a mask or took the "vaccines" and made that abundantly clear, people could make that choice. No threats. No choices taken away.

In both instances above, private businesses and their customers get a choice, nobody threatening anyone. Government doesn't then create a fight where they interject themselves into private lives and private business or show favor their cronies by calling some businesses "essential" and telling others they must shutdown.

If masks get mandated again, rather than letting people make their own choices, it really shows how this is about control rather than protection of choice. It's selfish to force our choices on people or their property when we don't own that property and other alternatives are possible.

Sad? Yes, it will be sad if you keep saying the selfish ones are the ones that are advocating for freedom of choice. If you want to protect a community, you don't threaten people, you respect their property. Problem solved.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Please take the time to read my post #563 for more context.
This is an excerpt (dark) from that post which gives an alternative way to address your fears and concerns.

If people that owned a PRIVATE business wanted to tell people everyone has to wear a mask and/or be vaccinated and made that abundantly clear, people could elect to go there or not. No threats, no choices taken away.

On the other hand, if people that owned a PRIVATE business didn't care if you and other customers wear a mask or took the "vaccines" and made that abundantly clear, people could make that choice. No threats. No choices taken away.

In both instances above, private businesses and their customers get a choice, nobody threatening anyone. Government doesn't then create a fight where they interject themselves into private lives and private business or show favor their cronies by calling some businesses "essential" and telling others they must shutdown.

If masks get mandated again, rather than letting people make their own choices, it really shows how this is about control rather than protection of choice. It's selfish to force our choices on people or their property when we don't own that property and other alternatives are possible.

Sad? Yes, it will be sad if you keep saying the selfish ones are the ones that are advocating for freedom of choice. If you want to protect a community, you don't threaten people, you respect their property. Problem solved.

I can't believe a bunch of stoners are all about government control. WTF happened,

 

[CANON_Grow]

Please take the time to read my post #563 for more context.
This is an excerpt (dark) from that post which gives an alternative way to address your fears and concerns.

If people that owned a PRIVATE business wanted to tell people everyone has to wear a mask and/or be vaccinated and made that abundantly clear, people could elect to go there or not. No threats, no choices taken away.

On the other hand, if people that owned a PRIVATE business didn't care if you and other customers wear a mask or took the "vaccines" and made that abundantly clear, people could make that choice. No threats. No choices taken away.

In both instances above, private businesses and their customers get a choice, nobody threatening anyone. Government doesn't then create a fight where they interject themselves into private lives and private business or show favor their cronies by calling some businesses "essential" and telling others they must shutdown.

If masks get mandated again, rather than letting people make their own choices, it really shows how this is about control rather than protection of choice. It's selfish to force our choices on people or their property when we don't own that property and other alternatives are possible.

Sad? Yes, it will be sad if you keep saying the selfish ones are the ones that are advocating for freedom of choice. If you want to protect a community, you don't threaten people, you respect their property. Problem solved.

Okay, what would you say if I started dumping toxic chemicals on my property that ended up in your water supply? Would you feel that I would be fully justified in being able to do that because I was only doing it on my property?

 

[CANON_Grow]

I can't believe a bunch of stoners are all about government control. WTF happened,

It's not about government control, it's about trying to protect the weak and vulnerable in our communities during a specific time.

 

[Rob Roy]

Okay, what would you say if I started dumping toxic chemicals on my property that ended up in your water supply? Would you feel that I would be fully justified in being able to do that because I was only doing it on my property?

I'm a little hesitant to get so far off topic, but maybe the problem is you didn't confine your actions to just your property, which you have the right to control. It's like you took an experimental vaccine and ran around shedding some of the vaccines poor side effects onto your neighbors property.

Sometimes I fart on my property and a dark cloud drifts across the forest. Birds fall from trees, frogs grow a third eye. No doubt if they wore a mask, everyone would be safe.

 

[Rob Roy]

It's not about government control, it's about trying to protect the weak and vulnerable in our communities during a specific time.

No, it really isn't. The closing of some stores, but not other stores disproves that silliness.

I think some Governor's even allowed some stores to be open (how gracious) but closed certain aisles in the same stores so people wouldn't purchase verbooten items. That's insane.

 

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A Navy Veteran Showed Up For Jury Duty. The Judge Sent Him To Jail For Not Wearing A Mask. | The Daily Wire

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North Carolina judge sends prospective juror to jail for refusing to wear mask in mask-optional courthouse

A North Carolina man was remanded to jail for refusing a judges order to wear a mask despite the lack of statewide or local mandates or laws.

www.foxnews.com

N.C. Man Jailed for Not Wearing Mask on a Jury | Headline USA

(Molly Bruns, Headline USA) A single father and US Navy veteran who was jailed for refusing to mask during jury duty made an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show to discuss what happened. Gregory Hahn described it as “the worst 24 hours of his life,” and, according to the Post Millennial, he was...

headlineusa.com

 

[CANON_Grow]

I'm a little hesitant to get so far off topic, but maybe the problem is you didn't confine your actions to just your property, which you have the right to control. It's like you took an experimental vaccine and ran around shedding some of the vaccines poor side effects onto your neighbors property.

Sometimes I fart on my property and a dark cloud drifts across the forest. Birds fall from trees, frogs grow a third eye. No doubt if they wore a mask, everyone would be safe.

Okay, so we agree that there is a bigger picture that needs to be looked at when one persons actions can negatively affect others.

No, it really isn't. The closing of some stores, but not other stores disproves that silliness.
I think some Governor's even allowed some stores to be open (how gracious) but closed certain aisles in the same stores so people wouldn't purchase verbooten items. That's insane.

So what happened once the hospitals were no longer at risk of collapse? Specific measures taken at a specific time to prevent illness and death. I agree that there are lessons to be learned about what was effective and can debate what measures should be taken the next time the world has to deal with a pandemic.

 

[Rob Roy]

Okay, so we agree that there is a bigger picture that needs to be looked at when one persons actions can negatively affect others.



So what happened once the hospitals were no longer at risk of collapse? Specific measures taken at a specific time to prevent illness and death. I agree that there are lessons to be learned about what was effective and can debate what measures should be taken the next time the world has to deal with a pandemic.

A persons actions which can be controlled by that person are different than a persons actions which can't be controlled by that person, but sure it's nice to be mindful of others and their rights.

I prefer not to use the word pandemic to describe what happened. Survival rates of unvaxxed pretty much proved that.
I think of it as a manufactured crisis to create a "new normal" and , to enrich some people with either money, power over others or both.

I'm fine with you running your business as you see fit. d If you want a "mask only" policy and are not doing it because a dictatorial third party told you that you must, I'd respect that. I'd think it's silly, but I'd respect it.

But a dictatorial third party DID tell some people they can be open and some people they can't, which shows just whose vulnerable wallet "in the community" they were trying to protect.

Hospitals? I heard hospitals got extra money for coding everything as "covid". Doesnt look like hospitals were too worried about their stuffed wallets collapsing.

 

[CANON_Grow]

A Navy Veteran Showed Up For Jury Duty. The Judge Sent Him To Jail For Not Wearing A Mask. | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

North Carolina judge sends prospective juror to jail for refusing to wear mask in mask-optional courthouse

A North Carolina man was remanded to jail for refusing a judges order to wear a mask despite the lack of statewide or local mandates or laws.

www.foxnews.com

N.C. Man Jailed for Not Wearing Mask on a Jury | Headline USA

(Molly Bruns, Headline USA) A single father and US Navy veteran who was jailed for refusing to mask during jury duty made an appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show to discuss what happened. Gregory Hahn described it as “the worst 24 hours of his life,” and, according to the Post Millennial, he was...

headlineusa.com

You do realize that judges can send you to jail for all sorts of shit while in their courtroom, right? If you tell a judge you feel like they're being an asshole that you're ending up in jail, even with the first amendment. You can even be sent to jail for refusing to speak.