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schuylaar

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cannabineer said:
1) the desert gets pretty cold.
2) I object on principle when a kinetic measure (wind chill) is used to describe a thermodynamic one (temperature). It is as nonsensical as quoting the horsepower of a jet engine. Yeah, people do that.
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So does High Plains..without the sun? It's flat Kansas..when the wind comes whipping from Cheyenne from the North? Nothing to stop it that's why I can't even imagine traveling this in a covered wagon.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
schuylaar said:
So does High Plains..without the sun? It's flat Kansas..when the wind comes whipping from Cheyenne from the North? Nothing to stop it that's why I can't even imagine traveling this in a covered wagon.
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I don’t like cold much. And Kansas is a cakewalk compared to parts of Wyoming that can hit forty below (temp) and a hundred below (effective wind chill calculated off mammal body temp).
Folks were either tough as hell or dead back then. And their horses, who did that shit naked.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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cannabineer said:
1) the desert gets pretty cold.
2) I object on principle when a kinetic measure (wind chill) is used to describe a thermodynamic one (temperature). It is as nonsensical as quoting the horsepower of a jet engine. Yeah, people do that.
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Yes, I know it gets cold in the desert.

Wind chill is more than a kinetic measure in Winnipeg in late January. It has to be experienced to be appreciated.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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CunningCanuk said:
Yes, I know it gets cold in the desert.

Wind chill is more than a kinetic measure in Winnipeg in late January. It has to be experienced to be appreciated.
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Physics state that it is kinetic, since it is tied to the rate of heat loss.
I have experienced crackling windy cold. It knifes through clothes. It hurts. But it isn’t right to call it temperature.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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cannabineer said:
Physics state it is kinetic, since it is tied to the rate of heat loss.
I have experienced crackling windy cold. It knifes through clothes. It hurts. But it isn’t right to call it temperature.
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I agree and prefer the term “feels like” but either way, up here in the great white North, some kind of measure to portray increased risk can be life saving.
 
printer

printer

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CunningCanuk said:
Yes, I know it gets cold in the desert.

Wind chill is more than a kinetic measure in Winnipeg in late January. It has to be experienced to be appreciated.
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Been there, done that.

cannabineer said:
Physics state it is kinetic, since it is tied to the rate of heat loss.
I have experienced crackling windy cold. It knifes through clothes. It hurts. But it isn’t right to call it temperature.
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Walked a block to my sister's yesterday, -30 C, wind was cutting, maybe a -15 C on top of that. The point of the wind chill temperature is to factor in the heat loss (sure you understand) into an equivalent temperature in still air. It is used to judge how much clothing you need to wear. I have a knee length parka, niece asked about it yesterday, told her I bought it in '82. It is quilted, down filled canvas. Winter boots with felt linings, was feeling the wind blow in through the crack between the coat and its hood (held together with buttons, why they thought to make it removable I'll never know). I held one arm up to block the air getting to the gap and pull down the front of the hood so the air will not hit my exposed face, only looking straight down to see where I was walking. In ten minutes I was feeling skin burning even with my decent winter apparel. If I was anticipating a longer jaunt I would have taken a scarf and possibly ski pants.

 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
printer said:
Been there, done that.



Walked a block to my sister's yesterday, -30 C, wind was cutting, maybe a -15 C on top of that. The point of the wind chill temperature is to factor in the heat loss (sure you understand) into an equivalent temperature in still air. It is used to judge how much clothing you need to wear. I have a knee length parka, niece asked about it yesterday, told her I bought it in '82. It is quilted, down filled canvas. Winter boots with felt linings, was feeling the wind blow in through the crack between the coat and its hood (held together with buttons, why they thought to make it removable I'll never know). I held one arm up to block the air getting to the gap and pull down the front of the hood so the air will not hit my exposed face, only looking straight down to see where I was walking. In ten minutes I was feeling skin burning even with my decent winter apparel. If I was anticipating a longer jaunt I would have taken a scarf and possibly ski pants.

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I like to walk the dog before sunup. I have to dress warmer for a windy 45 degrees F than a calm 25 degrees F. It’s the rate of heat loss that governs.

I’d like to find pants that I can wear indoors* on a cold day, or outdoors in a cold and even wet wind. The outdoor catalogs are frustrating to read, because they are biased toward active people. I cannot seem to find passivewear.

*which requires an incompressible insulator that doesn’t degrade in bed.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
1) the desert gets pretty cold.
2) I object on principle when a kinetic measure (wind chill) is used to describe a thermodynamic one (temperature). It is as nonsensical as quoting the horsepower of a jet engine. Yeah, people do that.
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i don't ever pay attention to their actual numbers, but a 5 mile an hour wind makes it feel colder, and the faster the wind, the colder it feels. i don't care how you quantify it, or even if you do, but i can stand 20 below, and have, if it's calm, where as 20 above drives me inside, with a brisk wind blowing.
 
Bagginski

Bagginski

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cannabineer said:
1) the desert gets pretty cold.
2) I object on principle when a kinetic measure (wind chill) is used to describe a thermodynamic one (temperature). It is as nonsensical as quoting the horsepower of a jet engine. Yeah, people do that.
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I never imagined that “wind chill factor” was any kind of scientific formula for splicing refrigeration into simple cold. Not saying there is no basis for massaging the two forms of thermal radiation into a single ‘effective temperature equivalent’, just don’t know of one. It’d be interesting to discover the opposite

I’ve primarily always viewed it as a rule of thumb, an internal calculation occurring below thought by considering humidity & the sound of the wind (if any) along w/ temp. Which is not to say that an absolutely still night must be less bone-chilling than a windy one…but I’d say my lived experience is believable for me, so - short of contrary evidence, I’m inclined to be satisfied. I can always stand to improve my grasp of things, tho, so I stay curious

Desert. Cold. Oh, yes.
 
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