Elons Little Plan

Roger A. Shrubber

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He damaged Tesla at the worst possible time, just as every other automaker on the planet was coming out with EVs of every description and solar roofs now has competition from established roofing manufactures with better warranties, service and products. SpaceX has become vital to the government too and Elon is viewed with suspicion by many in the government and national security community. He owns about 44% of SpaceX and might be forced to sell more for control by adults, unless he is keeping an arm's length away from it. They are doing a lot of military and NRO launches for the government, starlink is vital for military and other government uses as is demonstrated in Ukraine. Controlling drones with it would be game changer, both in the air, on sea and even on land, it can put an entire crew inside a virtual tank, ship or aerial drone, there is that much bandwidth. With just 24ms of latency it is like real time and a ship could have a half a dozen starlink antennas all locked on to a different satellite for redundancy and/or increased data bandwidth. That potentially is what is at stake with starlink alone.
which is EXACTLY why starlink and spacex should both be nationalized and removed from his control, and no further private sector businesses should be allowed to operate in the same way in the future...national security trumps capitalism. period.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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which is EXACTLY why starlink and spacex should both be nationalized and removed from his control, and no further private sector businesses should be allowed to operate in the same way in the future...national security trumps capitalism. period.
They don't need to nationalize it, just spread out control among other companies or even buy a controlling interest and that could be as little as 10% after it has been spread around a bit and Elon makes even more money. There are many ways the government can twist Elon's arm and his recent republican political activity could be the result of that twisting, even his plan to purchase Twitter to become a political kingpin, like an old fashioned press Barron. Elon knows who is for sale and who he can buy and control most easily, republicans obviously, if they get control Elon will be building rockets in Russia for Vlad or anything else he wants to do.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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They don't need to nationalize it, just spread out control among other companies or even buy a controlling interest and that could be as little as 10% after it has been spread around a bit and Elon makes even more money. There are many ways the government can twist Elon's arm and his recent republican political activity could be the result of that twisting, even his plan to purchase Twitter to become a political kingpin, like an old fashioned press Barron. Elon knows who is for sale and who he can buy and control most easily, republicans obviously, if they get control Elon will be building rockets in Russia for Vlad or anything else he wants to do.
russia seems to be where muck learned his management skills...do what i say or i'll have the thought police lock you the fuck up and let a rat eat through your face...sorry, little 84 flashback...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
He damaged Tesla at the worst possible time, just as every other automaker on the planet was coming out with EVs of every description and solar roofs now has competition from established roofing manufactures with better warranties, service and products. SpaceX has become vital to the government too and Elon is viewed with suspicion by many in the government and national security community. He owns about 44% of SpaceX and might be forced to sell more for control by adults, unless he is keeping an arm's length away from it. They are doing a lot of military and NRO launches for the government, starlink is vital for military and other government uses as is demonstrated in Ukraine. Controlling drones with it would be game changer, both in the air, on sea and even on land, it can put an entire crew inside a virtual tank, ship or aerial drone, there is that much bandwidth. With just 24ms of latency it is like real time and a ship could have a half a dozen starlink antennas all locked on to a different satellite for redundancy and/or increased data bandwidth. That potentially is what is at stake with starlink alone.
I gaze into my crystal ball and it says “time to short Spacex”. Maybe wait to see if Shartsip turns out to be the kludge I’m thinking it might be.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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so much winning...has muck done any testing at all before releasing these vehicles? did they get driven in the cold? in the heat, in the rain?.....it doesn't seem like it, or they would have discovered these problems before hand and dealt with them, obviously...the only other explanation is that they did the tests, knew the vehicles had problems, and released them anyway, to artificially inflate the value of the company...almost as if the owner of the company had use for a lot of liquid assets at just about the same time....but that would be totally unethical, surely muck wouldn't do that... :roll:
https://www.businessinsider.com/rented-tesla-stopped-six-times-one-day-charge-hertz-2023-01
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
so much winning...has muck done any testing at all before releasing these vehicles? did they get driven in the cold? in the heat, in the rain?.....it doesn't seem like it, or they would have discovered these problems before hand and dealt with them, obviously...the only other explanation is that they did the tests, knew the vehicles had problems, and released them anyway, to artificially inflate the value of the company...almost as if the owner of the company had use for a lot of liquid assets at just about the same time....but that would be totally unethical, surely muck wouldn't do that... :roll:
https://www.businessinsider.com/rented-tesla-stopped-six-times-one-day-charge-hertz-2023-01
I just looked around a bit. The firm suggests minus 22 C (zero Fahrenheit) as a lowest temp. They also tell you to keep the car plugged in to operate the battery pack heater.

If an electric works poorly in a Midwest winter, that sounds like awful design to me.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I just looked around a bit. The firm suggests minus 22 C (zero Fahrenheit) as a lowest temp. They also tell you to keep the car plugged in to operate the battery pack heater.

If an electric works poorly in a Midwest winter, that sounds like awful design to me.
that's at least a third of the country out of play for 4 to 5 months a year..."sorry gran, our piece of shit tesla can only go to Mn. in the summer, maybe we'll rent a real car next year for Christmas, if you're still alive then."
 

DIY-HP-LED

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that's at least a third of the country out of play for 4 to 5 months a year..."sorry gran, our piece of shit tesla can only go to Mn. in the summer, maybe we'll rent a real car next year for Christmas, if you're still alive then."
Newer battery types work better in the cold and in many places like Canada people plug the block heater in their car during winter, in Winnipeg we even had outlets at work in the parking lot. So just plugging it into 120V at home would keep the battery and interior warm. I also think for places like Canada they will be selling gas heaters for interiors, similar to a Volkswagen heater as after market or even OEM equipment, they can run it on propane or gas and it wouldn't use much and would only be used for a couple of months of the year.

There are lot's of things starting to appear for EV's like cheap rebuilt battery packs for older models by third party manufactures and car heaters won't be long coming.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Newer battery types work better in the cold and in many places like Canada people plug the block heater in their car during winter, in Winnipeg we even had outlets at work in the parking lot. So just plugging it into 120V at home would keep the battery and interior warm. I also think for places like Canada they will be selling gas heaters for interiors, similar to a Volkswagen heater as after market or even OEM equipment, they can run it on propane or gas and it wouldn't use much and would only be used for a couple of months of the year.

There are lot's of things starting to appear for EV's like cheap rebuilt battery packs for older models by third party manufactures and car heaters won't be long coming.
do you see muck embracing new technology? which would force him to admit he is offering people cut rate garbage to begin with?
we're not talking about sane auto manufacturers, who have a fucking clue about customer service and the value of customer satisfaction, we're talking about poor little rich boi, who has made a stupidly profitable career out of fucking things up almost irreparably and then abandoning them to the ministrations of semi competent managers...
Other EV makers will adapt on the fly. muck will continue to argue that there is nothing wrong with his product, while ignoring the complaints pouring in.
 

hanimmal

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do you see muck embracing new technology? which would force him to admit he is offering people cut rate garbage to begin with?
we're not talking about sane auto manufacturers, who have a fucking clue about customer service and the value of customer satisfaction, we're talking about poor little rich boi, who has made a stupidly profitable career out of fucking things up almost irreparably and then abandoning them to the ministrations of semi competent managers...
Other EV makers will adapt on the fly. muck will continue to argue that there is nothing wrong with his product, while ignoring the complaints pouring in.
My bullshit guess is that he was figured he could sell Tesla to a big three/foreign manufacturer like some stupid house flipping episode.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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My bullshit guess is that he was figured he could sell Tesla to a big three/foreign manufacturer like some stupid house flipping episode.
that's a possibility...and it could still happen, but if he sold at the moment i'm guessing he would lose even more money...if he's not a complete idiot, he will fix what needs fixing the most, shut his fucking mouth on twitter, and hope that tesla stock rises in response...of course, he seems stupid enough to talk himself into keeping the stock if it does rally even slightly...his ego wouldn't allow him to think anything but his own brilliance is responsible for the rally...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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do you see muck embracing new technology? which would force him to admit he is offering people cut rate garbage to begin with?
we're not talking about sane auto manufacturers, who have a fucking clue about customer service and the value of customer satisfaction, we're talking about poor little rich boi, who has made a stupidly profitable career out of fucking things up almost irreparably and then abandoning them to the ministrations of semi competent managers...
Other EV makers will adapt on the fly. muck will continue to argue that there is nothing wrong with his product, while ignoring the complaints pouring in.
Like Henry Ford with the model T. Tesla invested heavily in what will soon be old battery tech with mega factories. Others are using other technologies and sodium might soon be a player in the low end auto market. Tesla now or soon will have very serious competition, Elon plans to go cheap with a $12.5K EV after rebates, we will see, I posted about it on the climate change thread.

 

hanimmal

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that's a possibility...and it could still happen, but if he sold at the moment i'm guessing he would lose even more money...if he's not a complete idiot, he will fix what needs fixing the most, shut his fucking mouth on twitter, and hope that tesla stock rises in response...of course, he seems stupid enough to talk himself into keeping the stock if it does rally even slightly...his ego wouldn't allow him to think anything but his own brilliance is responsible for the rally...
Im not sure any legit company would take on the risk now that they have their own lines picking up. Especially after hearing the horror stories on people trying to get them serviced. And personally I think he is just another spoiled rich idiot, and not anything special at all for taking credit of people he paid to do his work all his life.

And after he got deep into this 'owning of the libs' style of fascism and has been since he was in business with that douchebag from PayPal, he is now getting caught holding the bag for them after running a emerging green tech company and one of the largest social media empires into the ground here in America, and is about to see all the hard work of the people working in his companies crashing down. Which won't hurt him or his dictator buddies at all, because it suits their wants. Because he got a shit ton of government money and data to give to our foreign enemies to attack us with to keep him relevant for a long time.

Maybe this is not as much about SpaceX, because from what I am pretty sure I read (so might be bullshit) they kept him far away from the actual decision making. But tanking Tesla and turning Twitter into a national danger seems like more the plan than a mistake from my point of view.
 
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