Climate in the 21st Century

[Roger A. Shrubber]

THIS is Why the Grid is Ready for Electric Cars!
94,510 views Feb 9, 2023 #norway #windturbine #power
Can the National Grid really cope with electric vehicles?! That's the question we get asked A LOT on the Fully Charged Show and so we thought it was time to ask the experts. In this episode Helen takes us over, under and into the inner workings of the incredible infrastructure powering our homes and readying the grid for mainstream adoption of electric vehicles. From renewable energy see-saw cables, hidden underground tunnels and secret control rooms, Helen shows us the remarkable journey the electrons travel before they end up powering our kettles, phones, laptops, cars and the myriad of other things we plug in every day!

i don't know about Norway's electrical grid, but ours is a piece of fucking shit that absolutely will not stand up to that kind of demand. It needs to be repaired and replaced nation wide. What's the first thing you hear in any kind of disaster? THOUSANDS WITH NO POWER....Why haven't we been burying power lines, instead of running them on poles that blow the fuck over in a high wind? why aren't large vulnerable sub stations better protected? Because we're fucking apathetic, and it's running right now, as ALWAYS, it will take a disastrous event to make us do a goddamned thing.

 

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i don't know about Norway's electrical grid, but ours is a piece of fucking shit that absolutely will not stand up to that kind of demand. It needs to be repaired and replaced nation wide. What's the first thing you hear in any kind of disaster? THOUSANDS WITH NO POWER....Why haven't we been burying power lines, instead of running them on poles that blow the fuck over in a high wind? why aren't large vulnerable sub stations better protected? Because we're fucking apathetic, and it's running right now, as ALWAYS, it will take a disastrous event to make us do a goddamned thing.

That's what Biden is doing, trying to upgrade to a green new grid and guess who is obstructing it for the most part?

Here is what Australia is doing to give you an idea of what is happening elsewhere, there is movement on transitioning to a different energy future everywhere. Everybody is seeing the writing on the wall, except for some republicans apparently, but the idea of energy independence for homeowners with an EV will catch on in America, when an EV and cheap battery storage is added to the equation. I mean what is the total electric, heating and gasoline bill annually for the average homeowner? Maybe the grid will be seen as more of a business partner and backup source than something people are completely dependent on. In any case this model takes a lot of the load off the traditional grid and makes transmitting power long distances less necessary.

In a place like Australia, it is still daylight in the outback to the west, while it is early evening on the east coast where most of the population lives and demand is peeking, so not so much storage is required. None the less they are going rooftop solar for homes and local generation of much of their needs.

Why Australia Will Be The World's New Energy Superpower

4,847 views Feb 27, 2023 #evs #cleanenergy #electriccar
Abundant sunshine, wind and various critical resources give Australia a distinct advantage when it comes to the green energy transition. So can it lead the charge and become a clean energy superpower?! Australian correspondent Rosie, who you may recognise from her own channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/engineering...) , looks at how the country could be charting its path to 100% renewables from wind, solar, storage and interconnectors as well as creating a hotbed of minerals and resources needed for electric vehicles. Enjoy!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

That's what Biden is doing, trying to upgrade to a green new grid and guess who is obstructing it for the most part?

Here is what Australia is doing to give you an idea of what is happening elsewhere, there is movement on transitioning to a different energy future everywhere. Everybody is seeing the writing on the wall, except for some republicans apparently, but the idea of energy independence for homeowners with an EV will catch on in America, when an EV and cheap battery storage is added to the equation. I mean what is the total electric, heating and gasoline bill annually for the average homeowner? Maybe the grid will be seen as more of a business partner and backup source than something people are completely dependent on. In any case this model takes a lot of the load off the traditional grid and makes transmitting power long distances less necessary.

In a place like Australia, it is still daylight in the outback to the west, while it is early evening on the east coast where most of the population lives and demand is peeking, so not so much storage is required. None the less they are going rooftop solar for homes and local generation of much of their needs.

Why Australia Will Be The World's New Energy Superpower

4,847 views Feb 27, 2023 #evs #cleanenergy #electriccar
Abundant sunshine, wind and various critical resources give Australia a distinct advantage when it comes to the green energy transition. So can it lead the charge and become a clean energy superpower?! Australian correspondent Rosie, who you may recognise from her own channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/engineering...) , looks at how the country could be charting its path to 100% renewables from wind, solar, storage and interconnectors as well as creating a hotbed of minerals and resources needed for electric vehicles. Enjoy!

How are they going to transmit that power to the rest of the world? they're a long way from anyone else.
If they're just talking about supplying themselves...well, good for them...NEXT story...
They're a unique country with a lot of open area, and a relatively short distance to transmit power. If they placed wind and solar farms centrally, everything they need to reach is within 1200 miles, and most of that is coastally located, not many landlocked major cities in Australia

Somewhere around Alice Springs, maybe?
But it would never work for us without a MAJOR infrastructure overhaul.

 

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How are they going to transmit that power to the rest of the world? they're a long way from anyone else.
If they're just talking about supplying themselves...well, good for them...NEXT story...
They're a unique country with a lot of open area, and a relatively short distance to transmit power. If they placed wind and solar farms centrally, everything they need to reach is within 1200 miles, and most of that is coastally located, not many landlocked major cities in Australia
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Somewhere around Alice Springs, maybe?
But it would never work for us without a MAJOR infrastructure overhaul.

There is a plan afoot to transmit power from Australia to Singapore via an undersea cable, so they can help out some other places, helping themselves is good enough though. America could see a similar dynamic with solar and wind in the Midwest and west supplying the east coast with evening power during peak demand. There would still be gas turbine standby generators, but their use should diminish over time.

Some people are or were paying stupid prices for power and gas prices are always going up and down, so for American homeowners the energy independence and the economics, should be the hook that gets solar panels on their roof and a battery bank in their basement as costs come down with mass manufacture. Most won't do it for the environment, but they will do it for money!

 

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How are they going to transmit that power to the rest of the world? they're a long way from anyone else.
If they're just talking about supplying themselves...well, good for them...NEXT story...
They're a unique country with a lot of open area, and a relatively short distance to transmit power. If they placed wind and solar farms centrally, everything they need to reach is within 1200 miles, and most of that is coastally located, not many landlocked major cities in Australia
View attachment 5265002
Somewhere around Alice Springs, maybe?
But it would never work for us without a MAJOR infrastructure overhaul.

If we produce enough power locally, there's no need for a major grid. The only thing lacking in the US is the will....Every state and federal building (and the parking lots) in the nation should be plastered with solar. Off shore wind farms would feed most major cities in the US. But we spend money investigating Hunter Biden's laptop instead.....US is dysfunctional

 

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How are they going to transmit that power to the rest of the world? they're a long way from anyone else.
If they're just talking about supplying themselves...well, good for them...NEXT story...
They're a unique country with a lot of open area, and a relatively short distance to transmit power. If they placed wind and solar farms centrally, everything they need to reach is within 1200 miles, and most of that is coastally located, not many landlocked major cities in Australia
View attachment 5265002
Somewhere around Alice Springs, maybe?
But it would never work for us without a MAJOR infrastructure overhaul.

Maybe a good idea would be to print on the back of their power bill how many solar panels or power they would need to average to be energy self-sufficient with an EV? Better yet how much solar or wind power with their own storage could save them on their power bill, perhaps many people would only pay a $20 a month connection fee for the grid.

I know up this way solar won't work so well, but wind would, and people pay a lot of money for gasoline, heating oil and electricity combined. I can see home generation with renewables, home battery storage and EVs changing that for a lot of people, since it will make increasing sense. Even with increasing demand, solar panel prices are down 30% now from their already low price and battery factories are springing up all over the place for EV production, I think a side effect of this will be home battery banks and grid scale battery storage. The government here is giving out grants for heat pumps and I might take advantage of it, one watt of power in for 3 watts of heat out and up to 5 watts with a ground loop well under the frost line. It all adds up and having one energy source for heating, domestic use and transportation makes the sum of costs much easier, if you are not completely dependent on a greedy corporate power utility. Battery storage will also empower consumers and generators of electricity and allow them to get a better deal from large grid operators who might become more brokers than providers.

 

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How are they going to transmit that power to the rest of the world? they're a long way from anyone else.
If they're just talking about supplying themselves...well, good for them...NEXT story...
They're a unique country with a lot of open area, and a relatively short distance to transmit power. If they placed wind and solar farms centrally, everything they need to reach is within 1200 miles, and most of that is coastally located, not many landlocked major cities in Australia
View attachment 5265002
Somewhere around Alice Springs, maybe?
But it would never work for us without a MAJOR infrastructure overhaul.

For wind, the entire south coast turns out to be first-class.

 

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If we produce enough power locally, there's no need for a major grid. The only thing lacking in the US is the will....Every state and federal building (and there parking lots) in the nation should be plastered with solar. Off shore wind farms would feed most major cities in the US. But we spend money investigating Hunter Biden's laptop instead.....US is dysfunctional

Once we get rolling with battery storage and costs come down there should be a movement towards electric agriculture, a 100kW wind turbine and solar panels setup with peak output in the spring and fall, planting and harvesting. An electric tractor and half ton would be their first moves towards electrification. Fuel makes up a significant portion of the cost of production and an electric largely energy self-sufficient farm is rapidly becoming feasible, we really just need the batteries and there are battery factories springing up everywhere these days. The main point here is that in a few years electric farming will be much more profitable than using fuel to run equipment, less maintenance too and that is the only reason it will spread!

Diesel locomotives replaced steam ones because it took a fraction of the infrastructure and manpower to maintain and run them than steam locomotives, thus cutting costs dramatically. It will be the same story with renewables and storage, it will make economic sense for homeowners and farmers. The EV revolution has the potential to cause a home power generation and storage revolution, a distributed model of generation and storage close to where it is being used for the most part and the grid is used for cloudy or windless days. Then the grid operators can rape their assholes!

 

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Maybe a good idea would be to print on the back of their power bill how many solar panels or power they would need to average to be energy self-sufficient with an EV? Better yet how much solar or wind power with their own storage could save them on their power bill, perhaps many people would only pay a $20 a month connection fee for the grid.

I know up this way solar won't work so well, but wind would, and people pay a lot of money for gasoline, heating oil and electricity combined. I can see home generation with renewables, home battery storage and EVs changing that for a lot of people, since it will make increasing sense. Even with increasing demand, solar panel prices are down 30% now from their already low price and battery factories are springing up all over the place for EV production, I think a side effect of this will be home battery banks and grid scale battery storage. The government here is giving out grants for heat pumps and I might take advantage of it, one watt of power in for 3 watts of heat out and up to 5 watts with a ground loop well under the frost line. It all adds up and having one energy source for heating, domestic use and transportation makes the sum of costs much easier, if you are not completely dependent on a greedy corporate power utility. Battery storage will also empower consumers and generators of electricity and allow them to get a better deal from large grid operators who might become more brokers than providers.

Darwin is the thunderstorm capital of the world. I’m thinking ultrafast DC chargers might be in the cards there.

 

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Darwin is the thunderstorm capital of the world. I’m thinking ultrafast DC chargers might be in the cards there.

Jus wait'en for a zap mate and I'll be on me way, EVs with lighting rods!

 

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Darwin is the thunderstorm capital of the world. I’m thinking ultrafast DC chargers might be in the cards there.

I think cars and our power grid will change more in the next 10 years than they have in the past 100 years. We're going from vinyl to CDs and on to mp3s in the automotive and grid worlds, rapid change that won't be too obvious, it is hard to tell an EV from an ICE car and roof top solar might blend in more with solar shingles and such. The transition to EV's is causing a chain reaction IMHO, or will when combined with mass produced wind turbines and cheap solar, energy storage is the key for renewable use, both at home and at farm and grid scale.

 

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Jus wait'en for a zap mate and I'll be on me way, EVs with lighting rods!

proof of concept

 

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proof of concept

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Just add a super capacitor and yer good to go.

 

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One overlooked bonus of EVs will be the death of AM radio and thus hate radio, apparently good AM reception in an EV is very difficult and they should interfere with other AM receivers nearby too! I don't think many EVs come with AM radios, there are a few, but they seem more bother than they are worth for an EV.

Automakers Are Dropping AM Radio From EVs. That Could Be Disastrous in Emergencies

New, high-tech EVs like the 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning don't have AM radios, which could make receiving emergency broadcasts impossible.

www.thedrive.com

 

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Just add a super capacitor and yer good to go.

That would be Godzilla’s bug-lite!

 

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How are they going to transmit that power to the rest of the world? they're a long way from anyone else.

By using it to create green hydrogen first. See Australia's National Hydrogen Strategy/Roadmap. Their goal is to become a major global player by 2030. Still a few hurdles to overcome, as usual, but it's much more than just a plan already.

https://www.globalaustralia.gov.au/news-and-resources/news-items/engie-build-one-worlds-largest-renewable-hydrogen-plants-australia

"Yuri will build the plant adjacent to Yara Australia’s world-scale ammonia production facility in the Pilbara region of Western Australia. The plant will produce up to 640 tonnes of renewable hydrogen a year for the facility. Yara Australia is a unit of Norway’s Yara International, the world’s leading crop nutrition company."

That's "only" a 10 megawatt electrolyzer though, they are building much larger.

At almost literally the other side of the world. Shell is building a 200 megawatt electrolyzer in Rotterdam, powered by the wind parks in sea. Problem is that's still only 10% of what they use in their own nearby refinery.

When you put solar panels on your roof in EU it doesn't actually lower the CO2 output. What... yes... and not cause we have funny weather but funny EU laws and regulations. Don't tell anyone lol but to emit CO2 on an industrial basis in EU, you need to pay for CO2 emission rights. When you put solar panels on your roof, power plants have to work less hard, so can buy less CO2 emission rights. The supply of those tradeable rights is fixed, so the demand lowers and thus the prices for those rights lower too, and they end up being sold to others who no longer have to compete with major energy suppliers. Net result is Shell becomes greener, but the total CO2 reduction is zero point zero. It's like a magic trick, making green energy go poof. The largest hydrogen factory of Europe, 4-10 gigawatt, will be build in the north of NL, small harbor town, sucking more energy from the wind parks on sea.

That makes it arguably a bad idea, to use locally produced green energy to create green hydrogen. It's a bit like turning plants into meat while the plants where already food. It costs green electricity to create green hydrogen, while the electricity could be used directly. So we need to import more hydrogen, from places where there's simply more space and sun to create it from green energy sources.

Pretty much the entire west coast of Europe is preparing for green hydrogen from Australia.

The Netherlands and Germany enhance their hydrogen import partnership with Australia | Port of Rotterdam

www.portofrotterdam.com

Australia Is Boosting Hydrogen Exports to EU as Part of Green Push

Australia wants to boost exports of green hydrogen to the European Union as the bloc seeks to cut emissions in its most energy-intensive sectors.

www.bloomberg.com

How Australia could help Europe solve its green energy gap

With the war in Ukraine forcing the European Union to cut its dependence on fossil fuels from Russia, one renewable technology that it will lean on to help fill the gap is green hydrogen.

www.reuters.com

 

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California’s highways will generate electricity from cars driving over them
California will harvest freeways for electricity.
Scientists estimate the energy generated from a 10 mile stretch of four-lane roadway can power the entire City of Burbank, which has a population numbering 105,000 people.

California's highways will generate electricity from cars driving over them

California will harvest freeways for electricity.

www.zmescience.com

 

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One overlooked bonus of EVs will be the death of AM radio and thus hate radio, apparently good AM reception in an EV is very difficult and they should interfere with other AM receivers nearby too! I don't think many EVs come with AM radios, there are a few, but they seem more bother than they are worth for an EV.

Automakers Are Dropping AM Radio From EVs. That Could Be Disastrous in Emergencies

New, high-tech EVs like the 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning don't have AM radios, which could make receiving emergency broadcasts impossible.

www.thedrive.com

AM in an EV? We barely have FM anymore. Need DAB+, something the 7 y/o built-in radio in my car doesn't support. It's basically demoted to a bluetooth speaker for my phone.

 

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AM in an EV? We barely have FM anymore. Need DAB+, something the 7 y/o built-in radio in my car doesn't support. It's basically demoted to a bluetooth speaker for my phone.

American models need it. That’s where hate radio lives.

 

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By using it to create green hydrogen first. See Australia's National Hydrogen Strategy/Roadmap. Their goal is to become a major global player by 2030. Still a few hurdles to overcome, as usual, but it's much more than just a plan already.

https://www.globalaustralia.gov.au/news-and-resources/news-items/engie-build-one-worlds-largest-renewable-hydrogen-plants-australia

"Yuri will build the plant adjacent to Yara Australia’s world-scale ammonia production facility in the Pilbara region of Western Australia. The plant will produce up to 640 tonnes of renewable hydrogen a year for the facility. Yara Australia is a unit of Norway’s Yara International, the world’s leading crop nutrition company."

That's "only" a 10 megawatt electrolyzer though, they are building much larger.

At almost literally the other side of the world. Shell is building a 200 megawatt electrolyzer in Rotterdam, powered by the wind parks in sea. Problem is that's still only 10% of what they use in their own nearby refinery.

When you put solar panels on your roof in EU it doesn't actually lower the CO2 output. What... yes... and not cause we have funny weather but funny EU laws and regulations. Don't tell anyone lol but to emit CO2 on an industrial basis in EU, you need to pay for CO2 emission rights. When you put solar panels on your roof, power plants have to work less hard, so can buy less CO2 emission rights. The supply of those tradeable rights is fixed, so the demand lowers and thus the prices for those rights lower too, and they end up being sold to others who no longer have to compete with major energy suppliers. Net result is Shell becomes greener, but the total CO2 reduction is zero point zero. It's like a magic trick, making green energy go poof. The largest hydrogen factory of Europe, 4-10 gigawatt, will be build in the north of NL, small harbor town, sucking more energy from the wind parks on sea.

That makes it arguably a bad idea, to use locally produced green energy to create green hydrogen. It's a bit like turning plants into meat while the plants where already food. It costs green electricity to create green hydrogen, while the electricity could be used directly. So we need to import more hydrogen, from places where there's simply more space and sun to create it from green energy sources.

Pretty much the entire west coast of Europe is preparing for green hydrogen from Australia.

The Netherlands and Germany enhance their hydrogen import partnership with Australia | Port of Rotterdam

www.portofrotterdam.com

Australia Is Boosting Hydrogen Exports to EU as Part of Green Push

Australia wants to boost exports of green hydrogen to the European Union as the bloc seeks to cut emissions in its most energy-intensive sectors.

www.bloomberg.com

How Australia could help Europe solve its green energy gap

With the war in Ukraine forcing the European Union to cut its dependence on fossil fuels from Russia, one renewable technology that it will lean on to help fill the gap is green hydrogen.

www.reuters.com

There are problems with hydrogen like metallic embrittlement as it absorbs hydrogen over time, it will be hell on pipelines and storage tanks unless converted into a more useable form.

I think more local generation and greater use of roof tops and distributed storage might be a better answer for many applications. It would also distribute the costs of power generation and storage, supplementing grid renewable generation and storage. Even in Europe there are a lot of suburbs surrounding cities and if the economic incentives and technology are in place it will happen. We will do more to change cars, home heating and the grid in the next decade than we have done in a century, but most of the changes won't be obvious or particularly socially disruptive though.