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While I briefly looked at Fox News...

Bill Barr joins group targeting progressive prosecutors: 'Enforce our law'
Former attorney general William Barr has joined the advisory board of Protecting Americans Action Fund, a group led by Republican Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares aimed at stopping "progressive prosecutors" and enforcing the rule of law.

"As the former U.S. Attorney General, I am proud to join Protecting Americans Action Fund because we need prosecutors who will enforce our laws, rather than criminal-friendly, progressive prosecutors who constantly fail victims and communities," Barr said in a statement, according to a report.

"Our judicial system was set up for prosecutors to prosecute, defense attorneys to defend, and a jury to decide the outcome," he said. "This organization will get us back on track by electing prosecutors who understand the duties of their position."

Miyares is the honorary chairman of the Protecting Americans Action Fund, an offshoot of the Republican-led organization GOPAC that seeks to get conservative prosecutors elected across the country through funding and other efforts, according to an ABC 8News.

Jessica Curtis, president of the Protecting Americans Action Fund and senior advisor for GOPAC, Inc., told 8News the organization gets behind "common-sense prosecutors who enforce the law and advocate for citizens around the country."

The report notes that while Protecting Americans Action Fund has helped campaigns and claims a 70% victory rate in the 2022 elections, GOPAC Chairman David Avelo, when the launch of the group was announced in 2022, didn’t rule out getting behind recall efforts to remove prosecutors from office.

8News said PAAF also announced former Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush would be joining the advisory board. "With Barr and Bush, we will continue to elect conservative prosecutors who take their job of enforcing our laws seriously," Miyares said in a statement.

You know the type of people that will get prosecuted and who would be given a pass, don't you?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
While I briefly looked at Fox News...

Bill Barr joins group targeting progressive prosecutors: 'Enforce our law'
Former attorney general William Barr has joined the advisory board of Protecting Americans Action Fund, a group led by Republican Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares aimed at stopping "progressive prosecutors" and enforcing the rule of law.

"As the former U.S. Attorney General, I am proud to join Protecting Americans Action Fund because we need prosecutors who will enforce our laws, rather than criminal-friendly, progressive prosecutors who constantly fail victims and communities," Barr said in a statement, according to a report.

"Our judicial system was set up for prosecutors to prosecute, defense attorneys to defend, and a jury to decide the outcome," he said. "This organization will get us back on track by electing prosecutors who understand the duties of their position."

Miyares is the honorary chairman of the Protecting Americans Action Fund, an offshoot of the Republican-led organization GOPAC that seeks to get conservative prosecutors elected across the country through funding and other efforts, according to an ABC 8News.

Jessica Curtis, president of the Protecting Americans Action Fund and senior advisor for GOPAC, Inc., told 8News the organization gets behind "common-sense prosecutors who enforce the law and advocate for citizens around the country."

The report notes that while Protecting Americans Action Fund has helped campaigns and claims a 70% victory rate in the 2022 elections, GOPAC Chairman David Avelo, when the launch of the group was announced in 2022, didn’t rule out getting behind recall efforts to remove prosecutors from office.

8News said PAAF also announced former Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush would be joining the advisory board. "With Barr and Bush, we will continue to elect conservative prosecutors who take their job of enforcing our laws seriously," Miyares said in a statement.

You know the type of people that will get prosecuted and who would be given a pass, don't you?
Medical travelers and people who say gay or hand out refreshments at the county’s one polling station …
 

HGCC

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basically....no NDA, no the 5 biggest bullshitters are fired, no nothing....other than

"Fox has admitted to telling lies," Dominion CEO says

yeah, hey Dominion...they're goona keep on doing it, despite what they have admitted......should have nail them to the wall and got the 1.6Bil
The money doesn't matter much, the win was going to be the trial and all the evidence being put in the public eye. It could have toppled them as an organization. They can make more money, this isn't really that much to them.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The money doesn't matter much, the win was going to be the trial and all the evidence being put in the public eye. It could have toppled them as an organization. They can make more money, this isn't really that much to them.
one thing that came to me is that this is the war chest of the gods. They can hire the best legal pit bulls in the land for the lawsuits still outstanding.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The money doesn't matter much, the win was going to be the trial and all the evidence being put in the public eye. It could have toppled them as an organization. They can make more money, this isn't really that much to them.
I figure it will be useful to the democrats if they win in 24, making their business model illegal or problematic should do it with new media law and regulation to cover any up starts. This shit and more will be used in public hearings used to draft new laws, if the democrats win by enough. Getting rid of foxnews is more important than HR1 and voting rights, the republicans are completely dependent on the culture wars and foxnews is their source. Getting rid of them, HR1 and voting rights will level the playing field considerably and remove the republican's illegal and antidemocratic advantages including dark money. If they should stumble and fall in 24, then make sure you bury the fuckers.
 

HGCC

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I figure it will be useful to the democrats if they win in 24, making their business model illegal or problematic should do it with new media law and regulation to cover any up starts. This shit and more will be used in public hearings used to draft new laws, if the democrats win by enough. Getting rid of foxnews is more important than HR1 and voting rights, the republicans are completely dependent on the culture wars and foxnews is their source. Getting rid of them, HR1 and voting rights will level the playing field considerably and remove the republican's illegal and antidemocratic advantages including dark money. If they should stumble and fall in 24, then make sure you bury the fuckers.
Additional laws is a slippery slope for me, would much rather people just stop watching them. If you give the state that sort of authority it leaves it open to abuse if some nefarious force comes into power. This shouldn't even be an issue, but alas, aggressive ignorance is celebrated as a life choice here.

They know their audience though. It was very telling they were more concerned about competition from bizzaro world internet news companies than they were from legitimate news outlets.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Dominion v Fox settles: Fox admits to election lies; pays 3/4 of a billion dollars. Justice? Hardly

30,520 views Apr 18, 2023 #TeamJustice
As opening statements were about the begin in the defamation suit filed by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News, the parties reached a settlement. Fox agreed to pay $787.5 million for the defamatory lies Fox intentionally told about Dominion.

Does this represent justice? Hardly.
Additional laws is a slippery slope for me, would much rather people just stop watching them. If you give the state that sort of authority it leaves it open to abuse if some nefarious force comes into power. This shouldn't even be an issue, but alas, aggressive ignorance is celebrated as a life choice here.

They know their audience though. It was very telling they were more concerned about competition from bizzaro world internet news companies than they were from legitimate news outlets.
The problem is foxnews has been breaking existing laws and acting as a wing of the GOP and giving them tens of billions in free advertising over decades, they are not a news organization, they are one big ad for the republicans and have been for decades, they are in a conspiracy together to gain and hold power. Foxnews even made policy for the Trump administration FFS. They will need to hold J6 hearings before anything happens though, but first they gotta win. As for the slippery slope, foxnews slid down that long ago, other free countries regulate this shit, because there is only one reality, not two and a house divided cannot stand.
 

Fogdog

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While I briefly looked at Fox News...

Bill Barr joins group targeting progressive prosecutors: 'Enforce our law'
Former attorney general William Barr has joined the advisory board of Protecting Americans Action Fund, a group led by Republican Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares aimed at stopping "progressive prosecutors" and enforcing the rule of law.

"As the former U.S. Attorney General, I am proud to join Protecting Americans Action Fund because we need prosecutors who will enforce our laws, rather than criminal-friendly, progressive prosecutors who constantly fail victims and communities," Barr said in a statement, according to a report.

"Our judicial system was set up for prosecutors to prosecute, defense attorneys to defend, and a jury to decide the outcome," he said. "This organization will get us back on track by electing prosecutors who understand the duties of their position."

Miyares is the honorary chairman of the Protecting Americans Action Fund, an offshoot of the Republican-led organization GOPAC that seeks to get conservative prosecutors elected across the country through funding and other efforts, according to an ABC 8News.

Jessica Curtis, president of the Protecting Americans Action Fund and senior advisor for GOPAC, Inc., told 8News the organization gets behind "common-sense prosecutors who enforce the law and advocate for citizens around the country."

The report notes that while Protecting Americans Action Fund has helped campaigns and claims a 70% victory rate in the 2022 elections, GOPAC Chairman David Avelo, when the launch of the group was announced in 2022, didn’t rule out getting behind recall efforts to remove prosecutors from office.

8News said PAAF also announced former Texas Land Commissioner George P. Bush would be joining the advisory board. "With Barr and Bush, we will continue to elect conservative prosecutors who take their job of enforcing our laws seriously," Miyares said in a statement.

You know the type of people that will get prosecuted and who would be given a pass, don't you?
lol, Bill Barr, really? Everybody, right or left hate that guy. A scion of the Bushes and a disgraced former Trump toady DA is going to do what from its seat in Texas? Get some prosecutors elected? Republicans hate these guys. The Republican Party has no use for the law, they have MTG. This pathetic bit of news, coupled with Fox settling just moments before it had to undergo a corporation-ending trial with terms that forced it to admit publicly that it lied to its listeners, to me, strikes a death blow on the MAGA movement.

This is the end days of the radical right. A wounded and dying animal is kicking out and trying to do damage to the last. But this is just an act in spite. Their leader is a defendant in the first of many trials that will not be settled with an NDA. Their news source admits it's a contaminated source and were held accountable, even if it wasn't enough. Radicals won't win control in DC again. One by one their control among the states will wane. They are too extreme and out of touch with the growing multi ethnic, diverse society we have become. Our democracy is not yet safe but the only strategy left to them is to land a lucky blow.
 
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HGCC

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Dominion v Fox settles: Fox admits to election lies; pays 3/4 of a billion dollars. Justice? Hardly

30,520 views Apr 18, 2023 #TeamJustice
As opening statements were about the begin in the defamation suit filed by Dominion Voting Systems against Fox News, the parties reached a settlement. Fox agreed to pay $787.5 million for the defamatory lies Fox intentionally told about Dominion.

Does this represent justice? Hardly.

The problem is foxnews has been breaking existing laws and acting as a wing of the GOP and giving them tens of billions in free advertising over decades, they are not a news organization, they are one big ad for the republicans and have been for decades, they are in a conspiracy together to gain and hold power. Foxnews even made policy for the Trump administration FFS. They will need to hold J6 hearings before anything happens though, but first they gotta win. As for the slippery slope, foxnews slid down that long ago, other free countries regulate this shit, because there is only one reality, not two and a house divided cannot stand.
....oh no....I gotta do it....THEY SHOULD ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS...like one of the gun weirdos arguments.

I would point out that the highest level of law in the land (Supreme court) is viewed as broken and corrupt, and rightfully so as it is. The executive branch was corrupted, so was the senate and house. Creating a stronger apparatus can go both ways. While the intent is to limit lies and "news" organizations acting as a political mouthpiece, the who decides what a lie is aspect is troubling. Remember when trump said what you see and hear in the press isn't true? What if he could have just made that so, and as such illegal.

I don't have a good idea of what to actually do about the issue, but I don't think increasing the power of the state is it. Spend like 10 years to train up a bunch of teachers, get them into it in high-school and make it a rewarding and lucrative career to pursue (free college programs as well), then have them teach for like 20 years so we can get smarter citizens...then in 2050 my plan of people just realizing Fox is stupid and not worth watching will work!
 

Fogdog

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The money doesn't matter much, the win was going to be the trial and all the evidence being put in the public eye. It could have toppled them as an organization. They can make more money, this isn't really that much to them.
In retrospect, we were depending on a company to get justice FOR US for the harm FOX did to us, not them. I wasn't surprised when I read that a business settled with another business after they got everything they could to make the offended business whole. I was disappointed but not surprised.

I did a google search looking for any articles referencing what our government could about FOX's lies and came up empty. But why not? We now have an admission in court showing FOX admitting they lied. Also a shit ton of evidence has already been logged in the courts. They have been caught out making malicious lies that harmed Dominion AND the people of the US. There must be something that can be applied to them. There is not a 1A clause that protects malicious lies.

So, it might sound like a mouse squeak in a room of cats but I'm going to do the one thing that I can do right now, which is ask my senators to talk to the DOJ and FCC about what they can do to enforce justice on this subject. I'll make some noise the next time I'm asked by local Democratic Party officials what I want and ask them bring it up. It turns out that we can't depend on a business to look out for our interests, no surprise there, but maybe we aren't done yet.
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
lol, Bill Barr, really? Everybody, right or left hate that guy. A scion of the Bushes and a disgraced former Trump toady DA is going to do what from its seat in Texas? Get some prosecutors elected? Republicans hate these guys. The Republican Party has no use for the law, they have MTG. This pathetic bit of news, coupled with Fox settling just moments before it had to undergo a corporation-ending trial with terms that forced it to admit publicly that it lied to its listeners, to me, strikes a death blow on the MAGA movement.

This is the end days of the radical right. A wounded and dying animal is kicking out and trying to do damage during to the last. But this is just an act in spite. Their leader is a defendant in the first of many trials that will not be settled with an NDA. Their news source admits it's a contaminated source and were held accountable, even if it wasn't enough. Radicals won't win control in DC again. One by one their control among the states will wane. They are too extreme and out of touch with the growing multi ethnic, diverse society we have become. Our democracy is not yet safe but the only strategy left to them is to land a lucky blow.
from your touchscreen to God’s monitor
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
....oh no....I gotta do it....THEY SHOULD ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS...like one of the gun weirdos arguments.

I would point out that the highest level of law in the land (Supreme court) is viewed as broken and corrupt, and rightfully so as it is. The executive branch was corrupted, so was the senate and house. Creating a stronger apparatus can go both ways. While the intent is to limit lies and "news" organizations acting as a political mouthpiece, the who decides what a lie is aspect is troubling. Remember when trump said what you see and hear in the press isn't true? What if he could have just made that so, and as such illegal.

I don't have a good idea of what to actually do about the issue, but I don't think increasing the power of the state is it. Spend like 10 years to train up a bunch of teachers, get them into it in high-school and make it a rewarding and lucrative career to pursue (free college programs as well), then have them teach for like 20 years so we can get smarter citizens...then in 2050 my plan of people just realizing Fox is stupid and not worth watching will work!
to your last paragraph, the GOP agrees. It’s why they have been and are mounting a sustained attack on education. Education is a bucket of water to the Wicked Witch of the Right.
 

HGCC

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It was quite reasonable for them to take the settlement, they could have lost. You are correct, it wasn't their job to get justice for the public.

I do think suing for libel/slander needs to be more prevalent. It's all I can come up with. Fox has deep pockets, but you could probably sink the startups with litigation. Fox would be the prime target though, just a parade of lawsuits when they lie. Given that their business model is selling lies, welp, maybe it works itself out.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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....oh no....I gotta do it....THEY SHOULD ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS...like one of the gun weirdos arguments.

I would point out that the highest level of law in the land (Supreme court) is viewed as broken and corrupt, and rightfully so as it is. The executive branch was corrupted, so was the senate and house. Creating a stronger apparatus can go both ways. While the intent is to limit lies and "news" organizations acting as a political mouthpiece, the who decides what a lie is aspect is troubling. Remember when trump said what you see and hear in the press isn't true? What if he could have just made that so, and as such illegal.

I don't have a good idea of what to actually do about the issue, but I don't think increasing the power of the state is it. Spend like 10 years to train up a bunch of teachers, get them into it in high-school and make it a rewarding and lucrative career to pursue (free college programs as well), then have them teach for like 20 years so we can get smarter citizens...then in 2050 my plan of people just realizing Fox is stupid and not worth watching will work!
My main point isn't the lies, it is the unfair advantage that foxnews gives the republicans with billions in free advertising a year in addition to their lies which are designed to benefit the republicans. It is illegal to give unreported contributions even those of value not just cash. Foxnews is not a news network, it is a hostile information operation worse than anything the Russians tried and allied with them it appears. They and the republicans created and led a monster, but now the monster is leading them both to disaster.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It was quite reasonable for them to take the settlement, they could have lost. You are correct, it wasn't their job to get justice for the public.

I do think suing for libel/slander needs to be more prevalent. It's all I can come up with. Fox has deep pockets, but you could probably sink the startups with litigation. Fox would be the prime target though, just a parade of lawsuits when they lie. Given that their business model is selling lies, welp, maybe it works itself out.
This is not their only lawsuit. Tactically this might be brilliant. Now they can figuratively show up at track day in a new McLaren.
 

Fogdog

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My main point isn't the lies, it is the unfair advantage that foxnews gives the republicans with billions in free advertising a year in addition to their lies which are designed to benefit the republicans. It is illegal to give unreported contributions even those of value not just cash. Foxnews is not a news network, it is a hostile information operation worse than anything the Russians tried and allied with them it appears. They and the republicans created and led a monster, but now the monster is leading them both to disaster.
FOX is the tool of monsters.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This is not their only lawsuit. Tactically this might be brilliant. Now they can figuratively show up at track day in a new McLaren.
Now that they know foxnews will pay up, more will have a kick at the can using the evidence already uncovered as the thin edge of the wedge to get more info for their discovery. Where they will have foxnews by the balls is the fact, that like with Dominion, they are seeking to hide the information from their base and general public. So, it's not just the defamation they will pay for, they will pay to avoid a public trial and they will pay big time! It means quick money without endless appeals; they can basically extort them legally.
 
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