chemical synthesis

[2cimdma]

Oh yea and just to add on a bit. If your going to go through the trouble of buying safrole you might as well get the MDP2P. Its the fastest route(least amount of steps

 

[Khemi]

LSD, takes more than one person to make, a lot of skill, and decent lab chems and a decent lab setup. It is possible, but it's hard.

Thats not true at all.

Unless you plan on making manufacturing controlled substances your primary source of income, why bother spending all the money for the equipment and reagents? It's not worth it, no matter which you try to justify it. It would be incredibly stupid to risk that sort of a charge for a measly 30g of product. Which leads me to the topic of production synthesis. This would make more sense for someone to get in and get out. Kilogram cooks are done using NaBH4 in a chilled methanol solution with methylamine freebase in solution, a very cool reaction, and the way the big boys in Europe rock out. Are you going to be able to pull that off with no chemistry experience? No. Absolutely not. Not for years.

Realistically, if you can get safrole, with no chemistry experience, you may be able to achieve your goal utilizing a lesser yielding synthesis, Al/Hg, in a year with non stop studying and total dedication to learning lab technique. You could also enroll in college and do something with your life, which is probably the better road to go down. Can you really push a kilo a month without shitting where you live? If not, then it's simply not worth it.

 

[Khemi]

Distillation of safrole from sassafras is neither that easy or productive.

Distillation of safrole from sassafras is the easiest part of any of the process. And as far as it being productive, it's incredibly productive considering sassafras contains a very high concentration of safrole.

Extracting some deem from MHRB would be a good way for you to get introduced to the very basics of organic chemistry. Base, extract with non-polar solvent, evap/freeze out crystals, smoke. Holy Shit! The most colorful psychedelic known to man and a true tool for spiritual enlightenment.

Consider going to school for chemical technologies or something similar if you have a genuine interest in chemistry. Botanist/Chemist would be a sweet title.

 

[shepj]

Thats not true at all.

Unless you plan on making manufacturing controlled substances your primary source of income, why bother spending all the money for the equipment and reagents? It's not worth it, no matter which you try to justify it. It would be incredibly stupid to risk that sort of a charge for a measly 30g of product. Which leads me to the topic of production synthesis. This would make more sense for someone to get in and get out. Kilogram cooks are done using NaBH4 in a chilled methanol solution with methylamine freebase in solution, a very cool reaction, and the way the big boys in Europe rock out. Are you going to be able to pull that off with no chemistry experience? No. Absolutely not. Not for years.

Realistically, if you can get safrole, with no chemistry experience, you may be able to achieve your goal utilizing a lesser yielding synthesis, Al/Hg, in a year with non stop studying and total dedication to learning lab technique. You could also enroll in college and do something with your life, which is probably the better road to go down. Can you really push a kilo a month without shitting where you live? If not, then it's simply not worth it.

Yeah, I think there is also a synthesis with CuCl2.. but I think the Al/Hg comes into action somewhere down the line there. And, actually, unless you are someone like shulgin it generally takes a minimum of a two to three person team to do an efficient synthesis of LSD.. and are you calling 30g's of LSD measely? A drug measured in ug's?

 

[gogrow]

Yeah, I think there is also a synthesis with CuCl2.. but I think the Al/Hg comes into action somewhere down the line there. And, actually, unless you are someone like shulgin it generally takes a minimum of a two to three person team to do an efficient synthesis of LSD.. and are you calling 30g's of LSD measely? A drug measured in ug's?

i was thinking the same thing.... 30g's would be more than enough to justify whatever was involved

 

[shepj]

My area roughly 50 ug hits go for $10 a piece.

There are 1,000,000 ug in 1 g.

Hence, there are 30,000,000 ug in 30 g's.

That means 600,000 hits @ 50 ug each.

Making a grand total of around... *drum roll*
$6,000,000.

 

[Khemi]

and are you calling 30g's of LSD measely? A drug measured in ug's?

I am calling 30g of MDMA measly because MDMA is what we were talking about. He will never be able to make LSD without taking some chemistry classes so it's a non issue.

Making a grand total of around... *drum roll* $6,000,000.

And that would take you 12.3 lifetimes @ 10.00 a hit.

 

[Khemi]

Yeah, I think there is also a synthesis with CuCl2

Yes, this is a wacker oxidation of safrole to mdp2p. It uses paladium as a catalyst, which is expensive. It allows you the edge of not seeking out p-benzoquine which is harder to come by these days. However you can make your own, using commonly found benoquinone. This is nasty shit though, little tiny particles that burn the hell out of your senses if your not careful. If someone followed the method utilizing CuCl2 instead of p-benzoquinone it would be of suggestion to look into purchasing a small carboy of good structural integrity so you are able to compress the vessel without fear of blowing your mother fuckin head off.

Or you can get an education and do something helpful for society. Maybe donate some time at a food pantry?

 

[gogrow]

I am calling 30g of MDMA measly because MDMA is what we were talking about. He will never be able to make LSD without taking some chemistry classes so it's a non issue. And that would take you 12.3 lifetimes @ 10.00 a hit.

who said i'm never gonna take some classes??? im young, highly intelligent, and am entirely capable of getting back into college

 

[ESStlyes]

^take some classes or find a friend that could teach you would be your best bet. Its kind like culinary arts. Anybody is capable of synthesizing most chems but most don't know how. Like some people do not know how to cook rice till they are told how easy it is. Same kinda thing.

 

[gogrow]

^take some classes or find a friend that could teach you would be your best bet. Its kind like culinary arts. Anybody is capable of synthesizing most chems but most don't know how. Like some people do not know how to cook rice till they are told how easy it is. Same kinda thing.

this is what i was saying in the beginning of this thread.... i dont see a need to know WHAT im doing as long as i know HOW to do it; sure it would be helpful, but in theory, one should be able to pull it off.

 

[bigtittymilf]

forgot bout naptha i was just making the point that you dont need m,uch to extract dmt i wasnt like trying to list everything

 

[shepj]

I am calling 30g of MDMA measly because MDMA is what we were talking about. He will never be able to make LSD without taking some chemistry classes so it's a non issue. And that would take you 12.3 lifetimes @ 10.00 a hit.

If someone were to synthesize LSD, it would be for resale, no? Yeah.. 30g's of MDMA isn't too much.. but it is enough. When you're looking at a common dosage of 100 mg (MDMA), that's still 300 trips worth.. shit's expensive in my area too, looking at roughly $6,000-$7,500 worth. But I agree, someone without ungodly amazing experience is going to pull a LSD synthesis out of their ass. Hah, if you've no chemistry experience make meth . J/k.

 

[shepj]

forgot bout naptha i was just making the point that you dont need m,uch to extract dmt i wasnt like trying to list everything

I was just being a pain in the ass.

 

[ESStlyes]

You should start small and do a simple A/B extraction of DMT. Perfect it then move on to a harder process such a Mescaline. Perfect that, then move on to another.......get it? Take baby steps and enjoy/cherish the knowledge you learn along the way!

 

[Khemi]

If someone were to synthesize LSD, it would be for resale, no?

Considering the potency of lsd, any synthesis, even on a micro scale will yield more than enough for one person. If your going to sell it that speaks on your personality, morales, and beliefs. Personally, if I made LSD it would not be sold, but if you pissed me off enough you would get a few thousand hits for free.

 

[hom36rown]

And what exactly would it say about his personality? I think if you would give someone 1000 hits of lsd just because they made you angry speaks volumes about your personality.

 

[gogrow]

Considering the potency of lsd, any synthesis, even on a micro scale will yield more than enough for one person. If your going to sell it that speaks on your personality, morales, and beliefs. Personally, if I made LSD it would not be sold, but if you pissed me off enough you would get a few thousand hits for free.

if you made acid, you would have to sell some of it..... i dont see someone sitting on 100,000 hits; why the hell not sell what you dont need?? what does that say bout my character except that i have no need for those quantities of lsd??

 

[hom36rown]

I wouldnt mind having a lifetime supply of acid

 

[shepj]

No I wouldn't mind a limited supply.. You want to bring in morals? You're making an illegal drug.. but selling it is bad? lol.