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DIY-HP-LED
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Accuracy is an issue for them when they fire those unguided rockets, and the Ukrainians could deploy something with a longer reach to ambush them. They have been getting a lot of AA support from the allies and could redeploy some from the cities and power grid protection, more systems are arriving every week too. F16s would fix the issue pretty fast, but we are not there yet, in war ya go with what ya got, not what ya want. I think Ukraine needs to isolate Crimea and southwestern Ukraine before the fall rains, so they need to divide them in the south and blow the Kerch bridge by winter.Sure, and the helicopters are launching missiles from past the distance of manpads and there is not a lot of
Ka-52 Alligator: The Russian helicopter slowing Ukraine’s counteroffensive in the south
“These are devices that can fly very low, between 50 and 100 meters, which makes them practically undetectable for the Ukrainians,” says analyst Guillermo Pulido of Ejércitos magazine. “Given Russia’s air superiority, Ukraine cannot shoot them down with its aircraft or its low-level anti-aircraft defenses; moreover, [Kyiv’s] combat helicopters are much more rudimentary,” adds the specialist, who adds that some Ka-52 models are equipped with devices to deflect missiles launched against them. “The Ka-52 is, in principle, practically immune to any weapon the Ukrainians might employ against it; it can fire rockets from much longer distances than the Stinger anti-aircraft missiles the Ukrainians have, so it is feasible that it would be a good weapon to stop the counteroffensive.”
However, since the Russian invasion of Ukraine was launched in February 2022, Moscow has lost about 40 such aircraft. At the same time, these helicopters, according to British intelligence, have wreaked a heavy cost on Ukrainian forces in terms of casualties and material damage. In recent months Moscow has deployed a new model, the Ka-52M, developed after the Syrian war, according to the British Ministry of Defense, which incorporates improvements suggested by the Russian Air Force during that campaign.
Ka-52 Alligator: The Russian helicopter slowing Ukraine’s counteroffensive in the south
The latest model of the attack aircraft, which has been deployed amid heavy fighting in the Zaporizhzhia region, has been upgraded with weapons capable of evading anti-missile defensesenglish.elpais.com
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Perhaps the Russian “V-2” campaign against the cities is only incidentally an assault on national Ukrainian morale.
What makes sense to me now is that the Russians are tying antiair assets up far from the front, improving the battle lifetime of the Ka-52s.
Some fighters might do the Ukrainian forces a great deal of good about now.
What makes sense to me now is that the Russians are tying antiair assets up far from the front, improving the battle lifetime of the Ka-52s.
Some fighters might do the Ukrainian forces a great deal of good about now.
printer
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Take off your rosy glasses and actually read what is said about them.
Attack helicopters are giving Russia the edge in the skies over southern Ukraine, says UK intel
A new intelligence briefing has announced that Russia's use of attack helicopters has allowed Putin's forces to gain an advantage in the long-awaited Ukrainian counteroffensive.
According to the latest UK Ministry of Defence briefing, Russian troops have reinforced its attack helicopter forces, allowing them to gain "a temporary advantage in southern Ukraine, especially with attack helicopters employing longer-range missiles against ground targets."
Per the briefing, new imagery depicts "over 20 extra Russian helicopters deployed to Berdyansk Airport, approximately 100km behind the front line."
Of all the Russian Air Force's attack helicopters, the Ka-52 is perhaps the most widely used. Russia is believed to have a force of 133 as of 2022.
The Ka-52 can be armed with 4,000 pounds of rockets, missiles, and a 30 mm autocannon. Some variants also have a nose-mounted forward-looking infrared camera for targeting.
Attack helicopters are giving Russia the edge in the skies over southern Ukraine, says UK intel
The Ministry of Defence has found that Russia's use of attack helicopters has given Putin's forces "a temporary advantage" in the counteroffensive.
www.businessinsider.com
Ka-52 Alligator ‘Mauls’ Ukrainian Military, Punctures Its Counteroffensive; Kyiv Fights For Fighting Falcons To Break The Impasse
Ukrainian columns were confronted with unanticipated and unpleasant surprises that included well-laid-out minefields, Russian remote mining equipment, and the use of the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopter.
In this analysis, we will focus on the role of the Ka-52M, the latest variant of the Alligator.
As observed in numerous videos posted on social media daily, the Alligators have been skillfully destroying advancing Ukrainian armor day and night in all weather.
They operate safely from outside the MANPAD range of advancing Ukrainian columns; they are protected from attacks by Ukrainian fighters by Russian Aerospace Forces (RuAF) Su-35S and Su-30MS fighters, armed with long-range RVV-BD missiles, flying over the battlefront 24×7.
The burnt wreckages of Ukrainian armored vehicles that litter the battlefield have forced Ukrainian officials, who are usually in denial, to voice concerns about the lethality of the Ka-52.
Ukrainian officials have even chided Western nations for not adequately arming Ukrainian forces. Ukraine’s pitch to NATO and the EU for the supply of F-16 fighters has become even more strident.
Some Ukrainian officials have even confirmed that Ukrainian pilots have started F-16 training in an unnamed EU nation. Ukrainian officials feel that with the F-16 in UAF inventory, the Ka-52 could not maul Ukrainian forces with the impunity it now displays.
In brief, the Ka-52’s outstanding performance can be attributed to the combination of long-range sensors and long-range attack missiles. Together, they enable a Ka-52 to engage Ukrainian armor without entering the range of MANPADS.
The fact that the Ka-52s operate without fear of being shot down by a Ukrainian fighter adds to the lethality of the helicopter.
Russia’s echeloned IADS – S-300, Buk-M3, Pantsir – prevent Ukrainian fighters from attacking Ka-52 helicopters from medium altitude, and Russian Su-35S and Su-30SM fighters prevent low-flying MiG-29 and Su-27 from approaching the battlefront.
The F-16 has capable radar and can carry long-range air-to-air missiles (such as AMRAAM) that can effectively leverage the radar’s long detection and tracking range.
Besides long-range weapons, the F-16 has better range and payload capability than UAF MiG-29s, allowing the F-16S to operate from deep within Ukraine, from air bases in West and Central Ukraine. Western air defense systems protect the airspace over West and Central Ukraine well. As a result, Russia will not be able to strike Ukrainian F-16 bases as effectively as it can strike MiG-29 air bases closer to the battlefront.
Equipped with long-range AMRAAM missiles, F-16s would threaten Ka-52 operations. Flying a low-hi-lo profile, Ukrainian Air Force (UAF) F-16s would be able to evade detection by Russian long-range AD systems, zoom up, acquire and attack a Ka-52 from medium altitude with AMRAAM, and then return to base at low altitudes. They could challenge Russian fighters flying air dominance patrols using various other tactics.
To restrict the challenges posed by UAF F-16s, Russia would need to strike F-16 bases deep in Ukraine’s interiors with long-range missiles.
Attacking F-16s parked on the ground at their home base is not viable since the aircraft are widely dispersed and often parked in hardened shelters. Cratering the runway with bombs or missiles is wasteful since such damage is quickly patched using rapid hardening concrete.
Russia will likely use a tactic that it has honed to limit the damage from Storm Shadow attacks by Ukrainian Su-24MR fighter bombers – destroy the facilities used to store the dangerous ammunition carried by aircraft.
Russia has periodically struck Ukrainian air bases to destroy Western-supplied air-to-ground ammunition such as Storm Shadow cruise missiles and HARM anti-radar missiles.
Most recently, on the night of June 26, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a long-range maritime and airborne high-precision strike at foreign-made ammunition sent to Ukraine by Western countries.
“The goal of the strike has been achieved. All the assigned targets have been engaged,” said RuMoD.
On the night of June 23, Russia launched a long-range precision-guided group attack on radio engineering reconnaissance centers and aviation equipment of the AFU close to Kanatovo airfield (Kirovograd region) and Dnepr airfield.
The Kanatove reserve air base is used for Su-24MR operations, and the Dnepr airfield, a forward airbase of the 40th Tactical Aviation Brigade based at Vasylkiv, Kyiv Oblast, supports MiG-29 operations. Storm Shadow and HARM missile storage facilities were likely targeted.
Following the June 23 attack, RuMoD released a statement saying, “On June 23, a storage of Storm Shadow cruise missiles has been destroyed at a Ukrainian airbase close to Starokonstantinov (Khmelnytskyi region), in response to a strike on a road bridge across the Chongar Strait.”
Interestingly, no Storm Shadow launches have been reported since June 23.
On May 29, 2023, Russia struck the Viysk Airfield near the Khmelnytskyi, the home base of the 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade flying Sukhoi Su-24 MR, the launch platform for Storm Shadows. Following the strike, Ukrainian officials acknowledged that five aircraft and fuel & ammunition depots were put out of action.
Ukraine’s Storm Shadow launches had remained subdued for several days following the strike.
Russia has lately been limiting the use of its Kinzhal and Iskander missiles. These missiles can destroy hardened underground targets. Russia uses them to take out ammunition dumps where the Ukrainian Air Force stores Western missiles and bombs.
F-16 operations need specialized dust-proof, climate-regulated maintenance bays with expensive electronic equipment for fault diagnosis and rectification. The availability of such equipment is likely to be limited. Once destroyed, it would take some time to replace such equipment. The RuAF will likely target F-16 maintenance bays besides targeting F-16 missile underground storage facilities.
As things stand, RuAF air dominance over the battlefront and the demonstrated lethality of the Ka-52 helicopter will continue to pose severe challenges to the success of any Ukrainian counter-offensive.
Ka-52 Alligator ‘Mauls’ Ukrainian Military, Punctures Its Counteroffensive; Kyiv Fights For Fighting Falcons To Break The Impasse
The Ukrainian counter-offensive, which started on June 4 with probing attacks, faltered rather quickly due to the outstanding planning and performance of Russian forces. MUST READ: Ukraine’s ‘Cheap’ Missile Outperforms World’s Best S-400 Systems In Warzone, Wreaks Havoc On Russian Warplanes...
www.eurasiantimes.com
DIY-HP-LED
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They have the means to counter them, it's a question of redeploying AA assets, which is probably why they are continuing to go after Ukrainian cities, to thin out their AA defense. I figure the Ukrainians will find a way around this, by probably setting an ambush with longer range AA systems or even deploying their own mig fighters because F16s will be on the way. I'm pretty sure they won't give up their offensive but will attack where the helicopters are based with missiles and drones among other measures.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would not trust EurAsian Times. They’re very pro-Russian. The Canadian component is camouflage.Take off your rosy glasses and actually read what is said about them.
Attack helicopters are giving Russia the edge in the skies over southern Ukraine, says UK intel
A new intelligence briefing has announced that Russia's use of attack helicopters has allowed Putin's forces to gain an advantage in the long-awaited Ukrainian counteroffensive.
According to the latest UK Ministry of Defence briefing, Russian troops have reinforced its attack helicopter forces, allowing them to gain "a temporary advantage in southern Ukraine, especially with attack helicopters employing longer-range missiles against ground targets."
Per the briefing, new imagery depicts "over 20 extra Russian helicopters deployed to Berdyansk Airport, approximately 100km behind the front line."
Of all the Russian Air Force's attack helicopters, the Ka-52 is perhaps the most widely used. Russia is believed to have a force of 133 as of 2022.
The Ka-52 can be armed with 4,000 pounds of rockets, missiles, and a 30 mm autocannon. Some variants also have a nose-mounted forward-looking infrared camera for targeting.
Attack helicopters are giving Russia the edge in the skies over southern Ukraine, says UK intel
The Ministry of Defence has found that Russia's use of attack helicopters has given Putin's forces "a temporary advantage" in the counteroffensive.
Ka-52 Alligator ‘Mauls’ Ukrainian Military, Punctures Its Counteroffensive; Kyiv Fights For Fighting Falcons To Break The Impasse
Ukrainian columns were confronted with unanticipated and unpleasant surprises that included well-laid-out minefields, Russian remote mining equipment, and the use of the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopter.
In this analysis, we will focus on the role of the Ka-52M, the latest variant of the Alligator.
As observed in numerous videos posted on social media daily, the Alligators have been skillfully destroying advancing Ukrainian armor day and night in all weather.
They operate safely from outside the MANPAD range of advancing Ukrainian columns; they are protected from attacks by Ukrainian fighters by Russian Aerospace Forces (RuAF) Su-35S and Su-30MS fighters, armed with long-range RVV-BD missiles, flying over the battlefront 24×7.
The burnt wreckages of Ukrainian armored vehicles that litter the battlefield have forced Ukrainian officials, who are usually in denial, to voice concerns about the lethality of the Ka-52.
Ukrainian officials have even chided Western nations for not adequately arming Ukrainian forces. Ukraine’s pitch to NATO and the EU for the supply of F-16 fighters has become even more strident.
Some Ukrainian officials have even confirmed that Ukrainian pilots have started F-16 training in an unnamed EU nation. Ukrainian officials feel that with the F-16 in UAF inventory, the Ka-52 could not maul Ukrainian forces with the impunity it now displays.
In brief, the Ka-52’s outstanding performance can be attributed to the combination of long-range sensors and long-range attack missiles. Together, they enable a Ka-52 to engage Ukrainian armor without entering the range of MANPADS.
The fact that the Ka-52s operate without fear of being shot down by a Ukrainian fighter adds to the lethality of the helicopter.
Russia’s echeloned IADS – S-300, Buk-M3, Pantsir – prevent Ukrainian fighters from attacking Ka-52 helicopters from medium altitude, and Russian Su-35S and Su-30SM fighters prevent low-flying MiG-29 and Su-27 from approaching the battlefront.
The F-16 has capable radar and can carry long-range air-to-air missiles (such as AMRAAM) that can effectively leverage the radar’s long detection and tracking range.
Besides long-range weapons, the F-16 has better range and payload capability than UAF MiG-29s, allowing the F-16S to operate from deep within Ukraine, from air bases in West and Central Ukraine. Western air defense systems protect the airspace over West and Central Ukraine well. As a result, Russia will not be able to strike Ukrainian F-16 bases as effectively as it can strike MiG-29 air bases closer to the battlefront.
Equipped with long-range AMRAAM missiles, F-16s would threaten Ka-52 operations. Flying a low-hi-lo profile, Ukrainian Air Force (UAF) F-16s would be able to evade detection by Russian long-range AD systems, zoom up, acquire and attack a Ka-52 from medium altitude with AMRAAM, and then return to base at low altitudes. They could challenge Russian fighters flying air dominance patrols using various other tactics.
To restrict the challenges posed by UAF F-16s, Russia would need to strike F-16 bases deep in Ukraine’s interiors with long-range missiles.
Attacking F-16s parked on the ground at their home base is not viable since the aircraft are widely dispersed and often parked in hardened shelters. Cratering the runway with bombs or missiles is wasteful since such damage is quickly patched using rapid hardening concrete.
Russia will likely use a tactic that it has honed to limit the damage from Storm Shadow attacks by Ukrainian Su-24MR fighter bombers – destroy the facilities used to store the dangerous ammunition carried by aircraft.
Russia has periodically struck Ukrainian air bases to destroy Western-supplied air-to-ground ammunition such as Storm Shadow cruise missiles and HARM anti-radar missiles.
Most recently, on the night of June 26, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation launched a long-range maritime and airborne high-precision strike at foreign-made ammunition sent to Ukraine by Western countries.
“The goal of the strike has been achieved. All the assigned targets have been engaged,” said RuMoD.
On the night of June 23, Russia launched a long-range precision-guided group attack on radio engineering reconnaissance centers and aviation equipment of the AFU close to Kanatovo airfield (Kirovograd region) and Dnepr airfield.
The Kanatove reserve air base is used for Su-24MR operations, and the Dnepr airfield, a forward airbase of the 40th Tactical Aviation Brigade based at Vasylkiv, Kyiv Oblast, supports MiG-29 operations. Storm Shadow and HARM missile storage facilities were likely targeted.
Following the June 23 attack, RuMoD released a statement saying, “On June 23, a storage of Storm Shadow cruise missiles has been destroyed at a Ukrainian airbase close to Starokonstantinov (Khmelnytskyi region), in response to a strike on a road bridge across the Chongar Strait.”
Interestingly, no Storm Shadow launches have been reported since June 23.
On May 29, 2023, Russia struck the Viysk Airfield near the Khmelnytskyi, the home base of the 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade flying Sukhoi Su-24 MR, the launch platform for Storm Shadows. Following the strike, Ukrainian officials acknowledged that five aircraft and fuel & ammunition depots were put out of action.
Ukraine’s Storm Shadow launches had remained subdued for several days following the strike.
Russia has lately been limiting the use of its Kinzhal and Iskander missiles. These missiles can destroy hardened underground targets. Russia uses them to take out ammunition dumps where the Ukrainian Air Force stores Western missiles and bombs.
F-16 operations need specialized dust-proof, climate-regulated maintenance bays with expensive electronic equipment for fault diagnosis and rectification. The availability of such equipment is likely to be limited. Once destroyed, it would take some time to replace such equipment. The RuAF will likely target F-16 maintenance bays besides targeting F-16 missile underground storage facilities.
As things stand, RuAF air dominance over the battlefront and the demonstrated lethality of the Ka-52 helicopter will continue to pose severe challenges to the success of any Ukrainian counter-offensive.
Ka-52 Alligator ‘Mauls’ Ukrainian Military, Punctures Its Counteroffensive; Kyiv Fights For Fighting Falcons To Break The Impasse
The Ukrainian counter-offensive, which started on June 4 with probing attacks, faltered rather quickly due to the outstanding planning and performance of Russian forces. MUST READ: Ukraine’s ‘Cheap’ Missile Outperforms World’s Best S-400 Systems In Warzone, Wreaks Havoc On Russian Warplanes...
That said, from the bits I gather, the Ka-52s are giving Ukraine a fair bit of grief.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
They have not yet begun the pilot training, and they estimate the abbreviated course will consume four to five months. Much can happen in that time, and the current Ukrainian offensive will probably be over by then, one way or the other.
F-16 questions remain as Ukrainian pilots set to start training this month | CNN Politics
The US is still waiting for European officials to submit a final plan for training Ukrainian pilots on F-16 fighter jets, which the US will have to authorize before the program can actually begin, officials familiar with the matter told CNN.
doublejj
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Ukraine invites F-16 pilots to join its International Legion
“If there are pilots who know how to fly the F-16 and are ready to take part (in the war), the foreign legion is ready to open their doors,” Reznikov said during a briefing.
www.yahoo.com
“If there are pilots who know how to fly the F-16 and are ready to take part (in the war), the foreign legion is ready to open their doors,” Reznikov said during a briefing.
Ukraine invites F-16 pilots to join its International Legion
Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov invited foreign pilots with experience of flying F-16 fighter jets to join Ukraine’s International Legion, Media Center Ukraine reported on April 10.
doublejj
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There are 1000's of trained F16 pilots all over the globe. There should be enough foreign volunteer's to get things started for Ukraine. All they need are the planes...
More than 3,000 F-16s are operating today in 25 countries. The F-16 has flown an estimated 19.5 million flight hours and at least 13 million sorties.
More than 3,000 F-16s are operating today in 25 countries. The F-16 has flown an estimated 19.5 million flight hours and at least 13 million sorties.
printer
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I did not want to look for other articles, it was convenient. But if they would have said things that I did not read or hear other places I would not have taken it at face value.
printer
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And the task would be to sit far enough away from enemy lines and paint the airspace with its advanced radar. On the foolish action of a Russian pilot, fire off a missile.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
For some reason Google pushes their articles my way. Since the war started, their articles have consistently lionized Russian airframes and disparaged US/Nato hardware and doctrine.
Info on them is pretty hard to find, at least via Google whose search algorithm appears to have seriously degraded over the last two years, at least for iOS.
printer
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I have been using DuckDuckGo lately. There are times it is not bringing up results that I think could be out there and I switch to Google. You would think Google would be years better than it was ten years ago, hah.
Dr.Amber Trichome
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I hear ads down here offering $50,000 sign on bonuses to join . The youngens today just ain’t interested. Times they have changed.Ukraine invites F-16 pilots to join its International Legion
“If there are pilots who know how to fly the F-16 and are ready to take part (in the war), the foreign legion is ready to open their doors,” Reznikov said during a briefing.
Ukraine invites F-16 pilots to join its International Legion
Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov invited foreign pilots with experience of flying F-16 fighter jets to join Ukraine’s International Legion, Media Center Ukraine reported on April 10.
doublejj
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23 May 2023.......
Ukraine Pilots Already Training on F-16 in EU Countries
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doublejj
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The Best F-16 US Pilot Agreed Fight For Ukraine......
The best US F-16 fighter pilot, retired Lieutenant Colonel Dan Hampton, said he was ready to defend Ukraine
“Ukraine is fighting against Russia. This is a black and white conflict - good versus evil, there are no questions about who is right and who is wrong ... I will even go myself, I will become number one, you can count on me,” the pilot said in an interview
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The best US F-16 fighter pilot, retired Lieutenant Colonel Dan Hampton, said he was ready to defend Ukraine
“Ukraine is fighting against Russia. This is a black and white conflict - good versus evil, there are no questions about who is right and who is wrong ... I will even go myself, I will become number one, you can count on me,” the pilot said in an interview
The Best F-16 US Pilot Agreed Fight For Ukraine
Lieutenant Colonel Dan Hampton intends to change the course of hostilities.
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Dr.Amber Trichome
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Are they going to be bombing Russia ? What is the intent?The Best F-16 US Pilot Agreed Fight For Ukraine......
The best US F-16 fighter pilot, retired Lieutenant Colonel Dan Hampton, said he was ready to defend Ukraine
“Ukraine is fighting against Russia. This is a black and white conflict - good versus evil, there are no questions about who is right and who is wrong ... I will even go myself, I will become number one, you can count on me,” the pilot said in an interview
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The Best F-16 US Pilot Agreed Fight For Ukraine
Lieutenant Colonel Dan Hampton intends to change the course of hostilities.
doublejj
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At this point there's plenty of Russians in Ukraine that need bombing....The intent is to stop the Russian invaders
Dr.Amber Trichome
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So they are going to be bombing their land. Is this ever going to end? Shouldn’t they be bombing the Russians in Russia before they leave Russia ?
doublejj
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It will end when Russia leaves Ukraine....
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned war is coming back to Russia after a drone attack on the capital Moscow.
Zelensky after Moscow drone attack: War coming back to Russia
Ukraine's president speaks of an inevitable process, hours after buildings were hit in the Russian capital.
www.bbc.com