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DIY-HP-LED

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@DIY-HP-LED , just curious why you'd post shit from that Bexte guy? He doesn't deserve any space here.
I just posted the tweet without reading the article or noticing the source, the headline seemed to correct, but it was a spun article. I knew it was coming and it was the first mention of it I ran across. Sorry for the nut post.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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DIY-HP-LED

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James Moore on how Canada views a Trump-led America | The Warning Podcast with Steve Schmidt

3,281 views Oct 2, 2023 The Warning Podcast
Former Canadian Cabinet Minister James Moore joins Steve to discuss the differences between American and Canadian politics and how Canadians view the USA post-Trump presidency.
 

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James Moore on how Canada views a Trump-led America | The Warning Podcast with Steve Schmidt

3,281 views Oct 2, 2023 The Warning Podcast
Former Canadian Cabinet Minister James Moore joins Steve to discuss the differences between American and Canadian politics and how Canadians view the USA post-Trump presidency.
A few things I could take exception with what he says. He if filtering things through the Conservative lens. One thing he does not say about why Canadian politics is not so crazy as the US is of our news organizations. A politician spewing BS will get called out here because the news organization will be seen as a joke if they do not.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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He better be able to prove his accusations…..
He did and had the receipts. If these guys were extradited, they would be prosecuted for murder and terrorism in Canada. This is state sponsored terrorism, and you should see what the Americans do about that, America is onboard. We want good relations and an alliance with India, they don't need to be perfect, but they can't do this shit on Canadian soil to Canadian citizens.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A few things I could take exception with what he says. He if filtering things through the Conservative lens. One thing he does not say about why Canadian politics is not so crazy as the US is of our news organizations. A politician spewing BS will get called out here because the news organization will be seen as a joke if they do not.
I don't agree with him ideologically and he is a Tory who says nice things about Peepee, but he has a clear head and is committed to liberal democracy, let's hope he isn't disappointed like American conservatives. I was no fan of Harper either, but conservatives have an uncomfortable tendency to drift too far to the right and go authoritarian trying to cling to power. Parties can kick dumb asses out, but not when one leads the party, I just hope Peepee got over wanting to convert the economy to crypto and inviting Elon in for a talk about economic policy! Peepee got a makeover and contacts to look "cool", but he often finds himself in photos with Nazis and other assorted lunatics.
 

CANON_Grow

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He better be able to prove his accusations…..
Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Tuesday he received an intelligence briefing about allegations that the Indian government could be behind the killing of a Sikh gurdwara leader in B.C.

“I can confirm what the prime minister has shared publicly, that there is clear intelligence that Canada has that lays out the following case that a Canadian citizen was killed on Canadian soil and a foreign government was involved,” Singh told reporters in Ottawa on Tuesday.

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In an interview with CTV’s Question Period that aired on Sunday, David Cohen, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, confirmed “there was shared intelligence among Five Eyes partners that helped lead Canada to making the statements that the prime minister made.”

In June, Indian Foreign Minster Subrahmanyam Jaishankar warned that New Delhi is very concerned there are “activities which are permitted from Canada which impinge on our sovereignty, territorial integrity, on our security.”

HOW DOES IT IMPACT INDIAN-CANADIAN RELATIONS?
Indian diplomats based in Canada have on numerous occasions said that Ottawa's failure to tackle "Sikh extremism", and the constant harassment of Indian diplomats and officials by Khalistanis, is a major foreign policy stress point.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi raised strong concerns about Sikh protests in Canada with Trudeau on the sidelines of a G20 summit in New Delhi this month.


So the leader of the NDP has agreed that there is clear intelligence that Canada has...
And the U.S. ambassador confirmed there was shared intelligence that helped lead Canada to making the statements...
And India warned there are activities which are permitted in Canada that they are not okay with...
And India has made clear that Canada is not doing enough against Sikh protests...

I understand if someone has an issue with JT for a variety of reasons, but for letting the country know that there is credible evidence that India killed a Canadian citizen, in Canada? I doubt that opinion will age well.
 

Dorian2

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I'm fine with keeping the details under wraps as far as 5 eyes are concerned. I also cannot agree with another nation taking matters into their own hands on our soil. What I do have an issue with is the idea that our nation may be harboring a terrorist organization (to another country) on our soil and possibly providing refuge on our sovereign soil. I'm not too impressed with the lack of info on this, and many Canadians are left with the idea of possible political influence as far as Jagmeet Singh is concerned.

Keep in mind this is off the top of my head and I'm totally ignorant, like many(most?) Canadians are, of Indian religious and political issues. A little bit of clarity would be kinda nice IMO, and the current government aren't providing it to us.
 

CANON_Grow

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I'm fine with keeping the details under wraps as far as 5 eyes are concerned. I also cannot agree with another nation taking matters into their own hands on our soil. What I do have an issue with is the idea that our nation may be harboring a terrorist organization (to another country) on our soil and possibly providing refuge on our sovereign soil. I'm not too impressed with the lack of info on this, and many Canadians are left with the idea of possible political influence as far as Jagmeet Singh is concerned.

Keep in mind this is off the top of my head and I'm totally ignorant, like many(most?) Canadians are, of Indian religious and political issues. A little bit of clarity would be kinda nice IMO, and the current government aren't providing it to us.
Every Canadian citizen is protected under The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. There are times when it would be easier for the government to ignore those rights, but that's exactly why it's there. If India has evidence of activities(of a Canadian citizen in Canada) that are not protected under the charter, they are well within their rights to provide that evidence and go through the legal process the same way the Canadian government would.

About the Anti-terrorism Act for reference:

Just because another country declares something a "terrorist activity" or a "terrorist organization" does not make it so. A Canadian citizen is allowed to express their religion and PEACEFULLY protest for land of their own. India disagrees, they openly discuss it:

"We have seen media reports about comments by PM Trudeau… the issue is not about freedom of expression but its misuse for advocating violence, propagating separatism and legitimising terrorism," Bagchi told reporters.

It is understandable how anyone could be concerned with Jagmeet Singh being impartial, but it is not just him agreeing there is credible evidence that this was India. There was no skepticism with Michael Chong being impartial and speaking about Chinese interference and I'm not sure what that speaks to (this is not directed at anyone, just an observation). The government has said what they can, there is credible evidence it was India, there is a criminal investigation ongoing so not much more can be revealed yet; multiple people with different political affiliations have confirmed there is evidence/intelligence that implicates India.

India has denied involvement, but are keen to point out he was a "terrorist" in their view.

Occam's razor.
 

Dorian2

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Thank you for the articulate and well worded explanation Canon. To my point, it sure would be nice if the leader(s) of our nation could do the same.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Every Canadian citizen is protected under The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. There are times when it would be easier for the government to ignore those rights, but that's exactly why it's there. If India has evidence of activities(of a Canadian citizen in Canada) that are not protected under the charter, they are well within their rights to provide that evidence and go through the legal process the same way the Canadian government would.

About the Anti-terrorism Act for reference:

Just because another country declares something a "terrorist activity" or a "terrorist organization" does not make it so. A Canadian citizen is allowed to express their religion and PEACEFULLY protest for land of their own. India disagrees, they openly discuss it:

"We have seen media reports about comments by PM Trudeau… the issue is not about freedom of expression but its misuse for advocating violence, propagating separatism and legitimising terrorism," Bagchi told reporters.

It is understandable how anyone could be concerned with Jagmeet Singh being impartial, but it is not just him agreeing there is credible evidence that this was India. There was no skepticism with Michael Chong being impartial and speaking about Chinese interference and I'm not sure what that speaks to (this is not directed at anyone, just an observation). The government has said what they can, there is credible evidence it was India, there is a criminal investigation ongoing so not much more can be revealed yet; multiple people with different political affiliations have confirmed there is evidence/intelligence that implicates India.

India has denied involvement, but are keen to point out he was a "terrorist" in their view.

Occam's razor.
India has engaged in authoritarian practices and Modi rides on a wave of corrupt religious bigotry just like Trump does and it's not just one religious minority being persecuted, but all non-Hindu ones. The problems with India for everybody began when these protofascists came to power. Now they are behaving like Russia and China in defiance of international law and crossing lines they should not cross, driven by the extremists in their party, sound familiar? We cannot have them setting up their own "police" stations, threatening or murdering Canadians in Canada, no country that lives under the rule of law would tolerate that.
 

CANON_Grow

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Thank you for the articulate and well worded explanation Canon. To my point, it sure would be nice if the leader(s) of our nation could do the same.
I share your frustration in there not being more clarity of the situation. The one thing I hope the government learns from this, and JT in particular, is there are times when we need to support allies by speaking out on certain issues, but we also need to understand that we are an easy target and our allies aren't going to provide support until it's a danger to them. We would do well to remember where we stand, and realize we ain't the big dog.
 
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