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If moderate republicans ever emerge from the chaos to the GOP, it will be long after Trump is gone and Trumpism is purged from the party by billionaires buying off the grifters who they will elect. The republican party is too important an institution in American binary politics and potentially too powerful to leave in the control of a bunch of lunatics and morons, and there are plenty of billionaires looking to harness it for their own ends. I doubt they will find the current white trash running the show useful but will still need to harness the hate and fear. Donald's shit stain on America will remain long after he is pacing a cell in a federal prison. One good thing though, most of America's assholes have all lined up on one side and by now have run out of excuses and can't look good people and patriots in the eye to explain themselves or their choices without lying. It is an attack on and an insult to the intelligence of all decent and patriotic Americans FFS. What excuses do they offer for supporting Putin or cutting funding for Ukraine, none of it makes any sense at all, it is not logical and serves America's enemies. What excuse do they offer for supporting Trump with 91 criminal indictments, the secret documents fiasco (Hilary's email sever) and the J6 sacking of the capitol.
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Veterans FLEE the Republican Party after GOP ABANDONS Democracy
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Even as Senator Tuberville continues his hold on senior military promotions, he is spreading disinformation about the military’s commitment to equal opportunity. Amanda Weinstein joins Ken to discuss Tuberville’s race-baiting rhetoric, and how veterans and military personnel are turning away from the Republican Party.
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McCarthy opens door to Speakership comeback amid Israel turmoil
Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) kept the door open to a comeback bid for the Speakership on Monday, outlining steps he believes the U.S. should take to respond to the crisis in Israel during a lengthy press conference — a presentation that was reminiscent of when he held the gavel just a week before.
The California Republican did not directly answer if he envisions a scenario in which he could be a candidate for Speaker; if he would accept a colleague nominating him for Speaker; or if he thinks he is the right person to lead the House in the current moment, considering his pro-Israel background.
“That’s a decision by the conference,” McCarthy said, relaying iterations of that multiple times.
He similarly deflected when asked if he would endorse either of the candidates running to replace him: House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio).
But McCarthy, who hours after being ousted as Speaker said he would not run for the post again, was not shy about reminding reporters that the vast majority of the House GOP conference voted to keep him in the top spot last week.
“The only thing I would ask my conference, you have 96 percent of the conference in one place and you’re allowing 4 percent, with the Democrats playing politics, that now have putting the doubt inside this body,” McCarthy said. “That is wrong.”
McCarthy’s apparent openness to returning to the Speakership — which he also indicated earlier in the morning to conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt — is just the latest curveball in the race to pick a new Speaker after his unprecedented ouster.
And for the former Speaker — who gained control of the gavel in January after a four-day, 15-ballot floor election saga — it would be his biggest comeback yet.
His openness, though, marks a reversal. Hours after being ousted from the Speakership, McCarthy took himself out of the running.
“I will not run for Speaker again. I’ll have the conference pick somebody else,” McCarthy said in a press conference last week.
House Republicans are scheduled to have a closed-door meeting Monday night, a candidate forum Tuesday and an internal vote on a nominee Wednesday. The conference would then take that nomination to the floor to put up against House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.).
But lawmakers returned to Washington with increased urgency to elect a new Speaker on Monday after war broke out in Israel over the weekend. Hamas, an Iranian-backed terrorist organization, launched a surprise attack on Israel on Saturday, which has already led to more than 1,000 deaths and more than 100 hostages being held by Hamas.
Several House GOP lawmakers — including Reps. John Duarte (R-Calif.), Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) and Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) — have suggested that McCarthy return as Speaker, and the outbreak of war in Israel has further fueled those calls.
Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.), who attended McCarthy’s press conference, echoed that.
“I believe he’s the right person to lead. I said yesterday on CNN that he should be reinstated as Speaker. I believe that,” Lawler said.
Several lawmakers have said that neither Scalise nor Jordan have the support necessary to become Speaker, prompting fears of a drawn-out process and a deadlock — and perhaps giving an opening for McCarthy. Both men have racked up endorsements, but neither have emerged as a front-runner.
“Does anybody have the votes? No,” Lawler said of the Speakership race.
It is unclear, though, how McCarthy could secure enough support from House Republicans to take hold of the gavel again given the opposition from the eight GOP lawmakers who joined with Democrats to oust him last week. Any Speaker will have to earn the support of a majority of GOP lawmakers on the House floor — currently a threshold of 217 members, assuming all members of the House are present and voting.
Without a Speaker, the House is unable to conduct any legislative business in support of Israel, one of the U.S.’s closest allies — a reality that is putting pressure on lawmakers to elect a top lawmaker as quickly as possible.
Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) is currently serving as Speaker pro tempore, but the general consensus is that his authority in the role is limited. House Democrats argue that McHenry can do little else but oversee the election of a new Speaker.
“Unfortunately, the House can do nothing without a Speaker,” McCarthy told reporters when asked about what action the House can take with the Speakership vacant.
“I could be upset with eight, but I could be upset with every single Democrat as well,” he continued. “They both made the same decision, a political decision, instead of putting America first.”
But McCarthy argued that McHenry may be able to oversee passage of a House resolution even before there is a newly elected Speaker.
“I don’t understand why the [Speaker pro tempore] couldn’t lead as well. We should have a resolution on the floor condemning what’s taking place so the rest of the world understands,” McCarthy said.
House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas) on Sunday said he is working with Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), the panel’s ranking member, on a resolution condemning Hamas for its actions over the weekend.
McCarthy pointed to his pro-Israel credentials during Monday’s press conference: He addressed Israel’s Knesset in May, becoming just the second Speaker ever to deliver a speech before the legislative body, and he welcomed Israeli President Isaac Herzog to the Capitol in July.
On Monday, he presented a framework for the U.S. to support Israel amid the current conflict, which includes rescuing American hostages, refreezing the $6 billion in Iranian funds the White House unfroze earlier this year and demanding the leader of Hamas’s extradition.
McCaul emphasized the importance of getting a Speaker elected so the House can conduct business in support of Israel.
“We have to get a Speaker elected this week so we can get things on the floor like replenishing the Iron Dome, get a resolution that ranking member Meeks and I have been working on, [a] bipartisan resolution condemning Hamas for what they have done to Israel,” he told CNN’s “State of the Union” in an interview.
“We want to get that on the floor by unanimous consent, whether or not we have a Speaker in place, because I think we cannot wait. We have to get that message out as soon as possible,” he added.
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McCarthy opens door to Speakership comeback amid Israel turmoil
Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) kept the door open to a comeback bid for the Speakership on Monday, outlining steps he believes the U.S. should take to respond to the crisis in Israel during a lengthy press conference — a presentation that was reminiscent of when he held the gavel just a week before.
The California Republican did not directly answer if he envisions a scenario in which he could be a candidate for Speaker; if he would accept a colleague nominating him for Speaker; or if he thinks he is the right person to lead the House in the current moment, considering his pro-Israel background.
“That’s a decision by the conference,” McCarthy said, relaying iterations of that multiple times.
He similarly deflected when asked if he would endorse either of the candidates running to replace him: House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio).
But McCarthy, who hours after being ousted as Speaker said he would not run for the post again, was not shy about reminding reporters that the vast majority of the House GOP conference voted to keep him in the top spot last week.
“The only thing I would ask my conference, you have 96 percent of the conference in one place and you’re allowing 4 percent, with the Democrats playing politics, that now have putting the doubt inside this body,” McCarthy said. “That is wrong.”
McCarthy’s apparent openness to returning to the Speakership — which he also indicated earlier in the morning to conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt — is just the latest curveball in the race to pick a new Speaker after his unprecedented ouster.
And for the former Speaker — who gained control of the gavel in January after a four-day, 15-ballot floor election saga — it would be his biggest comeback yet.
His openness, though, marks a reversal. Hours after being ousted from the Speakership, McCarthy took himself out of the running.
“I will not run for Speaker again. I’ll have the conference pick somebody else,” McCarthy said in a press conference last week.
House Republicans are scheduled to have a closed-door meeting Monday night, a candidate forum Tuesday and an internal vote on a nominee Wednesday. The conference would then take that nomination to the floor to put up against House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.).
But lawmakers returned to Washington with increased urgency to elect a new Speaker on Monday after war broke out in Israel over the weekend. Hamas, an Iranian-backed terrorist organization, launched a surprise attack on Israel on Saturday, which has already led to more than 1,000 deaths and more than 100 hostages being held by Hamas.
Several House GOP lawmakers — including Reps. John Duarte (R-Calif.), Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) and Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) — have suggested that McCarthy return as Speaker, and the outbreak of war in Israel has further fueled those calls.
Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.), who attended McCarthy’s press conference, echoed that.
“I believe he’s the right person to lead. I said yesterday on CNN that he should be reinstated as Speaker. I believe that,” Lawler said.
Several lawmakers have said that neither Scalise nor Jordan have the support necessary to become Speaker, prompting fears of a drawn-out process and a deadlock — and perhaps giving an opening for McCarthy. Both men have racked up endorsements, but neither have emerged as a front-runner.
“Does anybody have the votes? No,” Lawler said of the Speakership race.
It is unclear, though, how McCarthy could secure enough support from House Republicans to take hold of the gavel again given the opposition from the eight GOP lawmakers who joined with Democrats to oust him last week. Any Speaker will have to earn the support of a majority of GOP lawmakers on the House floor — currently a threshold of 217 members, assuming all members of the House are present and voting.
Without a Speaker, the House is unable to conduct any legislative business in support of Israel, one of the U.S.’s closest allies — a reality that is putting pressure on lawmakers to elect a top lawmaker as quickly as possible.
Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) is currently serving as Speaker pro tempore, but the general consensus is that his authority in the role is limited. House Democrats argue that McHenry can do little else but oversee the election of a new Speaker.
“Unfortunately, the House can do nothing without a Speaker,” McCarthy told reporters when asked about what action the House can take with the Speakership vacant.
“I could be upset with eight, but I could be upset with every single Democrat as well,” he continued. “They both made the same decision, a political decision, instead of putting America first.”
But McCarthy argued that McHenry may be able to oversee passage of a House resolution even before there is a newly elected Speaker.
“I don’t understand why the [Speaker pro tempore] couldn’t lead as well. We should have a resolution on the floor condemning what’s taking place so the rest of the world understands,” McCarthy said.
House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas) on Sunday said he is working with Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), the panel’s ranking member, on a resolution condemning Hamas for its actions over the weekend.
McCarthy pointed to his pro-Israel credentials during Monday’s press conference: He addressed Israel’s Knesset in May, becoming just the second Speaker ever to deliver a speech before the legislative body, and he welcomed Israeli President Isaac Herzog to the Capitol in July.
On Monday, he presented a framework for the U.S. to support Israel amid the current conflict, which includes rescuing American hostages, refreezing the $6 billion in Iranian funds the White House unfroze earlier this year and demanding the leader of Hamas’s extradition.
McCaul emphasized the importance of getting a Speaker elected so the House can conduct business in support of Israel.
“We have to get a Speaker elected this week so we can get things on the floor like replenishing the Iron Dome, get a resolution that ranking member Meeks and I have been working on, [a] bipartisan resolution condemning Hamas for what they have done to Israel,” he told CNN’s “State of the Union” in an interview.
“We want to get that on the floor by unanimous consent, whether or not we have a Speaker in place, because I think we cannot wait. We have to get that message out as soon as possible,” he added.
McCarthy opens door to Speakership comeback amid Israel turmoil
Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) kept the door open to a comeback bid for the Speakership on Monday, outlining steps he believes the U.S. should take to respond to the crisis in Israel duri…
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Any aid to Israel will include keeping the government open and aid to Ukraine, first they need a speaker and if they can't get their shit together on one, it only takes a half dozen republicans to support a democratic or compromise speaker and a deal to get shit done like funding the government with aid to Israel and Ukraine.Bringing back Coke Classic?
McCarthy opens door to Speakership comeback amid Israel turmoil
Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) kept the door open to a comeback bid for the Speakership on Monday, outlining steps he believes the U.S. should take to respond to the crisis in Israel during a lengthy press conference — a presentation that was reminiscent of when he held the gavel just a week before.
The California Republican did not directly answer if he envisions a scenario in which he could be a candidate for Speaker; if he would accept a colleague nominating him for Speaker; or if he thinks he is the right person to lead the House in the current moment, considering his pro-Israel background.
“That’s a decision by the conference,” McCarthy said, relaying iterations of that multiple times.
He similarly deflected when asked if he would endorse either of the candidates running to replace him: House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio).
But McCarthy, who hours after being ousted as Speaker said he would not run for the post again, was not shy about reminding reporters that the vast majority of the House GOP conference voted to keep him in the top spot last week.
“The only thing I would ask my conference, you have 96 percent of the conference in one place and you’re allowing 4 percent, with the Democrats playing politics, that now have putting the doubt inside this body,” McCarthy said. “That is wrong.”
McCarthy’s apparent openness to returning to the Speakership — which he also indicated earlier in the morning to conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt — is just the latest curveball in the race to pick a new Speaker after his unprecedented ouster.
And for the former Speaker — who gained control of the gavel in January after a four-day, 15-ballot floor election saga — it would be his biggest comeback yet.
His openness, though, marks a reversal. Hours after being ousted from the Speakership, McCarthy took himself out of the running.
“I will not run for Speaker again. I’ll have the conference pick somebody else,” McCarthy said in a press conference last week.
House Republicans are scheduled to have a closed-door meeting Monday night, a candidate forum Tuesday and an internal vote on a nominee Wednesday. The conference would then take that nomination to the floor to put up against House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.).
But lawmakers returned to Washington with increased urgency to elect a new Speaker on Monday after war broke out in Israel over the weekend. Hamas, an Iranian-backed terrorist organization, launched a surprise attack on Israel on Saturday, which has already led to more than 1,000 deaths and more than 100 hostages being held by Hamas.
Several House GOP lawmakers — including Reps. John Duarte (R-Calif.), Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) and Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) — have suggested that McCarthy return as Speaker, and the outbreak of war in Israel has further fueled those calls.
Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.), who attended McCarthy’s press conference, echoed that.
“I believe he’s the right person to lead. I said yesterday on CNN that he should be reinstated as Speaker. I believe that,” Lawler said.
Several lawmakers have said that neither Scalise nor Jordan have the support necessary to become Speaker, prompting fears of a drawn-out process and a deadlock — and perhaps giving an opening for McCarthy. Both men have racked up endorsements, but neither have emerged as a front-runner.
“Does anybody have the votes? No,” Lawler said of the Speakership race.
It is unclear, though, how McCarthy could secure enough support from House Republicans to take hold of the gavel again given the opposition from the eight GOP lawmakers who joined with Democrats to oust him last week. Any Speaker will have to earn the support of a majority of GOP lawmakers on the House floor — currently a threshold of 217 members, assuming all members of the House are present and voting.
Without a Speaker, the House is unable to conduct any legislative business in support of Israel, one of the U.S.’s closest allies — a reality that is putting pressure on lawmakers to elect a top lawmaker as quickly as possible.
Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) is currently serving as Speaker pro tempore, but the general consensus is that his authority in the role is limited. House Democrats argue that McHenry can do little else but oversee the election of a new Speaker.
“Unfortunately, the House can do nothing without a Speaker,” McCarthy told reporters when asked about what action the House can take with the Speakership vacant.
“I could be upset with eight, but I could be upset with every single Democrat as well,” he continued. “They both made the same decision, a political decision, instead of putting America first.”
But McCarthy argued that McHenry may be able to oversee passage of a House resolution even before there is a newly elected Speaker.
“I don’t understand why the [Speaker pro tempore] couldn’t lead as well. We should have a resolution on the floor condemning what’s taking place so the rest of the world understands,” McCarthy said.
House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas) on Sunday said he is working with Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), the panel’s ranking member, on a resolution condemning Hamas for its actions over the weekend.
McCarthy pointed to his pro-Israel credentials during Monday’s press conference: He addressed Israel’s Knesset in May, becoming just the second Speaker ever to deliver a speech before the legislative body, and he welcomed Israeli President Isaac Herzog to the Capitol in July.
On Monday, he presented a framework for the U.S. to support Israel amid the current conflict, which includes rescuing American hostages, refreezing the $6 billion in Iranian funds the White House unfroze earlier this year and demanding the leader of Hamas’s extradition.
McCaul emphasized the importance of getting a Speaker elected so the House can conduct business in support of Israel.
“We have to get a Speaker elected this week so we can get things on the floor like replenishing the Iron Dome, get a resolution that ranking member Meeks and I have been working on, [a] bipartisan resolution condemning Hamas for what they have done to Israel,” he told CNN’s “State of the Union” in an interview.
“We want to get that on the floor by unanimous consent, whether or not we have a Speaker in place, because I think we cannot wait. We have to get that message out as soon as possible,” he added.
McCarthy opens door to Speakership comeback amid Israel turmoil
Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) kept the door open to a comeback bid for the Speakership on Monday, outlining steps he believes the U.S. should take to respond to the crisis in Israel duri…
Republican maliciousness and indifference have been endangering US national and allied security for a while now, ever since Trump and we have seen several recent examples of republicans abusing their positions to attack the US military, from Trump to Tuberville, to Gaetz and MTG and a whole host of republican miscreants. The magat propaganda is identical to the Russian propaganda and they willingly spread Russian disinformation and talking points. BTW they are the same bunch who tried to overthrow the US constitution and government because they lost an election and got election money and help from the Russians. Maybe there should be another kind of crime, halfway between mere stupid and treason, America has a fifth column at the command of Russia through Trump.
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If Trump tripped on camera and went for a tumble it would be all Biden's fault and probably an assassination attempt!
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it prolly would be......biden put that cable there.....assassination attempt, election interference...etc etc etc
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House GOP debates ditching ‘motion to vacate’ rule that unseated McCarthy
The rule that allowed Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) to single-handedly call for a vote ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has become a key issue for Republicans as they grapple over who should replace him.
Some are intent on changing the rule, known as a “motion to vacate,” so a handful of House Republicans can never again join with the minority to force a Speaker out and throw the House into chaos. But others who fought for the single-member threshold are defending it.
A group of 45 House Republicans — just over a fifth of the GOP conference — signed on to an open letter last week calling for changes to the “motion to vacate” rule, expressing frustration with the eight GOP lawmakers who joined with Democrats to remove McCarthy.
“It is our responsibility to identify the right person at this moment to lead us into the future to achieve the conservative policy objectives that we and the American people all share,” the members wrote. “We cannot allow our majority to be dictated to by the alliance between the chaos caucus and the minority party that will do nothing more than guarantee the failure of our next Speaker.”
“The injustice we all witnessed cannot go unaddressed — lest we bear responsibility for the consequences that follow. Our Conference must address fundamental changes to the structure of our majority to ensure success for the American people,” the letter said.
Signatories included Rep. David Joyce (R-Ohio), chairman of the moderate Republican Governance Group, and Rep. Dusty Johnson (R-N.D.), chairman of the “pragmatic” Main Street Caucus, which put out a similar statement expressing skepticism about the motion to vacate earlier in the week.
“The ability for one person to vacate the Speaker of the House will keep a chokehold on this body through 2024,” the Main Street Caucus wrote in a statement Wednesday morning. “Personal politics should never again be used to trump the will of 96 percent of House conservatives. Any candidate for Speaker must explain to us how what happened on Tuesday will never happen again.”
What exactly the new standard should be, however, is unclear.
Rep. Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) has suggested raising the threshold to 50 percent of the House Republican Conference.
“The person who wants my vote for Speaker must commit to reforming the Motion to Vacate,” he said.
Calls to change the rule, though, run up against the demands of hard-line conservatives who pushed McCarthy to adopt the one-person threshold in January as a condition of supporting him for Speaker.
Even some who didn’t vote for McCarthy’s ouster nonetheless support keeping the single-member threshold.
“While I understand some of my colleagues are frustrated over invocation of the Motion to Vacate last week against Speaker Kevin McCarthy — a move I strongly opposed, the rule should remain. It’s an historic, institutional, & important tool for individual members to exercise their right to represent constituents and not be steamrolled by the establishment,” Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) posted Friday on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
Club for Growth, an influential outside conservative group, also warned against certain changes to the standard.
“Club for Growth will oppose any candidate for Speaker of the House who supports a return to Pelosi’s rules, especially her rule change against vacating the chair which stood for more than 200 years,” the group’s president David McIntosh posted on X last week. “The House was meant to act as a democratic body, not at the whims of one person’s self-interested agenda.”
The House had long had a one-person threshold to force a vote on ousting the Speaker. The move had not been attempted for a century, though, until former Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) made a motion in 2015 against then-Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). While the move failed, it is widely thought to have contributed to Boehner’s resignation later that year.
When Democrats took over the chamber, the House rules changed to only allow the motion to vacate if directed by a party caucus or conference.
Republicans, when they took over this year, had aimed to change the rule again — but instead of reverting back to the one-member threshold, Republicans had drafted rules to allow the motion if five members joined.
But the 20 Republicans who withheld support for McCarthy at the beginning of the year demanded the threshold be restored to one member — a concession that McCarthy eventually made in order to secure the Speaker’s gavel.
Both candidates for House Speaker — House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) — have said in various interviews that the decision on the motion to vacate threshold should be resolved within the House Republican Conference.
Changing the standard would require changing the House rules with a floor vote.
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So do the Democrats get to vote? Maybe they think the one person rule should not change this close to an election.
The rule that allowed Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) to single-handedly call for a vote ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has become a key issue for Republicans as they grapple over who should replace him.
Some are intent on changing the rule, known as a “motion to vacate,” so a handful of House Republicans can never again join with the minority to force a Speaker out and throw the House into chaos. But others who fought for the single-member threshold are defending it.
A group of 45 House Republicans — just over a fifth of the GOP conference — signed on to an open letter last week calling for changes to the “motion to vacate” rule, expressing frustration with the eight GOP lawmakers who joined with Democrats to remove McCarthy.
“It is our responsibility to identify the right person at this moment to lead us into the future to achieve the conservative policy objectives that we and the American people all share,” the members wrote. “We cannot allow our majority to be dictated to by the alliance between the chaos caucus and the minority party that will do nothing more than guarantee the failure of our next Speaker.”
“The injustice we all witnessed cannot go unaddressed — lest we bear responsibility for the consequences that follow. Our Conference must address fundamental changes to the structure of our majority to ensure success for the American people,” the letter said.
Signatories included Rep. David Joyce (R-Ohio), chairman of the moderate Republican Governance Group, and Rep. Dusty Johnson (R-N.D.), chairman of the “pragmatic” Main Street Caucus, which put out a similar statement expressing skepticism about the motion to vacate earlier in the week.
“The ability for one person to vacate the Speaker of the House will keep a chokehold on this body through 2024,” the Main Street Caucus wrote in a statement Wednesday morning. “Personal politics should never again be used to trump the will of 96 percent of House conservatives. Any candidate for Speaker must explain to us how what happened on Tuesday will never happen again.”
What exactly the new standard should be, however, is unclear.
Rep. Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) has suggested raising the threshold to 50 percent of the House Republican Conference.
“The person who wants my vote for Speaker must commit to reforming the Motion to Vacate,” he said.
Calls to change the rule, though, run up against the demands of hard-line conservatives who pushed McCarthy to adopt the one-person threshold in January as a condition of supporting him for Speaker.
Even some who didn’t vote for McCarthy’s ouster nonetheless support keeping the single-member threshold.
“While I understand some of my colleagues are frustrated over invocation of the Motion to Vacate last week against Speaker Kevin McCarthy — a move I strongly opposed, the rule should remain. It’s an historic, institutional, & important tool for individual members to exercise their right to represent constituents and not be steamrolled by the establishment,” Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) posted Friday on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
Club for Growth, an influential outside conservative group, also warned against certain changes to the standard.
“Club for Growth will oppose any candidate for Speaker of the House who supports a return to Pelosi’s rules, especially her rule change against vacating the chair which stood for more than 200 years,” the group’s president David McIntosh posted on X last week. “The House was meant to act as a democratic body, not at the whims of one person’s self-interested agenda.”
The House had long had a one-person threshold to force a vote on ousting the Speaker. The move had not been attempted for a century, though, until former Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) made a motion in 2015 against then-Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). While the move failed, it is widely thought to have contributed to Boehner’s resignation later that year.
When Democrats took over the chamber, the House rules changed to only allow the motion to vacate if directed by a party caucus or conference.
Republicans, when they took over this year, had aimed to change the rule again — but instead of reverting back to the one-member threshold, Republicans had drafted rules to allow the motion if five members joined.
But the 20 Republicans who withheld support for McCarthy at the beginning of the year demanded the threshold be restored to one member — a concession that McCarthy eventually made in order to secure the Speaker’s gavel.
Both candidates for House Speaker — House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) — have said in various interviews that the decision on the motion to vacate threshold should be resolved within the House Republican Conference.
Changing the standard would require changing the House rules with a floor vote.
House GOP debates ditching ‘motion to vacate’ rule that unseated McCarthy
The rule that allowed Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) to single-handedly call for a vote ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has become a key issue for Republicans as they grapple over who should re…
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So do the Democrats get to vote? Maybe they think the one person rule should not change this close to an election.
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I didn’t know Meadows had a hard-on for Boehner.House GOP debates ditching ‘motion to vacate’ rule that unseated McCarthy
The rule that allowed Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) to single-handedly call for a vote ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has become a key issue for Republicans as they grapple over who should replace him.
Some are intent on changing the rule, known as a “motion to vacate,” so a handful of House Republicans can never again join with the minority to force a Speaker out and throw the House into chaos. But others who fought for the single-member threshold are defending it.
A group of 45 House Republicans — just over a fifth of the GOP conference — signed on to an open letter last week calling for changes to the “motion to vacate” rule, expressing frustration with the eight GOP lawmakers who joined with Democrats to remove McCarthy.
“It is our responsibility to identify the right person at this moment to lead us into the future to achieve the conservative policy objectives that we and the American people all share,” the members wrote. “We cannot allow our majority to be dictated to by the alliance between the chaos caucus and the minority party that will do nothing more than guarantee the failure of our next Speaker.”
“The injustice we all witnessed cannot go unaddressed — lest we bear responsibility for the consequences that follow. Our Conference must address fundamental changes to the structure of our majority to ensure success for the American people,” the letter said.
Signatories included Rep. David Joyce (R-Ohio), chairman of the moderate Republican Governance Group, and Rep. Dusty Johnson (R-N.D.), chairman of the “pragmatic” Main Street Caucus, which put out a similar statement expressing skepticism about the motion to vacate earlier in the week.
“The ability for one person to vacate the Speaker of the House will keep a chokehold on this body through 2024,” the Main Street Caucus wrote in a statement Wednesday morning. “Personal politics should never again be used to trump the will of 96 percent of House conservatives. Any candidate for Speaker must explain to us how what happened on Tuesday will never happen again.”
What exactly the new standard should be, however, is unclear.
Rep. Carlos Gimenez (R-Fla.) has suggested raising the threshold to 50 percent of the House Republican Conference.
“The person who wants my vote for Speaker must commit to reforming the Motion to Vacate,” he said.
Calls to change the rule, though, run up against the demands of hard-line conservatives who pushed McCarthy to adopt the one-person threshold in January as a condition of supporting him for Speaker.
Even some who didn’t vote for McCarthy’s ouster nonetheless support keeping the single-member threshold.
“While I understand some of my colleagues are frustrated over invocation of the Motion to Vacate last week against Speaker Kevin McCarthy — a move I strongly opposed, the rule should remain. It’s an historic, institutional, & important tool for individual members to exercise their right to represent constituents and not be steamrolled by the establishment,” Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) posted Friday on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
Club for Growth, an influential outside conservative group, also warned against certain changes to the standard.
“Club for Growth will oppose any candidate for Speaker of the House who supports a return to Pelosi’s rules, especially her rule change against vacating the chair which stood for more than 200 years,” the group’s president David McIntosh posted on X last week. “The House was meant to act as a democratic body, not at the whims of one person’s self-interested agenda.”
The House had long had a one-person threshold to force a vote on ousting the Speaker. The move had not been attempted for a century, though, until former Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) made a motion in 2015 against then-Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). While the move failed, it is widely thought to have contributed to Boehner’s resignation later that year.
When Democrats took over the chamber, the House rules changed to only allow the motion to vacate if directed by a party caucus or conference.
Republicans, when they took over this year, had aimed to change the rule again — but instead of reverting back to the one-member threshold, Republicans had drafted rules to allow the motion if five members joined.
But the 20 Republicans who withheld support for McCarthy at the beginning of the year demanded the threshold be restored to one member — a concession that McCarthy eventually made in order to secure the Speaker’s gavel.
Both candidates for House Speaker — House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) — have said in various interviews that the decision on the motion to vacate threshold should be resolved within the House Republican Conference.
Changing the standard would require changing the House rules with a floor vote.
House GOP debates ditching ‘motion to vacate’ rule that unseated McCarthy
The rule that allowed Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) to single-handedly call for a vote ousting Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) has become a key issue for Republicans as they grapple over who should re…
So do the Democrats get to vote? Maybe they think the one person rule should not change this close to an election.
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about Trump being worried about another candidate....
OldMedUser
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That's his schtick and all he knows so just par for the course.
Even the magats got to be getting tired of his same old, same old.
