TRUMP CONVICTED

Fogdog

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If Trump is disqualified, some red states will try to do the same with Biden, the SCOTUS must set national standards and establish rules. The 14th is just as valid as the 2nd or the first and the intentions of the framers were clear from historic documentation and there was more of that preserved after the civil war than during the founding. The great thing about all these cases including NY and the revelation of Trump's finances is we should not have to wait long for a resolution. If he loses the appeal and stay on immunity, then Chutkan has his ass, on schedule or close.
Pay lawyers and filing fees and anybody can try to do anything. Red states can try to do the same with Biden but their cases have no merit. Just look at how far Trump managed to go in this situation, where we have him in text and in video agitating for an insurrection on Jan 6. We have him in our sights, dead to rights, guilty as all hell and STILL, given the funds he has at his disposal, he files frivolous appeal after frivolous appeal. He loses every time but he until he either runs out of money or at long last, runs out of appeals, he's entitled under the law to do as he is doing.

So, Red states can try to take Biden off their ballots and Biden's campaign can fight it. The court cases will drag on and on, but the states' cases have no merit. Eventually Biden will prevail but in fact, his standing with the public will be eroded and the only people who can be said to have won are the lawyers when they get paid.

Nobody wins in a war, which this is in a figurative sense. Everybody suffers except the lawyers in this instance or the arms dealers in a real war. This is democracy, we fight in the courts < and in elections > instead of on the field.
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Pay lawyers and filing fees and anybody can try to do anything. Red states can try to do the same with Biden but their cases have no merit. Just look at how far Trump managed to go in this situation, where we have him in text and in video agitating for an insurrection on Jan 6. We have him in our sights, dead to rights, guilty as all hell and STILL, given the funds he has at his disposal, he files frivolous appeal after frivolous appeal. He loses every time but he until he either runs out of money or at long last, runs out of appeals, he's entitled under the law to do as he is doing.

So, Red states can try to take Biden off their ballots and Biden's campaign can fight it. The court cases will drag on and on, but the states' cases have no merit. Eventually Biden will prevail but in fact, his standing with the public will be eroded and the only people who can be said to have won are the lawyers when they get paid.

Nobody wins in a war, which this is in a figurative sense. Everybody suffers except the lawyers in this instance or the arms dealers in a real war. This is democracy, we fight in the courts < and in elections > instead of on the field.
To the last … and in social media.

(add) That man’s (loss of) money may change the equation when he cannot even pay his bush-league counsel to keep seeking delays andor dismissals.
Waiting for news of that has me nibbling strong cheese and watching with baited breath.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Pay lawyers and filing fees and anybody can try to do anything. Red states can try to do the same with Biden but their cases have no merit. Just look at how far Trump managed to go in this situation, where we have him in text and in video agitating for an insurrection on Jan 6. We have him in our sights, dead to rights, guilty as all hell and STILL, given the funds he has at his disposal, he files frivolous appeal after frivolous appeal. He loses every time but he until he either runs out of money or at long last, runs out of appeals, he's entitled under the law to do as he is doing.

So, Red states can try to take Biden off their ballots and Biden's campaign can fight it. The court cases will drag on and on, but the states' cases have no merit. Eventually Biden will prevail but in fact, his standing with the public will be eroded and the only people who can be said to have won are the lawyers when they get paid.

Nobody wins in a war, which this is in a figurative sense. Everybody suffers except the lawyers in this instance or the arms dealers in a real war. This is democracy, we fight in the courts < and in elections > instead of on the field.
Don't forget Donald is also setting precedents, lots of them and is keeping the SCOTUS busy settling untested constitutional issues because nobody anticipated such an utter asshole becoming president!
 

Fogdog

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To the last … and in social media.

(add) That man’s (loss of) money may change the equation when he cannot even pay his bush-league counsel to keep seeking delays andor dismissals.
Waiting for news of that has me nibbling strong cheese and watching with baited breath.
Its my guess that his so-called small donors are coming from a few very wealthy sources who wash it clean before sending it in massive amounts in small donations to his PAC, too small to require documentation. Like the scheme Saul used to wash Walter's cash by breaking it up into small donations for Jrs. GoFundme account. Putin would just have to twist a few oligarch arms and Trump's PAC will be flush enough to last him decades.

 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Its my guess that his so-called small donors are coming from a few very wealthy sources who wash it clean before sending it in massive amounts in small donations to his PAC, too small to require documentation. Like the scheme Saul used to wash Walter's cash by breaking it up into small donations for Jrs. GoFundme account. Putin would just have to twist a few oligarch arms and Trump's PAC will be flush enough to last him decades.

You could be underestimating how many morons there are in America with those small donor numbers... :lol:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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'His case looks terrible': Trump reportedly worried about SCOTUS ballot ruling

Trump's legal team is petitioning SCOTUS to overturn a Colorado ruling barring him from the state primary ballot, citing the 14th Amendment. They argue the ruling disenfranchises voters and claim it's unconstitutional election interference. The Supreme Court has yet to decide on hearing the case.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think he is onto something, possibly revealing one way big dark money is distorting the democratic process in this country.
I'm sure there are no shortage of journalists looking into the possibility, the FBI too. Guys like Elon might dump cash on Trump, but is it a risk worth taking? Whatever Trump can do to cheat he will, even if he thinks he won't get away with it apparently, like his constant lies, I guess.
 

printer

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Trump pushes to hold Jack Smith in contempt, block further filings in Jan. 6 case
Former President Trump’s legal team asked a judge to hold special counsel Jack Smith and his team of prosecutors in the election interference case in contempt, arguing they should also be fined after activity in the case was suspended pending his appeal.

The aggressive move by Trump comes as the parties are in dispute over the extent activity in the case was paused as the former president appeals a decision from U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan rejecting his claims he should be immune from prosecution given his prior role as president.

A December order from Chutkan “stays any further proceedings that would move this case towards trial or impose additional burdens of litigation on Defendant.”

But during that time period, prosecutors have asked the Supreme Court to weigh the matter, shared discovery materials and asked Chutkan to bar Trump from making certain arguments during trial.

“The prosecutors repeatedly engaged in that exact conduct, disobeying the Stay Order at least three times in just two weeks,” Trump’s attorneys wrote in the filing.

“The prosecutors have no justification for their misconduct.”

While proceedings in the case are stayed during the course of Trump’s appeal, it’s not clear the order blocks prosecutors from producing discovery or filing new motions — actions Trump is not required to respond to while the stay remains in place.

Still, Trump argues that in being relieved of any obligation to respond, prosecutors are able to voice arguments without pushback from Trump, something he argues is designed to hurt his presidential campaign.

In seeking financial sanctions, Trump’s team asks prosecutors to cover the cost of his Thursday filing.

“The prosecutors should reimburse President Trump for all reasonable attorneys’ fees and other expenses that he has incurred responding to the prosecutor’s improper productions and filings,” they wrote.

The motion asks Chutkan to force prosecutors to justify why they should not be held in contempt or forced to withdraw their motions, as well as limit how they file motions in the case in the future.

“The Court should require that the prosecutors seek and obtain permission from the Court before submitting any filings or productions for the duration of the Stay Order to ensure that any further attempts to violate the Stay Order will be summarily denied,” Trump’s attorneys wrote.

Trump’s appeal is set to be weighed by the District of Columbia Circuit Court of Appeals in a hearing Tuesday.
 

ooof-da

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Habba has to be one of the worst lawyers i've ever seen.........



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Ya I mean SCOTUS is already on the ropes regarding the “trips and gifting” plus, if you look at the rationale of the move to overturn ROE, I would say this is a slam dunk the other way….a literal interpretation of the constitution. I almost think at times the amount of bullshit is perfectly equating to how far behind in the polls they are…. Or this is really just the mob now and the SC is just another political arm to be used by the majority of those appointed but this next vote on the 14th is gonna be pivotal not matter how you slice it.

now my tangent is in the wrong thread prolly.
 

printer

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New York AG asks judge to force Trump to pay $370M in fraud case
Former President Trump, his business and several top executives — including his adult sons — used “myriad deceptive schemes” to falsely inflate his net worth by billions, the New York attorney general’s office argued Friday in court filings ahead of closing remarks in his fraud trial next week.

“The conclusion that defendants intended to defraud when preparing and certifying Trump’s (statements of financial condition) is inescapable,” reads the state’s post-trial brief.

Trump’s statements of financial condition — documents that detail the value of the Trump Organization’s various assets — are at the heart of the attorney general’s case. The financial statements were sent to banks and insurers to secure loans and deals, which the state purports is evidence of fraud.

New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) asked the judge to force Trump to pay nearly $370 million as a penalty and to issue a lifetime ban on the former president and two top executives from doing real estate business in New York.

In their post-trial brief, Trump’s counsel repeated claims they made at trial — that banks wanted to work with the Trump Organization, did their due diligence and found no fraud.

“Errors or misstatements happen all the time in accounting, if there are no indicia of fraud such as concealment, forgery, or deceit, then there is no basis to determine that these SFCs are fraudulent, and any misstatements are just accidental errors,” the defense brief states.

Trump’s adult sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, who are also defendants in the case, urged the judge to dismiss the case against them. They claimed the attorney general failed to show they had “anything more than a peripheral knowledge or involvement in the creation, preparation or use” of their father’s financial statements.

“The record evidence and testimony adduced at trial conclusively establishes that the SFCs were prepared, in their entirety, by others at the company working in conjunction with the company’s long time outside accountants,” their lawyer, Clifford Robert, wrote in their joint post-trial brief.

Both sons distanced themselves from the financial statements in testimony during the trial, pointing the finger at the accountants and other executives who they said handled the documents more closely.

The attorney general’s office is seeking a five-year ban on the sons’ participation in the New York real estate industry.

Judge Arthur Engoron already found Trump and his co-defendants liable for fraud; the trial is addressing other claims, including conspiracy, insurance fraud and falsifying business records.

The briefs mark the final written arguments in the trial. The attorney general’s office and Trump’s legal team will make their closing arguments next week before the judge, who has said he hopes to issue a verdict by the end of this month.
 
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