Week 4, day 1 of flower....buds too small??

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Not sure why so much this and that on one plant.

Flushing / chopping , monstercropping , chopping some more and now leaching the medium for some arbitrary “ runoff “ reading.

Flowers were trying to setup and you interfered.

Also a topdress watered in will be somewhat quicker than a scoop of dry fertilizer…. Besides you didn’t have to “ switch “ anything with a topdressing. Plant pulls what it needs from the same feed. No magic involved - just feeding what it is already accustomed to.

I see a lot of growers overthink growing a plant - you gotta do this or you gotta add that nonsense. It seems to be uniform in health BUT it will never grow back the important leaves it needed.

You might be left with a popcorn plant after all.
I have been micromanaging the last scrog here, alot more than my past ones....tried so new things, didn't go so well...it was fine until I played with my nutrients...i remebr speaking with you when I was still veggin, when I first had the problem...
 
was 5.9 ph second to last feeding. Is what i read in your earlier post- we all want to help but we need good information- not contradictions.

When you lollipop before flower you should just hollow out the plant and remove everything under the widest part of the plant
And 6.3 would be better than 6.1 in flower- that .1 is more than you think
That was runoff bro...im.not contradicting myself. Reread the post, I'm being polite and saying what happened
 
was 5.9 ph second to last feeding. Is what i read in your earlier post- we all want to help but we need good information- not contradictions.

When you lollipop before flower you should just hollow out the plant and remove everything under the widest part of the plant
And 6.3 would be better than 6.1 in flower- that .1 is more than you think
I said it 5.5 this time, and second to last I was at 5.9, right after...I'll be fine, thank you for the help
 
I’ve never tested runoff and rarely have any but I think happy plants tend to have a clear runoff and sickly plants seem to have a lot of color.
My lava rock in bottom gives it color, but usually when in not lower than 5.9 or so, I'm good...I check it to make sure, just because I guess....something I learned and have always done...did it with hydro..
 

Budzbuddha

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I would target ph more to 6.5 - this allows for any drift - if it does then you are at least within range and not starting at the minimum edge of ph range.

It may seem like - what does it matter 6.1 or 6.5 but you are trying to have all elements available. 6.1 you start to possibly lose calcium uptake.

This is why if you control what’s going in ( PH and PPM ) then there is zero reason to check runoff. Besides when you check runoff - are you doing a 10% or 20% runoff , etc. ? Because any number pulled will be different based on that alone. Runoff is there to check high salt buildup ( overfeed ) and some obvious plant PH issues. Other than that it really isn’t necessary in a good living soil.

What other plant needs runoff checked ?

GL

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I’ve never tested runoff and rarely have any but I think happy plants tend to have a clear runoff and sickly plants seem to have a lot of color.
I have plenty of run off...plants should water through, cleanes crap outta there, old dried up fert, no build up of access sediment, etc, in my opinion**** I should say...about a gallon goes in, say maybe a 1/3 or so should come out...depends on your drainage,aeration and medium is set up. Or choir, or coco pellets, etc. In my opinion friend...I don't have much runoff when I'm still in small pot before transplant, not wanting to drown small root structures, longer to dry, etc...but that's it...for me that is..
 
I would target ph more to 6.5 - this allows for any drift - if it does then you are at least within range and not starting at the minimum edge of ph range.

It may seem like - what does it matter 6.1 or 6.5 but you are trying to have all elements available. 6.1 you start to possibly lose calcium uptake.

This is why if you control what’s going in ( PH and PPM ) then there is zero reason to check runoff. Besides when you check runoff - are you doing a 10% or 20% runoff , etc. ? Because any number pulled will be different based on that alone. Runoff is there to check high salt buildup ( overfeed ) and some obvious plant PH issues. Other than that it really isn’t necessary in a good living soil.

What other plant needs runoff checked ?

GL

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This is what I was just talking with another guy about, or what my response was...it goes with this one as well, I feel..
 
I would target ph more to 6.5 - this allows for any drift - if it does then you are at least within range and not starting at the minimum edge of ph range.

It may seem like - what does it matter 6.1 or 6.5 but you are trying to have all elements available. 6.1 you start to possibly lose calcium uptake.

This is why if you control what’s going in ( PH and PPM ) then there is zero reason to check runoff. Besides when you check runoff - are you doing a 10% or 20% runoff , etc. ? Because any number pulled will be different based on that alone. Runoff is there to check high salt buildup ( overfeed ) and some obvious plant PH issues. Other than that it really isn’t necessary in a good living soil.

What other plant needs runoff checked ?

GL

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I will shoot 6.5...that makes sense...I always felt paranoid in my tight range I was in anyway, so I agree with you
 
I would target ph more to 6.5 - this allows for any drift - if it does then you are at least within range and not starting at the minimum edge of ph range.

It may seem like - what does it matter 6.1 or 6.5 but you are trying to have all elements available. 6.1 you start to possibly lose calcium uptake.

This is why if you control what’s going in ( PH and PPM ) then there is zero reason to check runoff. Besides when you check runoff - are you doing a 10% or 20% runoff , etc. ? Because any number pulled will be different based on that alone. Runoff is there to check high salt buildup ( overfeed ) and some obvious plant PH issues. Other than that it really isn’t necessary in a good living soil.

What other plant needs runoff checked ?

GL

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Yes, your correct...if everything is in line and no bad symptoms, really no reason to do a check for illness(runoff test)...i had just become accustomed to it...I've got a wicked tester too brother, fresh tip on it 17072404516407206873794606491949.jpgas well, the mesh tip..
 

Budzbuddha

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Yes, your correct...if everything is in line and no bad symptoms, really no reason to do a check for illness(runoff test)...i had just become accustomed to it...I've got a wicked tester too brother, fresh tip on it View attachment 5368068as well, the mesh tip..
You might want to grab a bottle of PH tester solution to calibrate it properly ( no need for those powder packs that sometimes come with it ) - liquid is easier and ready to use. Grab a shotglass and test.

Then test meter regularly to see if it maintains calibration.

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You might want to grab a bottle of PH tester solution to calibrate it properly ( no need for those powder packs that sometimes come with it ) - liquid is easier and ready to use. Grab a shotglass and test.

Then test meter regularly to see if it maintains calibration.

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Question...think i can throw a hang bag, decomp, for some extra carbon dioxide?? Have a nice exhaust set up, probe and triggers, also a passive intake hole smaller than exhaust port(my fresh air)**just want to increase if able during flower??17073197224058605414229424991610.jpg
 

Phytoplankton

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Don't chase soil runoff!!! It'll drive you crazy, and accomplish nothing! In most any commercial potting soil the PH will be fine. PH the input water. And, as been said, you took WAAAY to many leaves off and left the plant with no power source to build buds. You can put all the nutes you want into the system, but if there's not enough photsynthesis taking place, you can't build big buds.
 

Phytoplankton

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Question...think i can throw a hang bag, decomp, for some extra carbon dioxide?? Have a nice exhaust set up, probe and triggers, also a passive intake hole smaller than exhaust port(my fresh air)**just want to increase if able during flower??View attachment 5368358
Unless your tent is sealed, it's a waste of time, also at 77 degrees it's not warm enough for CO2 to be effective
 
Don't chase soil runoff!!! It'll drive you crazy, and accomplish nothing! In most any commercial potting soil the PH will be fine. PH the input water. And, as been said, you took WAAAY to many leaves off and left the plant with no power source to build buds. You can put all the nutes you want into the system, but if there's not enough photsynthesis taking place, you can't build big buds.
I know, about the leaves, thanks....they were purposefully removed, explaining why in previous post. I agree with you, but not a newbie friend...tried something new, didn't go so well...I can bounce a plant back from heavy prune in less than two weeks, looks like nothing touched it, big scrogs, veg 4 months and fill tents with 2 plants, don't need 4... this is a small one. A project...anyway, I pruned to close to me flipping to flower, only gave it a week, and it had already slowed down from its fimming, so I was hit, and that's that...did u see it before I said it had gotten sick...was a beast
 
Don't chase soil runoff!!! It'll drive you crazy, and accomplish nothing! In most any commercial potting soil the PH will be fine. PH the input water. And, as been said, you took WAAAY to many leaves off and left the plant with no power source to build buds. You can put all the nutes you want into the system, but if there's not enough photsynthesis taking place, you can't build big buds.
Because I veg for a while, and don't always topdress after months go by, I check runoff to make sure I'm good...just something I do friend...I do agree chasing ph runoff can get hectic, and be a rabbit hole
 
Don't chase soil runoff!!! It'll drive you crazy, and accomplish nothing! In most any commercial potting soil the PH will be fine. PH the input water. And, as been said, you took WAAAY to many leaves off and left the plant with no power source to build buds. You can put all the nutes you want into the system, but if there's not enough photsynthesis taking place, you can't build big buds.
Also never said I was going to load up on nutes....asked about a decomp drip...
 
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